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In Light of The 9 Gifts of The Spirit: Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith, Healing, Miracles, Prophecy, Discerning of Spirits, Tongues and Interpretation of Tongues according 1 Corinthians 12:8-10...Do you believe that "Speaking in Tongues" is the first evidence of being filled with The Holy Ghost?
wouldnt you agree the spirits groaning for Our adoption as sons should be first before a person becomes a witness. if one hasnt experienced the life changing work of the spirit, resulting in being born again. what is he or she being a witness of. doesnt a witness first need to a christian.. (study the doctrine of regeneration)
Being Transformed and being Empowered to be a witness for The Lord are two different things. Study The Gifts of The Spirit - 1 Corinthians 12:1-11
Remember what Jesus said to The Saved Apostles: Acts 1:4-5
And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but WAIT for THE PROMISE OF THE FATHER, which saith He, ye have heard or me. For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with The Holy Ghost not many days hence.
We understand, The Apostles witnessed before this statement, but Jesus told them to WAIT for Empowerment (The Baptism of The Holy Ghost).
Please study The Doctrine of Baptisms according to Hebrews 6:2
God Bless you Brother, and thanks so much for your input.
you failing to see the answer to your question isnt tongues its being born again....
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; in (His) Name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues...-Mark 16:16-17
What is The Sign for being Born Again?
(A Sign that Believers and Un-believers can Identify.)
A TRUE PROPHET'S FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT ATTRIBUTE WHICH MAKES HIM A PROPHET. IS TO LISTEN..ALSO TO READ WHAT THE WORDS TRULY SAY..IF HE CANT OR WONT LISTEN..THEN HOW CAN HE HEAR FROM GOD? SECOND..HE IS HUMBLE..MEANING SOME THINGS SHOULD NOT BE SAID..HE SHOULD HAVE DISCERMENT WHEN TO BE QUIET.. AND THIRD IF HE THINKS THAT HE IS NEVER WRONG.WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL ALONE..EVERYNIGHT WHEN I LAY ON MY BED AND GO THROUGH MY DAY AND I ASK GOD IF AND HOW I FELL SHORT, HE TELLS ME..HE HAS NEVER SAID TO ME..YOU ARE A PROPHET AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE RIGHT. THAT EVEN SOUNDS LUDACRIS..SO IN ALL OF OUR WISDOM WE MUST GET UNDERSTANDING..IF WE TRULY THINK THAT WE ALREADY KNOW IT ALL...THEN WHAT DO WE NEED GOD FOR? SO LETS HUMBLE OURSELVES ALSO BEFORE GOD AND OTHERS..LETS TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO OTHERS..AND WHEN WE READ LETS STUDY TO SHOW OURSELVES APPROVED.
i agree prophetess and i encourage you to side with scripture.
Using The Scripture you provided...
James 1:8- High-lights the fact that Man has free-will. Just read James 1:6- But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering...
1 Peter 1:3- High-lights the fact that Man has free-will. Just read "...begotten us again uto a LIVING HOPE by the resurrection of Jesus Christ..." Remember, Faith is the substance of things Hoped For. Dead Hope is having Faith is Worldly things, While Living Hope is having Faith is Jesus!
Lastly, John 3:3-8 High-lights the fact that Man has free will. Just read "...Ye must be Born-again!" Why would Jesus need to tell people they "Must be Born-again." if it just happens. The Holy Spirit does not "hit you over the head" and causes you to Repent and Be Born-again against your will!!
If there was no Free-will, why is there a Hell for Wicked People. According to your logic, wicked people do not have a choice either!
"...Choose you this day whom you will serve!!!..."- Joshua 24:15
God Bless you brother.
Pastor James, wicked people DO have a choice, they can choose to sin, but because of nature they cannot choose righteousness. Mankind deserves Hell, but God in His Grace has decreed to save some for His Glory. Salvation has to be a gift of Grace or else sinful humanity could NEVER experience it. This ought to result in Praise and Thanksgiving that the Holy God would even choose to save some. Thanks be to God.
Yes Wicked people do have the choice to Repent, there's many examples in the Bible.
Wicked people or Mankind can not be righteous on their own, it's not in their nature as you correctly pointed out, However The Bible says Abraham believed God and it was "counted" unto him for righteousness! Paul highlights this in Romans 4:3
Abraham Choose to believe God, and God counted it unto him for righteousness! This applies to all Believers, Old and New Testament! "...he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him!" - Hebrews 11:6
Did you choose to believe God, or did He make you believe Him?
Did you choose to diligently seek Him, or did He make you seek Him?
The Bible is clear, You choose to Repent, God has made that Pathway possible!
The Bible is clear, You choose to Recieve Jesus, God has made that Pathway possible!
The Bible is clear, You choose to Praise Him, God has made that Pathway possible!
I choose to open the Bible and have a chat with you, but God has enabled me to put my thoughts together, type it out, and enjoy the exchange!!! We can't do nothing without Him, but He has allowed us to choose many things, including where we will spend Eternity! The Choose is Your!!!
Thanks be to God, He didn't make us Robot!!!
Pastor James a couple of thoughts in response. You asked....Did you choose to believe God, or did He make you believe Him?....."
