Can women be Elders? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T21:01:10Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/can-women-be-elders?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A886434&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIf we stop trying to allow th…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-02-27:916966:Comment:12395242010-02-27T22:30:40.814ZLester Demings Jrhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/lesterdemingsjr
<b>If we stop trying to allow the world to influence the church then we wouldn't have these issues.<br />
The feminist movement and women's liberation does not belong in the church.<br />
You slide down a slippery slope when you allow the women's liberation movement into the body of Christ, what next?<br />
Then you'll have the homomsexual movement in the church.<br />
Then you'll have every other movement in the church.<br />
God has his place.<br />
Man has his place.<br />
Woman have her place.<br />
People need to be where God has placed…</b>
<b>If we stop trying to allow the world to influence the church then we wouldn't have these issues.<br />
The feminist movement and women's liberation does not belong in the church.<br />
You slide down a slippery slope when you allow the women's liberation movement into the body of Christ, what next?<br />
Then you'll have the homomsexual movement in the church.<br />
Then you'll have every other movement in the church.<br />
God has his place.<br />
Man has his place.<br />
Woman have her place.<br />
People need to be where God has placed them and work where God has placed them.</b> Trust me I do plan on preachi…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-26:916966:Comment:8884492009-07-26T21:22:40.664ZSuperintendent Elijah Marshallhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SuperintendentElijahMarshall
Trust me I do plan on preaching and teaching what the Bible says in rightful context and application. But, I do want to answer to your question... When God establishes specific gender roles for the man and woman as far as husband and wife is concerned, thats natural and fleshly so.... because in the flesh they are different sexes, but in the spirit, and spiritually speaking when you're dealing with the church, the Church deals in the spiritual things.. And in the spirit, and spiritually…
Trust me I do plan on preaching and teaching what the Bible says in rightful context and application. But, I do want to answer to your question... When God establishes specific gender roles for the man and woman as far as husband and wife is concerned, thats natural and fleshly so.... because in the flesh they are different sexes, but in the spirit, and spiritually speaking when you're dealing with the church, the Church deals in the spiritual things.. And in the spirit, and spiritually speaking, spirits dont have genders... the office of bishop, pastor, overseer, elder, apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher and evangelist are spiritual offices that require spiritual service.... If you would agree that in th…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-26:916966:Comment:8879172009-07-26T14:51:09.341ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
If you would agree that in the gender role of God creating male and female for specific purposes Husbands to lead Wives to be the help that the husband needs to accomplish the goal God has designed for the family. Why is it so shocking to believe that He set up His church in the same fashion?<br />
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But alas I've told myself that I would stop responding to these post and I'm really going to try. Brother Marshall you go right ahead preaching and teaching what you believe the bible says becasue right…
If you would agree that in the gender role of God creating male and female for specific purposes Husbands to lead Wives to be the help that the husband needs to accomplish the goal God has designed for the family. Why is it so shocking to believe that He set up His church in the same fashion?<br />
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But alas I've told myself that I would stop responding to these post and I'm really going to try. Brother Marshall you go right ahead preaching and teaching what you believe the bible says becasue right or wrong you will be the one that has to answer for it. To guide and to rule may not…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-26:916966:Comment:8876522009-07-26T07:54:02.409ZSuperintendent Elijah Marshallhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SuperintendentElijahMarshall
To guide and to rule may not be the same thing, I can understand that, but will you not agree that if someone is guiding something or ruling something, they are still in a position of leadership and authority? Because in order to guide something or someone, you have to be in front of them or giving them authoratative instructions. That's a similar position according to Scripture that God has ordained for men and women... but you saying they cant hold the same spiritual office together? That's…
To guide and to rule may not be the same thing, I can understand that, but will you not agree that if someone is guiding something or ruling something, they are still in a position of leadership and authority? Because in order to guide something or someone, you have to be in front of them or giving them authoratative instructions. That's a similar position according to Scripture that God has ordained for men and women... but you saying they cant hold the same spiritual office together? That's respect of person.. To have the call of a preacher, in ANY office is a SPIRITUAL assignment with a SPIRITUAL anointing. It has nothing to do with your flesh, and in the spirit, her spirit is not a female-gender spirit, its simply a holy spirit, because their are no sexes in the spirit, only in gender and in the natural. So, when God calls a vessel for a spiritual purpose, He anoints our spirit, calls our spirit, not the flesh.. we operate from our spirit, through the human body to glorify God. Women have their specific gender roles and assignments to carry out from God, that cannot be mixed in with men, as far as natural things and in the home where they are called to submit and be subject to their own husbands, and to be his help-meet and help him with the house by guiding the house under his leadership, but how does that take away from the spiritual calling and anointing on her life as a preacher.. only because she's a woman?? I wouldnt think God is that bias... I say where the scriptures sp…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-26:916966:Comment:8876162009-07-26T06:50:02.963ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
I say where the scriptures speak we speak, and where they are quite we should be also. The scripture does say what the qualifications of a Bishop/Elder/Pastor are, why is it that we just dont go by it and not try to remix it? If God had a order of things from day one why should we try and change it now? And to "guide" the home and "rule the household" are not the same thing.
I say where the scriptures speak we speak, and where they are quite we should be also. The scripture does say what the qualifications of a Bishop/Elder/Pastor are, why is it that we just dont go by it and not try to remix it? If God had a order of things from day one why should we try and change it now? And to "guide" the home and "rule the household" are not the same thing. And I answer your question wi…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-25:916966:Comment:8866432009-07-25T20:19:27.286ZSuperintendent Elijah Marshallhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SuperintendentElijahMarshall
And I answer your question with a question... Since it does NOT specifically say a woman CANT be an Elder, is it right to assume she cant be one because it doesnt say yay or nay?
