Have you ever wondered what is the God Of The Old Testament's New NAME is in the New Testament?
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Della,

Clearly, in Revelation 3, Yeshua Himself is speaking. HaShem does not have a new name, nor will He ever have a new name. Let me show you a scripture where HaShem Himself says about His name. Exodus 3:15,"And God said again to Moses: Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel... YHWH, the God of your fathers, God of Abraham and God of Issac and God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is an everlasting name of mine and a memorial of generations to generations." Clearly, as you can see Dellla, YHWH is an everlasting name throughout generations. It shall be going and ongoing.

The one clearly speaking in Rev 3:12 is Yeshua the Messiah Himself. He shall have a new name, and not HaShem. HaShem is forever.

Shalom
James: Many times the question is asked, "If Jesus was Father God why did he not just say so?" The answer to this question is so completely summed up in Philippians 2:5-8. He was humble. He did not think it a good thing to flaunt his deity before men. He did not choose to appear better than man, although he was better than all men for he was the creator of all men. He choose, instead, to have all men appear better than himself.

When Jesus spoke of the Father it was always in a way that distanced his own identity from that of Father God. This action was in keeping with his character of not appearing as God, although he was. Concerning this very subject Jesus made the following promise: "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall not more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father: (John 16:25). Paul referred to this same event of revelation when he wrote unto Timothy, "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and the Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen" (1 Timothy 6:15-16).

At the time of this great revelation may we all bow low at his feet and whisper in hushed tones of adoration the confession of Thomas, THE LORD MY GOD! after seeing his nail scarred hands. In Zechariah 12:9-11 (King James Version)There was coming a day that was prophesied God would be pierced.

9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

But that still leaves the question: Why does the New Testament make a distinction at times? The answer to this goes back to the dual nature of Jesus. In the capacity of being fully man, He was distinct from God. Not just distinct from the Father but from being God at all. This is why we can see references to the God of Jesus Christ (Matt. 27:46; John 20:17; Eph. 1:17). This is obviously not the God of God. It is the God of a man. Jesus is called a man over and over (Acts 2:22; 13:38; I Tim 2:5). As a man, there were things He did not know (Mark 13:32), there were things He could not do (Mark 6:5), He could only be in one place at one time (John 16:7), He could be tempted (Heb 4:15), He could thirst (John 19:28), and He could die (John 19:33). So from this point of view He was distinct from God, and could be spoken of that way. But from another point of view He was fully God and could be called such (John 20:28; I Tim 3:16; I John 5:20). When we see a separate reference it is always something like: "God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ." What you never see is: "God the Father and God the Son." It is always God and man, Spirit and flesh, God the Father and the Son of God. As I Timothy 2:5 puts it, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

In John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." Does that mean that they are one in unity? Well, I ask if that was all he meant then why did the Jews pick up stones to stone him? (v. 31) In fact, Jesus asks them why (v. 32), and they answered him, "because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" (v. 33). They understood this as claiming to be God, not claiming to be in accordance with him. So if "I and the Father are one" means "I am God", then he must be God the Father. Some Trinitarians have tried to draw attention to the neuter gender of the word "one" in this passage (Gk - hen), claiming that this means that they are one in unity. However, this is the same word used in passages such as Eph. 4:4 where it says that there is "one Spirit," and no one would argue that this means only one in unity.

In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Yet they routinely baptized only in Jesus' name.3 Either they were mistaken, or they understood the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost to be Jesus. Surely the apostles didn't disobey their Lord.

I could give many scriptures to show that Jesus is indeed God, but here are a few more that show that he is specifically the Father (who is the only God, Mal 2:10; I Cor 8:6).
1. Jesus said that He would send the comforter to us (John 16:7), but He also said the Father would send the comforter (John 14:26).

2. The Father alone can draw men to God (John 6:44), yet Jesus said He would draw all men (John 12:32).

3. Jesus will raise up all believers in the last day (John 6:40), yet God the Father quickens (gives life to) the dead and will raise us up (Romans 4:17; I Corinthians 6:14).

4. Christ is our sanctifier (Ephesians 5:26), yet the Father sanctifies us (Jude 1).

We can easily understand all of this if we realize that Jesus has a dual nature. He is both Spirit and flesh, God and man, Father and Son.