First off we need to be clear, salvation is NOT a choice. Man does not stand between two great options as some neutral bystander. "Hmmm, do I choose God or do I choose the devil". "Do I choose Heaven, or Hell". We've bought into some mythology that teaches Heaven or Hell is a choice. The reality is this, Mankind is born on the road to Hell. NO ONE ever makes a choice to go to Hell. Jesus makes this clear in the parable of the "Two gates" (Matt 7:13-14). All humanity because of imputed sin is headed for divine judgement (Rom 6:23). The gracious, undeserved gift of God is Salvation from this deserved fate, which He dispenses on whomever He pleases (Rom 9). I did NOT choose God, He chose me (John 15:16). In fact Ephesians 1 teaches that He chose us, When? In ETERNITY past (Before the foundation of the world). In real time He grants me the gift of Repentance which impacedt my will so that I continually believe. The Idea of Choosing Christ for salvation is NOT biblical. You can choose many things but salvation is NOT one of them. No James, we're NOT robots whereby He programs us, rather we are totally depraved humans who have been impacted in all phases of our personality by sin, so much so, that If God doesn't act on our behalf none of us could or would be saved.
Pastor James this "we can choose God" theology is dangerous because the logical fallout is this: If we can choose God and gain salvation, therefore we can unchoose God and lose Salvation. NEITHER of these views is Biblical. Nor is neither of these views Helpful.
Pastor James you also stated, "....The Bible is clear, You choose to Repent, God has made that Pathway possible!
The Bible is clear, You choose to Recieve Jesus, God has made that Pathway possible!
Exactly rhere does the Bible teach these things? We have bought into a theology that Is not biblical. Pragmatic! just NOT biblical.
As the people of God Our job is to not worry about who or who is not elect. Our job is to preach the Gospel to every creature and God promised to draw all those he has called to Himself.
Salvation is Not a partnership
Salvation is Not a democracy
Salvation is a sovereign dictatorship
Salvation is something that Mankind will choose to Recieve or Reject.
(-Refer to The Ministries of John The Baptist and Then Jesus Christ according to The 4 Gospels.)
Man does stand between two options, but you are "Reaching" when you hint that Man's position is that of a neutral Bystander. He is not...he is stained by Sin.
(-Refer to the Ministries of Joshua, Elijah and The Book of James, refering to a double minded man.)
It is Heaven or Hell.
(-Refer to examples in The Bible, that show The Deciever, Satan and all of Mankind that follow him.)
Even though Mankind is born on the road to Hell as you correctly state, he was not created to go on the road to Hell. Mankind was created to be born on the road to Heaven! And so God will and has repaired that road to Himself, and Calls out (draws) all men who "Desire" to return back to the road we were created for.
Remeber Enoch, I got to write this one out!!!
Genesis 5:24- Enoch walked with God: and he was not: for God took him.
Hebrews 11:5- Enoch was translated that he should not see death: and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Yes it's true...before Abraham, The Law, The Prophets, The Cross and Pentecost...Mankind choose to "Please" God and God made a way to Save Man!!! Was Enoch forced to please God??? Enoch was also born on this road to Hell...yet Enoch desired Heaven, God made a way, and Enoch Choose that way!!! for simple, and biblical!!!!
Hell bent Christians are dangerous! I would encourage Christians to be Heaven bent! I'm a Heaven bent Believer and proud of it!!!! I choose to be a Heaven bent Believer!!!
Lastly, You ask "Exactly where does the bible teach these things" I can show you hundreds examples, but let us focus on one.
Matthew 5:29- Jesus says "And if you right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
No matter if "plucking out the eye" is symbolic or an real act...Jesus is telling his disciples that there is something they can do to advoid Hell!!!
SOMETHING YOU CAN DO TO ADVOID HELL...THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF CHOICE...FREE-WILL...MAN CREATED FOR HEAVEN AND NOT HELL!!!
Bringing up the subject of "The Elect" will only water-down the discussion of "FREE-WILL". After this subject is aired out according to Scripture, I'd be more than glad to discuss "The Elect" or "The doctrine of Election".
Salvation is something that Mankind can choose to Recieve or Reject.
No matter how you frame it up...Man is not a robot, with some programs created to go to Hell and some programs created to go to Heaven.
God Bless you Brother Todd
Pastor James, i'm somewhat disappointed in your response. It seems that you're merely interested in defending your theology of man's free-will choice vs really looking at scripture from an exegetical viewpoint. Much of what was said was not dealt with. You stated that I was.... "Reaching" when you hint that Man's position is that of a neutral Bystander. He is not...he is...."
I never stated that man was "neutral". In fact my point was that man is NOT neutral (Read my post), therefore "CHOICE" is not an issue. The word Choose means to, "select from a number of possibilities". As I pointed out according to Matthew 7:13-14 mankind is not given this kind of choice. To be honest this unbiblical doctrine of Human choice as it relates to salvation is riddled with problems (1). It takes the focus off of God's grace and places it on the pride of man. For me, a sinful, dead sinner to say that "I chose God" is the height of arrogance and pride. (2). Human Choice undermines the doctrine of man's total depravity. If man can choose God or hell for that matter then man is NOT dead (Eph 2) he is merely "sick" or spiritually injured. (3). This doctrine makes light of the sovereignty of God. The doctrine of human choice related to salvation makes God passive. Can you imagine the Holy God waiting for man to make his choice, "oh, please people, pick me". (4). This teaching undermines the doctrine of salvific security. If I can choose to be saved, I can choose to be unsaved, right?
(5). Because the doctrine of human choice related to salvation is not biblical,l it forces bible teachers who teach this doctrine to betray the principles of sound biblical interpretation. In other words these teachers end up "eisegeting" scripture versus "exegeting" the text. A good example of this kind of eisegesis is the scriptural texts that you used to defend your position (e.g., Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5; Matt 5:29). These versus have nothing to do with our discussion. Do you believe that it was Enoch's "free-will" choice to be translated? Do you believe that if a person plucks out an eye, he/she will be qualified for heaven?
Until He comes