Fellow Brothers, Sisters, Pastors and Lawyers, I would like us to delibrate on this Topic, either in support or Against with Bible refrences, should a woman , married or unmarried be addressed as an Apostle or a Bishop?

Secondly, should a woman head a church where there are other qualified pastors or ministers in the same church?

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Pastor, you are right. Though I have not thrown nasty words, insults, or anything out that I regret saying (at least, for now), for the sake of not arguing I'll take heed to your advice. I say this STILL, however: ACTS 5:33-40 is a scripture that should stand here.
Who were you referring to, Moreh? Marquiese?


Sorry sister, but it aint that simple. It never was. NO Biblical doctrine came about without much time and debate except when GOD Himself wrote with HIS own finger. Apparently, you all haven't seen and heard of the hindrances and hardships of women in ministry. Such debates and decisions to place women in leadership positions have actually split denominations in two. This is a situation similiar to Acts 15, see what bonds and requirements are there to be placed on the people.
Once again, Sister Alkhalia, has hit it.

Seriously deep ? can any of us answer
Well as you can see brother I did say "GET BACK TO TORAH" and let your doctrines be!

By the proper wording, doctrine means "teaching". So you literally want me to stop my teachings? I teach that a woman, such as yourself, should NEVER be hindered to step out and do GOD's will, or else the person would be stand against the very hand of GOD Himself (ACTS 5:33-40). Would you want me to stop my "teaching"?

I'm Hebrew & I'm Pentecostal & if it's NOT found in makes no difference!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Pentecostal" is not only Christian, but not even found in Torah. And you're from the line of Ham, not Shem.

You can have all the doctrines you want to have but honestly there are people within ministry who ACT as Pastors and Leaders that I would not listen to not because they weren't anointed but moreso because I'm not in the mood to deal with all their extra foolishness!!!

Some people are called to address the fool and their foolishness, others are called to avoid it. Just like some people are called to fight crime, and the rest are calling the cops. We all play our role.

You may say what you wish to say about all these doctrines but there is something that you pointed out "debate except when HaShem Himself wrote with HIS own finger," it would do many of us well to point out that we don't do what HaShem has appointed for us to do as He has established the order!

We want to develop a doctrine around what HaShem teaches and then not study it from the proper light of exegesis based directly from Torah!

You can have 2000000000000 doctrines but if they are based on influences not found in Torah but instead upon greek have NOTHING but a bunch of people who agree on some fabrication!

Very true, hence the reason for this very discussion!

And I know the struggles, I'm a Consecrated Bishop, I'm a woman, and I was born neither totally male or female...surely I know what the struggle is the question is do you?

In hospitals, I have seen patients fight against the very doctors that are paid and taught to help them and save them from dying. In the hood, black folks fight against and curse the very cops that they will have to call for help when they get robbed or shot at. WHY ON EARTH are you coming against ME of all people???? ME, the person whose says "people like you, if chosen by GOD, are good enough to minister", and yet the challenging comments come my way? Friendly fire is crazy!! Refer your comments to those that would openly oppose you and not those who openly stand up for you, Bishop.

Finally..if it has split denominations...just maybe PEOPLE need to get over their ego trips and just live in harmony!

My ministry calling is literally to help bring unity and order to the Body of Christ by shedding light on dark subjects and exposing error of understanding. Just saying "just live in harmony" and just saying "get over their ego trips" is not enough. "In all thy getting, get understanding", "but how shall they hear without a preacher?"
My sister, my standpoints are clear here:

-Be it male or female, if one is called to a ministerial office by GOD, NO MATTER WHAT OFFICE, they are not to be hindered in any way or for any reason other than for the need of training, or repentance. They hold the position that women cannot hold the office that you yourself hold currently.
-The Word Christian in Talmudic Hebrew literally mean "Nazarene" or "Nazarite", named after our LORD JESUS of Nazareth. I'm a Christian because I'm a disciple of the LORD, not Pentecostal which is the disciple of a certain event.
-to be Pentecostal was not found in scripture, but the first saints took pride in being called Christian.

I'm not here to sow discord either. I am just wondering why you are directing comments towards me, the one who is literally standing defending your right to minister.
Romans 7:6 (New King James Version)

But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 8:30 (New King James Version)

Moreover, whom HE predestined, these HE also called, whom HE called, these HE also justified, and whom HE justified, these HE also glorified.
Does that mean I can walk in the flesh too?? Is adultery part of the law? Is fornication, is drunkenness, is murder, is hate, is homosexuality, is lasciviousness, is blaspheming God, etc... Since as you say since we are not bound to the law. Thought Jesus said:

Mat 5:17 "Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil."

Rom 7:1 Or are ye ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the law), that the law hath dominion over a man for so long time as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman that hath a husband is bound by law to the husband while he liveth; but if the husband die, she is discharged from the law of the husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while the husband liveth, she be joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet:
Rom 7:8 but sin, finding occasion, wrought in me through the commandment all manner of coveting: for apart from the law sin is dead.

One of the reasons why I love to check those who bring in just one verse to justify their own agenda...
OK, and....? Those verse are about marriage. This discussing was originally about women in leadership.

You also mentioned chapter 7, yet you neglected to flow properly into chapter 8 as the lady did. In other words, you went backwards! So, your point would be...?


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