Finally, I would like to look at a passage in Revelation 21, which clearly indicates that Jesus is the Father. Starting at verse 5 it reads: And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new [we are made new by being in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17)]." And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true [in Rev. 3:14 and 19:11 Jesus is called "faithful and true"]." 6 Then He said to me, "It is done. [compare to John 19:30, "it is finished"] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. [In the very next chapter Jesus says this same thing, 22:13-16] I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost [Jesus gives the water of life, John 4:10-14; Rev. 7:17]. 7 He who overcomes [Jesus spoke these words seven times to each of the seven churches in the beginning of this epistle, 2:7,11,17,26;3:5,12,21] will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son" (emphasis added). Everything in this passage points towards Jesus as the speaker, yet at the end of the passage we realize that it is God the Father.

As our Lord said elsewhere, "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father" (John 16:25). Or as Zechariah the prophet said, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one" (Zech. 14:9
Let’s look at 1 Timothy 3:16 again:

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Notice... we are first told that godliness is a mystery. But now... look at the rest of the scripture. It defines the mystery for us! It’s not a mystery for those who seek!

Paul writes in I Timothy 3:16, “...God was manifest in the flesh.”

This is the reason why He was called Emanuel. That interpretation means, “God with us.”

Matthew 1:23, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus Christ was God... and He was God with us.

“God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
and received up into glory.”
From cradle to ascension, Jesus Christ was God .

This is the central question. Unless we get this one question right, nothing else will be right. How many Gods are there?


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How Many Gods? One.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Before we just say this glibly, let us look at some of the teachings of the Bible concerning how many Gods there actually are. Deuteronomy 6:4, of course, is the cornerstone of all truth. But let’s go beyond it to see if the rest of the scriptures bear it out.

None Else Beside Him

Deuteronomy 4:35 says it this way:

Unto thee it was showed, that thou mightest know that the LORD He is God; there is none else beside Him.

So, not only is there just one God, there is none else beside Him.

No God With Him

Deuteronomy 32:39 tells us that there is no God with Him:

See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no God with Me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand.

So, according to the Lord, there is no god beside Him, there is no god with Him.

No God Before Him or After Him

Furthermore, Isaiah 43:10 tells us that there was no God formed before Him and it tells us that there will not be any God formed after Him.

Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

This is not complex. There is one God, there was none before Him, there will not be another God created after Him, there is no God beside Him, and there is none with Him.

None Like Him

As we have already seen, there is no God with Him, were none before Him, and will never be any after Him. Also, there is not even any God like Him, as we read in II Samuel 7:22:

Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

The Scriptures go on and on with this consistent truth.


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Even Devils Know There Is Only One God

Here now is one of the very interesting scriptures – James 2:19. It says:

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Satan, who found his realm in heaven, knows that there is one and only one God. Additionally, I Corinthians 8:4 says:

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.


Additionally, I Corinthians 8:4 says:

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

From these Scriptures, and many, many others like them not mentioned here, we can reach a conclusion of truth. There is one and only one God.


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Is Jesus God?

The next question is if there is one and only one God, does the Bible teach that Jesus is God? Isaiah 9:6, the great Messianic prophecy, tells us:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus Both Son and Father?

This is an interesting scripture because it says that this Messiah will be both Son and Father. He will be the Son born, but yet He will also be the everlasting Father!

Matthew 1:23 teaches us:

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus is God with us.

Revelation 1:8 the Lord God Almighty speaks:

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

In verses 10 and 11 the Lord continues:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:

The same voice is speaking to John in both verses. We know this because He said in verse 8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending” and He again repeats, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.”

Verses 12 and 13 continue:

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

And verses 17 and 18:

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead;

Now we know for sure who is talking here when He says, “I am he that liveth, and was dead.” Jesus is speaking.

Continuing in verse 18 we read:

and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The One who said, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the ending, the Almighty,” is the same One who said, “I am he that liveth, and was dead and, behold, I am alive for evermore.”

This is Jesus Christ staking claim not only to be God but to be the Almighty God!

God Is the Only Savior

Isaiah 43:11 tells us that the Lord Jehovah is the only Savior:

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


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God Is Jesus?

In Acts 9 we witness a conversion – the revelation to Paul. The man named Saul of Tarsus, then a persecutor of the church, was on his way to persecute Christians at Damascus. He had papers that had been granted to him to fulfill this commission. However, God had a different plan for this man’s life. As he was traveling along, Acts 9:4 reads:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Saul knew this was God speaking to him. But remember, up to this point, Saul had not been thinking that he was persecuting followers of God. He thought he was persecuting followers of Jesus. But here now was God Himself asking Saul why he is persecuting “Me.”

Saul obviously concluded, “I must not know who God is.” He asked God that very question... and received in response what the amazing revelation that should be apparent to us all. Acts 9:5:

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Paul said, “Who are you Lord?” And God responded, “I am Jesus.”


