Is your church teaching Gods commandments or man's traditions. Yes, I am aware that some traditions are to be passed down from generation to generation. But here lately I am hearing a lot more about what seems right unto man and not what God said in his word. Be careful! Are you looking for religion or salvation there is a difference?

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Mr Day writes:"I am for sound, Biblical, Gospel teaching that sets sinners free from the yoke of sin and destroys the yoke of religious bondage in the lives of believers.~~~ I reject teaching that heaps burdens on men and shuts up the Kingdom of God as to prevent them from entering.
Nice However what is sound to you is maybe not sound to a real Tzaddik. Mar Yeshua ben Yoseph did not teach his deciples/Talmidim any words from Paul~ However he did teach from what today is the TaNaKh...or basic Hebrew bible the Prayer/Daven book the Siddur is seperate~ I do not believe any one on this thrad has a copy..It is available on line to curious students of haShem.
So lets divide the Mixture in the message you proposed for a Midrash:

mark writes those verses or so we are taught however they are in the same discourse..Right?

What is the Fight.
A good student would know the Answer.

It is a Heated discourse between Yeshua and the House of Hillel NOT all Pharisees as is taught in your seminaries and studies.

As I have written many a time They The House of Shammai~were in control of the Temple grounds at the time along with the Zealots or otherwise the Sacari ( Dagger men) as back up.

Historically they Killed eighty of the prophets of the house of Rav.Hillel where Yeshua received yeshiva teachings .
We can play with Paul later~~However please go and do as you tell people get some Chabad~Wisdom knowledge and then Full understanding. Then come back and teach.

But I admire your tenacity to stick to your guns. But Jews stick to Torah as Your Rabbi taught from..But it is not that way now is it~~~Rome Lied.
@ Derrick Day
No Derrick, "Jesus" did not give those commandments. He said "on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets". You are under the false notion that he made up those commandments when the reality was that he was quoting from the Deuteronomy 6:4 which speaking about keeping the whole law. So, as we can clearly see, because you are ignorant of the law you are under the mistaken impression that Yeshua ("Jesus") gave these commandments as some ridiculous way to release people from Torah. But those two things are the fundamental essence of Torah. The law CANNOT be done away with. I recommend you start reading Torah for yourself so you know what people were quoting.

Shalom
Hi Zealot,
Assuming Jesus is God made flesh, he did, indeed, give the commandment. And you're right, the law did not go away, it still exists for those who either live by the law or live in sin. He did not do away with the law but fulfill it (Matthew 5:17).

When I speak of tradition, I speak of the things that keep men in bondage, i.e., the traditions of men.

Yours in Christ,
Pastor Day
Mr Day writes:"Assuming Jesus is God made flesh, he did, indeed, give the commandment. And you're right, the law did not go away, it still exists for those who either live by the law or live in sin. He did not do away with the law but fulfill it (Matthew 5:17)."
Fulfill in the proper idiom is WALK it out..The Talmidim that Yeshua Loved stated that Those who say they Abide in the teachings and lifestyle of Mar Yeshua Ben Yoseph ..should walk as he walked. First John 2:v6
In those days and actually today the very lifestyle of a student was/is to be a servant to his Rabbi and watch his lifestyle very closely] To imitate the lifestyle of a Tzaddik // a pious benevolent man of Torah wisdom.

Again,... The word Halachah means The way' to walk"~ this Refers to how one understands,... How the Torah is to be carried out~~~
We do not assume anything of the kind that a mere man is G-d ..the possibility Yeshua may have been the Messiah to his generation is evident..to a degree.

Christ Means in its simpilist form manifestation so I assume you sign your salutation as a Maniestation of the Adam Qadmon The Blueprint of the New Man the One from the Adam Qadmon The original Adam in thought.

