Doctrine of Election - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T05:35:17Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/doctrine-of-election?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A2027328&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBrother Day
You cited the ver…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-03:916966:Comment:20334962011-05-03T20:33:33.367ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p>Brother Day</p>
<p>You cited the very verse that proves the Calvinist point.</p>
<p>2 Peter 3:9 looks as if it teaches that God is a Universalist. “I hope that we all agree that universalism is not true. The context of the pericope is the second advent of our Lord and we know this because of the Old Testament phrase “Day of the Lord” found 21 times in the OT (Isaiah through Malachi).</p>
<p>I understand that you see the world “all” and think that it means everyone on the earth. That is not…</p>
<p>Brother Day</p>
<p>You cited the very verse that proves the Calvinist point.</p>
<p>2 Peter 3:9 looks as if it teaches that God is a Universalist. “I hope that we all agree that universalism is not true. The context of the pericope is the second advent of our Lord and we know this because of the Old Testament phrase “Day of the Lord” found 21 times in the OT (Isaiah through Malachi).</p>
<p>I understand that you see the world “all” and think that it means everyone on the earth. That is not true to the text. Here the word all in the context of the pericope means all the saved. What you say. Let look at the total context.</p>
<p>1. This is now, beloved the second letter ……stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the words spoken beforehand…..as well as in verse 8 Peter calls them beloved…then there is verse 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward <b>you</b>, not wishing for any to perish but for <b>all</b> to come to repentance.</p>
<p>Notice the word <b>“you”</b> before <b>“all”</b> this is a reference to the same group of people (the elected) these are already saved.</p>
<p>I think that at this point it is clear to me that the other view that has gone nameless in our discussion to this point namely Arminianism underscores man’s free will to the exclusion of the sovereignty of God.</p> Okay you changed subjects on…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-03:916966:Comment:20322212011-05-03T13:56:13.152ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p>Okay you changed subjects on me and I was not sure. For me I want to stay focus on the one topic at a time.</p>
<p>But to answer your question: For me it is not a question of can a woman preach, because they can! For me it is better to ask should they be preaching.</p>
<p>The answer to that question I find is no! If you say look at the culture of the early church (it is modeled after the Jewish culture were men are the ones in leadership “the elders.”) It is not something that fits into this…</p>
<p>Okay you changed subjects on me and I was not sure. For me I want to stay focus on the one topic at a time.</p>
<p>But to answer your question: For me it is not a question of can a woman preach, because they can! For me it is better to ask should they be preaching.</p>
<p>The answer to that question I find is no! If you say look at the culture of the early church (it is modeled after the Jewish culture were men are the ones in leadership “the elders.”) It is not something that fits into this discussion at this time. I have written three blog on the subject from Womanist Theology to role of women in pastoral ministry.</p>
<p>Please read and we can discuss them later.</p> Yes we were conversing were w…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20296112011-05-02T21:33:51.884ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
Yes we were conversing were we not?
Yes we were conversing were we not? Brother Anthony are you talki…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20301692011-05-02T21:19:02.597ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
Brother Anthony are you talking to me?
Brother Anthony are you talking to me? Goodness gracious, let me hel…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20300672011-05-02T21:03:01.869ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
<p>Goodness gracious, let me help you out Preacher.</p>
<p>1. Where was Timothy when Paul wrote this message?</p>
<p>2. What was the physical makeup of the church at that time in history?</p>
<p>3. Why was it important to note that women should not have gold plated in </p>
<p> thier hair?</p>
<p>4. Why was it so important to not allow women to speak in church?</p>
<p>When you can answer these questions, you will understand what Paul meant when he penned this chapter.</p>
<p>Goodness gracious, let me help you out Preacher.</p>
<p>1. Where was Timothy when Paul wrote this message?</p>
<p>2. What was the physical makeup of the church at that time in history?</p>
<p>3. Why was it important to note that women should not have gold plated in </p>
<p> thier hair?</p>
<p>4. Why was it so important to not allow women to speak in church?</p>
<p>When you can answer these questions, you will understand what Paul meant when he penned this chapter.</p> www.csntm.orgThis is his webs…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20301642011-05-02T20:59:33.871ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p><a href="http://www.csntm.org" target="_blank">www.csntm.org</a><br/>This is his website and you may fine a number there! I do not have his okay to give you the number that his gives out to his students so try this route and see if you can get him this way! Thanks</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csntm.org" target="_blank">www.csntm.org</a><br/>This is his website and you may fine a number there! I do not have his okay to give you the number that his gives out to his students so try this route and see if you can get him this way! Thanks</p> number pleasetag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20295882011-05-02T19:58:45.037ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
number please
number please call his office and ask!tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20298702011-05-02T19:47:29.056ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
call his office and ask!
call his office and ask! I see he uses the greek very…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20295832011-05-02T19:42:45.170ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
I see he uses the greek very well and that is all fine and good but surely he knows and understands that exegeting the greek is not the end all and be all of hermanutics surely your teacher is aware that to gain a full understanding of the point being made, one must after all look at the culture of the day as well as the history in order to tell the difference between cultural mores and eternal truths. I find that missing from his missive. I also see that he wrote this in 2009, you mean he has…
I see he uses the greek very well and that is all fine and good but surely he knows and understands that exegeting the greek is not the end all and be all of hermanutics surely your teacher is aware that to gain a full understanding of the point being made, one must after all look at the culture of the day as well as the history in order to tell the difference between cultural mores and eternal truths. I find that missing from his missive. I also see that he wrote this in 2009, you mean he has nothing of note to speak of in 2011? Here is a link http://bible.o…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-05-02:916966:Comment:20298672011-05-02T19:16:59.795ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
Here is a link <a href="http://bible.org/article/interpretive-issues-1-timothy-212">http://bible.org/article/interpretive-issues-1-timothy-212</a>
Here is a link <a href="http://bible.org/article/interpretive-issues-1-timothy-212">http://bible.org/article/interpretive-issues-1-timothy-212</a>