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I’ll Believe It When I See It

In another story, Jesus had appeared to the ten disciples (Thomas was absent). When Thomas returned, the disciples told Thomas they had seen Jesus. Thomas replied, “Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.” (John 20:25)

Several days later, Jesus appeared to them again, and this time Thomas was present. Jesus went straight to Thomas and said, “... behold my hands; and...my side...” (John 20:27)

Thomas fell on his knees and replied, “My Lord and my God.”

In that moment, Thomas realized that not only had Jesus risen from the dead, but that Jesus had been listening to his denials. At that moment, Thomas realized that this is a God who is an ever-present God, who knows my thoughts while they are yet afar off. He is Jesus. And He is God.


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The Only Wise God

Jude 1:25 reads:

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.

If there is more than one God, the others don’t have any sense. As we just read, “... the only wise God...” Only one God possesses wisdom, glory, majesty, dominion, and power. This doesn’t leave much for any god other than the One.

Jesus Is the One God

What can we conclude from these scriptures? There is only one God, and Jesus is that one God.

The Holy Ghost Is God

Have we answered all of our questions about the Godhead? No. Let’s take look at the Holy Ghost, since the Holy Ghost is part of the Godhead. The Bible teaches us that the Holy Ghost is God. Let’s look at Luke 1:35:

...the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Since the Holy Ghost was going to overshadow Mary... and cause her to conceive... and the holy thing which would be born of her shall be called the Son of God... we can therefore see the Bible teaches us that the Holy Ghost is God.

The Holy Ghost Is the Father?

Our lesson will now become more confusing – or at least it may seem to be confusing if you don’t fully understand the one-God concept.

Who was the Father of Jesus? The natural answer would be, “The Father.” But we are about to learn that the Holy Ghost was the father of Jesus. Here is Matthew 1:18:

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

The Father Is Not the Father?

Here is where some people become confused due to the concept of the Trinity. If you have a Father, a Son and a Holy Ghost... and the Holy Ghost is the father of Jesus... this is a strange situation. The Father is not the father! But that is only confusing to people who have been taught to believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three separate beings.

If it is your belief, however, that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one and the same, then we can use these titles interchangeably without doing violence to the Bible. On the other hand, if they are not one and the same, then we would be rightfully confused. It would seem as though the wrong one fathered Jesus Christ.


The Holy Ghost Is Jesus?

We have just learned that the Holy Ghost is the Father. And we learned earlier that according to Isaiah 9:6, the Father and the Son are the same.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It should therefore not come as a surprise to find that the Bible teaches that Jesus is not only the Father, but He is also the Holy Ghost. Here is John 14:16-17:

And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him:...

The world doesn’t see Him, the world doesn’t know Him, and the world doesn’t perceive Him. Jesus continues in verse 17:

...but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The disciples were given the revelation when Jesus said, “but ye know Him...” Ta-da! “for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” In other words, “Look at me! here I am! Right now I am with you physically, but I have to go away so that you can know me more intimately than you can know me right now. I have to go away so I can indwell you!”

Jesus continues in verse 18:

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


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Understanding Godhead is to Understand the Baptism

We know at this point that

Jesus is the Father,

Jesus is the Son,

and Jesus is the Holy Ghost.

And this explains why, on the day of His ascension into heaven, Jesus straightly commanded His disciples to go teach all nations and baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. (Matthew 28:19) And yet seven days later Peter stood on the day of Pentecost and commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And then every single baptism throughout the history of the New Testament church was done in the name of Jesus. All of them.

Why?

It’s because by then the disciples understood that Jesus was the Father, Jesus was the Son, and Jesus was the Holy Ghost! And when He told them to baptize in the name of the Father, He meant for them to use the name of Jesus; when He told them to baptize in the name of the Son, He meant for them to use the name of Jesus; and when He told them to baptize in the name of the Holy Ghost, He meant for them to use the name of Jesus.

Because Colossians 2:9 says that

in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Some of us may say, “How can this be?”

It is really quite simple. I am a father, I am a son and I am a husband, but I am not three persons. Jesus Christ was Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but He is not three people. Recall Jesus’ words to Philip, “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.” (John 14:9)

The Mystery of Godliness Is Solved!


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Summary

It has been said that God is a mystery. Paul writes this in I Timothy 3:16. He said, “Great is the mystery of godliness.” But what does “mystery” mean? We discover through scripture that it does not mean mysteries cannot be understood. And, in fact, Paul goes on in this the same verse to define the mystery for us! He tells us that the mystery of godliness is that “God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” When a person says that God is a mystery, he has not looked deeply enough.