This may help you get the feel of how your ancestors talked and understood.

http://lessonsintanyah.com
http://chadab.org
http://torahanytime.com


As to Traditions Have you ever wrapped Teffilin or Had the privledge to wear a Tallit..or felt the wings of Adonai wrap around you?/ 3300 years of traditions makes National Israel very G-dly indeed.
@ Derrick

Furthermore, you mentioned the traditions not knowing that these were not speaking of the traditions that YHWH actually gave to Israel. They are speaking of the tradition of the tribal elders of Judah from which comes the RELIGION Ju-daism. If you have read 2 Thessalonians 2 you would do well to note the following:

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Tradition is not a bad word. The traditions THEY (disciples of Yeshua) taught were from Torah. This is a contrast to the traditions of men, the traditions of the Jews which they tried to add to the law of YHWH. It was these ridiculous rules that were hard for people to follow, not "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER". This is why you have the Jews attacking Yeshua's disciples for not properly washing their hands. This law does not exist in Torah so don't even bother looking for it. This is the problem. You have to know what Yeshua was arguing against in order to know what he was arguing FOR. He was actually FOR Torah but against the man-made rules they had added to it.

Shalom
Mr. X writes:"This is the problem. You have to know what Yeshua was arguing against in order to know what he was arguing FOR. He was actually FOR Torah but against the man-made rules they had added to it."
Mazel Tov / Todah Raba
386 Yeshivas (Academies)...in Yerushaylim at the time,Right ?
The two main parties are the Demon~crats and the Republicanians..Oppps
] Lets write that again with Clarity shall we;
The Two main parties in the Text-[ the real Text] ...is Yeshua and friends were in a Halachah battle with the House of Shammai, The Controllers of the Temple grounds.
Yeshua was not alone inthe Battle as Rome would like you to think It was most of the Plebian Torah groups and the House of R.Hillel and the Esssene... ALL agreed that a gentile could follow the Seven Noahide laws ( and more if they wished) and be worthy of the world to come

Bet Shammai did not agree with Bet Hillel and therein is the battle...

All people have to do is LOOK all the information is out there..you just find it over in the Hebrew Historical archives of Biblical history..Nothing changes in the Hebrew version of G-d learning

It is X-ianism that is all over the map..mainly because they follow ~well-meaning men~Instead of Lead with Torah and the Shekinah...

iSurly it would have been nice if Rome had not preferred the Hellinist version VS the Historical version:

{Rome forgot a few things while fabricating the Embellished" Virgin-Birth-story as you historically know...}


Also~~The children do not understand Echud Shel Ruach V'ernet

The unity of Sprit and Truth
That is National Israel ~~Kohl Yisrael arevim zeh bazeh' = All Israel is responsible for one another...


All Israel is One from the One the Man in the Adam Qadmon ...Simply the blueprint for all humanity~~The Moshiach within,... the Kingdom of Adonai within,...the Kingdom of G-d within ...
The Kingdom of Elohim is here..etc etc etc etc ....

Everything is prepared...
The table is all ready set...all we have to do is see it ....[The Rebbe~~"Bringing Heaven down to Earth"~Compiled by Tzvi Freeman...of Chabad.

Worth a copy

Enjoy your journey/// Yaakov and Terry
WE NEED TO ALWAYS TEACH GOD,S COMMANDMENT IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT KEEP US IN HIS WILL NOW MAN,S TRADITION SOME IS GOOD AND SOME IS NOT GOD,S WILL AND WHEN IT IS NOT GOD,S WILL IT BRING CONFUSION LIKE THE DAYS OF MOSES AND THE PEOPLE BEING SET FREE BUT GOD HAD TO SET ORDER FOR THEM TO MAKE IT TO THE PROMISE LAND MAN TRADTION CAN BRING A LOTS OF HARM BECAUSE IT IS TO MANY TRADTIONS THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
I am studying the book Of leviticus and I know some will say THATS THE LAW BUT we need to go back to what made God/Yah happy.....with all these different movements of the religion it is HARD to spot the truth,,because of the Gospel Lottery,how to get a Husband or wife,how to live happy etc,,what ever happened to living Holy? what pleases God/Yah,,the word says when a Mans ways pleases the lord he will even his enemies his foot stool..lets get back to when a Mans ways pleases the lord
AMEN!!!
Question: does anyone here keep God's commands perfectly?
Answer: Nope!
OK so all who don't keep the law are worthy of death according to the bible and if one base their salvation on keeping the law and don't keep it then they are not saved becase they have broken God's law..
GB

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