And I answer your question with a question... Since it does NOT specifically say a woman CANT be an Elder, is it right to assume she cant be one because it doesnt say yay or nay? First of all, Pastor Culberso…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-25:916966:Comment:8866392009-07-25T20:13:30.493ZSuperintendent Elijah Marshallhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SuperintendentElijahMarshall
First of all, Pastor Culberson, I did address the men ruling their households well, I did not avoid it. What I said was that the Elder, if he is married according to scripture, let him have one wife, and let him be able to rule his household well. But since you have a problem with the terminology "ruling his household well" let me also remind you that the same Bible says that the married woman can guide the house AS WELL, NOT TO SAY she has authority over her husband and can tell him what to do…
First of all, Pastor Culberson, I did address the men ruling their households well, I did not avoid it. What I said was that the Elder, if he is married according to scripture, let him have one wife, and let him be able to rule his household well. But since you have a problem with the terminology "ruling his household well" let me also remind you that the same Bible says that the married woman can guide the house AS WELL, NOT TO SAY she has authority over her husband and can tell him what to do (in authority), but she has permission to guide the house.. Where is the scripture.. 1 Timothy 5:14. When a woman gives a command to her children in the home, is not that having the rule over them? Then, they are commanded even when they are grown to honor her as being over them in the Lord.. So once again, she can be a mother and be over them, but not an Elder (which is still spiritual authority).. and all because she is a woman?? Once again, the Scriptures are not going to come out plainly and give the qualifications of a woman bishop or a woman Elder because it was not heard of in that day, because it was not permitted because of the lack of teaching and education women were permitted to have, and to keep order in the house of God, they were not allowed to teach men or usurp authority over them because they werent educationally and socially qualified to do so Since it was I that brought u…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-25:916966:Comment:8864342009-07-25T17:35:31.570ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
Since it was I that brought up the latter part of the chapter about men ruling there house holds well ( which you did not really give an answer to, just kind of avoided it) I will ask you this according to your train of thought how would a women be judged as to her qualifiacation for the office of a Bishop or Elder?<br />
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And secondly, no it does not say that a woman cant be an Elder but news flash it also doesnt say that they can you are adding it in there. So in the theory of the judical system…
Since it was I that brought up the latter part of the chapter about men ruling there house holds well ( which you did not really give an answer to, just kind of avoided it) I will ask you this according to your train of thought how would a women be judged as to her qualifiacation for the office of a Bishop or Elder?<br />
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And secondly, no it does not say that a woman cant be an Elder but news flash it also doesnt say that they can you are adding it in there. So in the theory of the judical system the burden of proof lies with you please tell us where in the text it is saying that they can. And if you cant are you then guilty of adding to the word something that is not there? So, Paul did not permit it be…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-25:916966:Comment:8859952009-07-25T07:05:50.745ZSuperintendent Elijah Marshallhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SuperintendentElijahMarshall
So, Paul did not permit it because of the situation of that day, it would be considered out of order. Then, before you try and jump to the following verses, in 1 Timothy 2, take the WHOLE chapter in context.. God NEVER HAS allowed the woman to be the head of the man or over the man in the spirit, IN THE BASIS of marriage, that's why he tells them about how Adam was here first, then Eve. Paul wanted them to be reminded of divine order as how God set it to be so in the family and in the home..…
So, Paul did not permit it because of the situation of that day, it would be considered out of order. Then, before you try and jump to the following verses, in 1 Timothy 2, take the WHOLE chapter in context.. God NEVER HAS allowed the woman to be the head of the man or over the man in the spirit, IN THE BASIS of marriage, that's why he tells them about how Adam was here first, then Eve. Paul wanted them to be reminded of divine order as how God set it to be so in the family and in the home.. Remember, these women could prophesy and pray in a church service, but Paul didnt want the women to abuse their liberty and over-ride the authority of the man as the head in the household. Study the Bible.. take it into context.. look at who he's talking to, and the situation he addressing, the custom and times that that situation was in... Now, so she can teach him and…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-25:916966:Comment:8859852009-07-25T07:01:08.080ZSuperintendent Elijah Marshallhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SuperintendentElijahMarshall
Now, so she can teach him and instruct him at home, what to do and how to do, in the authority GOD himself gave to her as a mother.. but she cant teach and preach to him or any other man in church? Because it's at church? If she restricted to preach or teach a male in church, she shouldnt be allowed to do it anywhere else for the same reason, IF THAT'S your interpretation??!!! STUDY! You will see that of course, Paul didnt permit the women to teach a man and to have authority over them, because…
Now, so she can teach him and instruct him at home, what to do and how to do, in the authority GOD himself gave to her as a mother.. but she cant teach and preach to him or any other man in church? Because it's at church? If she restricted to preach or teach a male in church, she shouldnt be allowed to do it anywhere else for the same reason, IF THAT'S your interpretation??!!! STUDY! You will see that of course, Paul didnt permit the women to teach a man and to have authority over them, because first of all, who was he writing to?? A Christian Church in Ephesus, that was in a Jewish society and culture.. and when you STUDY the Word of God, you will see.. Jewish women were not ALLOWED to have the same education and knowledge as men... about ANYTHING! That's why Paul told the Church in Corinth in 1 Corinthians 14:35... that if they want to LEARN ANYTHING.. (see that word learn).. let them ask them questions AT HOME because they couldnt speak out in the church, because that was the culture and custom of that day. Now, why would you let a woman, or anybody else for that matter, teach anybody and they dont have knowledge to teach anything??