Scriptures prove out very clearly that

There is one God.
There is no god beside Him
There is no god with Him
There was no god before Him
There will be no god after Him
There is none like Him
The devils even know there is one God
Jesus is God
Jesus is the Father
Jesus is the Son
Jesus is the Holy Ghost
The Holy Ghost is God
The Holy Ghost is Jesus

The disciples understood that Jesus was the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. When Jesus, therefore, gave them instructions to “teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,” they properly understood that Jesus was referring to Himself. And this is why seven days later on the day of Pentecost, Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And then all baptisms and throughout the history of the New Testament church were done in the name of Jesus.

Proper understanding of the Godhead is reflected in baptism.
Della,

If you want to understand the relationship between Yeshua & HaShem, and how they are one, then I would encourage you to study Hebraic thought on the oneness of HaShem. Believe when I tell you, Yeshua is not the father at all. He is the divine expression of HaShem.
James I am going to disagree with you Because The New testament plainly tells us That Jehovah God of the old test has become Known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament. There are Many scriptures given in the new testament bible given that Match the old testament Proving He is The Father.
As our Lord said elsewhere, "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father" (John 16:25). Or as Zechariah the prophet said, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one" (Zech. 14:9
How many Lords did Paul say there are?

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Cor. 8:6

One God and one Lord.

And John says the Alpha Omega is the Almighty and the LORD.

The Lord is Jesus according to Paul. The Alpha Omega is the Father who is TO COME. The Lord (Jesus) is the Alpha Omega.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia.

Comment:

The Spirit is yet further piecing this divine puzzle together. Verse 11 reveals that the same one who is Alpha Omega is the First and the Last!

The Father is the one to COME in verse 4.

The one to COME is Alpha Omega in verse 8.

Therefore the Alpha Omega is the Father.

The Alpha Omega (Father) is also the First and Last verse 11.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Comment:

Now John sees one who he believes is Jesus.

Jesus says "I am the First and the Last". Verse 17

If he is the First and the Last he is the Alpha Omega. If he is the Alpha Omega he is the ONE to come. Verse 8.

If he is the ONE to come he is THE FATHER of verse 4.

Jesus is the one who was dead and came alive in verse 18. The Son who washed us in his blood. Verse 5.

So between verse 17-18 we can say with much assurance Jesus is BOTH the First and Last (Father) and ALSO the Son who died and rose.

Written in a veiled way? Maybe thats why the book is also referred to as THE UNVEILING OF JESUS CHRIST!
Della,

The scriptures you are posting does not actually prove that Yeshua is the father, rather, they prove that Yeshua is the expression of the father. Scripture would not make sense to call Yeshua the father, as it never did. How could Yeshua be the father when Yeshua will give all authority back to the father? Will Yeshua give authority back to Himself?

You fail to understand the relationship between the word of HaShem & HaShem. Let me give you an example in hopes you will understand. When you speak a word from your heart, that word expresses the real you. When you carry out the action of the word, it is showing your actions expressed. You yourself is not that word, rather, that word expresses your nature.

This is true of HaShem & Yeshua. Yeshua is the word of HaShem. He is the divine expression of the nature of HaShem(Hebrews 1:1-3). HaShem Himself is not that word, rather, that word expresses the nature of HaShem. You cannot literally be your own word. This is where oneness pentecostals fail at their understanding. Della, Yeshua is the expression of HaShem just like YOUR very own words are your expressions.

Shalom
You Don't believe the the father had a role as the son to redeem mankind and when God is finished his role as son will cease?
Della,

HaShem's "expression" played the role as redeemer. HaShem Himseld did not die on a cross. There's no such thing as HaShem finishing His role as Son. Where do you get that? Is not Yeshua the Son of HaShem a Son forever? Is He not the eternal Messiah? Will He not be forevermore?

HaShem sent His son into the world to redeem the world. His Son is the very expression of HaShem. HaShem did not morphe into flesh, and ceased from being the father. HaShem never turned into flesh.

Della, I will challenge you on each scripture you post, but I ask you to please make your responses short, because no one will read them. Post 2-3 scriptures at a time so we can discuss them.

Shalom
part 1 Of your statement: HaShem's "expression" played the role as redeemer. HaShem Himself did not die on a cross. I will try to highlight the just of it for you..

My Response is: Yes God didn't die on the cross because no one can kill him because he is Spirit Jesus (John 4:24) in his humanity died.
BUT This verse (Matthew 27:46) cannot describe an actual separation between Father and Son because Jesus is the Father. Jesus said, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). The Bible states that "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Corinthians 5:19). Jesus was God the Father made manifest in flesh to reconcile the world to Himself. The cry of Jesus on the cross does not mean that the Spirit of God had departed from the body, but that there was no help from the Spirit in His sacrificial death of substitution for sinful mankind. It was not one person of the Godhead being deserted by another, but the human nature feeling the wrath and judgment of God upon the sins of mankind.

There were not two sons - a divine son and a human son - but there were two natures - deity and humanity - fused in one person. The divine Spirit could not be separated from the human nature and life continue. But in His agonizing process of dying, Jesus suffered the pains of our sins. Dying became death when He yielded His Spirit.

In other words, what Jesus meant when He cried, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" was that he had taken the place of sinful man on the cross and was suffering the full punishment for sin. There was no abatement of suffering because of His deity. Since all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), all mankind (except for the sinless Christ) deserved to die. Christ took our place and suffered the death that we deserved (Romans 5:6-9). Jesus was more than a courageous martyr like Stephen and more than an Old Testament sacrifice, because He died in our place and experienced for a time the death we deserved. On the cross, He tasted death for every man (Hebrews 2:9). This death was more than physical death; it also involved spiritual death, which is separation from God (II Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 20:14).

No one alive on earth has felt this spiritual death in its fullest degree, because all of us live, move, and have our being in God (Acts 17:28). Even the atheist enjoys many good things such as joy, love, and life itself. Every good thing comes from God (James 1:17), and all life originates from Him and is upheld by Him. But, Jesus tasted ultimate death - the separation from God that a sinner will feel in the lake of fire. He felt the anguish, hopelessness, and despair as if he were a man eternally forsaken by God. So the human nature of Jesus cried out on the cross as Jesus took on the sin of the whole world and felt the eternal punishment of separation for that sin (I Peter 2:24).

We must not assume that the Spirit of God departed from the body of Jesus the moment He uttered the words, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" The divine Spirit left the human body only at death. Hebrews 9:14 says that Christ offered Himself to God through the eternal Spirit. Moreover, Jesus told His disciples with respect to His death,

Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that he shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me" (John 16:32). Thus, the eternal Spirit of God, the Father, did not leave the human body of Christ until Christ's death
Della,

2 Corinthians 5:19 is a great scripture showing Yeshua as HaShem's expression. It said that HaShem was "in" Yeshua. If you go back to the burning bush story in Exodus 3, you will see that the context said its the angel of HaShem in the flame of fire. Then, out of the fire, HaShem Himself speaks to Moses. Why is that? Its because HaShem was "in" the angel speaking to Moses.

But, what does being in mean? It means that the very presence was in. HaShem's presence was in Yeshua. That passage does not mean that Yeshua was the father Himself, but rather all of deity(fullness of the presence) was in Yeshua.
What does it mean when I come into your presence? It means I am Here with you? right ? Well The Same for Jesus The Very Presence Of Yeshua was in Christ reconciling the world Unto himself. What does it say? the Father reconciled the world on to Himself through Christ?He didn't Say The father was reconciling the world to Jesus. He said to Himself.
Plain english not hebrew. You are correct for saying that The full deity was in Christ!
God Bless
Della,

Its very different of when you come into a human's presence vs. coming into HaShem's presence. In biblical times, HaShem's presence was in the temple. They were not in HaShem's literal presence, for no one can see HaShem and live. They were in His glorious manifestational presence--- The Shekinah.

Are you saying that Yeshua is a different person than Jesus Christ? Of course thats not true! Obviously you are not familar with Hebrew words. Yeshua IS Jesus. So, its impossible for Yeshua to be in Christ bringing the world back to Himself lol.

The father was bringing the world back to Him through His Son Yeshua--- the divine expression of the father. Plain English didn't say that HaShem was in Himself bringing the world to Himself. Thats utter stupidity to hold to such doctrine.

HaShem was using HIS DIVINE EXPRESSION-- His word, to bring the world back. No one has ever seen HaShem at any time(John 1). Throughout history, humans have only seen HaShem's Shekinah--- A manifestation of His glory.

No scripture proves or says that Yeshua is the father. If you believe that, then you lack Hebraic understanding of the scriptures there. Tell you what, Della, Grab two scriptures at a time where you think it proves Yeshua is the father, and we will talk about them. Deal?

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