Is The Nation of Islam A Christian Organization - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T14:50:39Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/is-the-nation-of-islam-a?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A1252706&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBruthaRichardson
if the qura…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-25:916966:Comment:12687602010-03-25T00:11:40.830ZBruthaPharoahhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/BruthaPharoah
BruthaRichardson<br />
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if the quran says (not islam) that the plain command of god is in the torah, then it is right<br />
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<i><b>theologically flawed</b></i>.-my brutha my brutha theology is flawed<br />
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<i><b>A Christian is a follower of Jesus the Christ or Messiah, according to the Torah this Moshiach is Jewish, according to the New Testament or Brit Chadasha is Jewish, thus Christians are followers of G-d's Word as is strictly defined as the scriptures from Moses to John</b></i><br />
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i posted this sura, just…
BruthaRichardson<br />
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if the quran says (not islam) that the plain command of god is in the torah, then it is right<br />
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<i><b>theologically flawed</b></i>.-my brutha my brutha theology is flawed<br />
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<i><b>A Christian is a follower of Jesus the Christ or Messiah, according to the Torah this Moshiach is Jewish, according to the New Testament or Brit Chadasha is Jewish, thus Christians are followers of G-d's Word as is strictly defined as the scriptures from Moses to John</b></i><br />
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i posted this sura, just read it slower this time<br />
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the 5th sura/Al-Maeda(45) And <u><b>in their footsteps We sent Jesus</b></u> the son of Mary, <u><b>confirming the law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the law that had come before him:</b></u> a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.<br />
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further..............<br />
God tranlated from elohym, plural ,or plural intensive<br />
but eloah in it's singlar form elahh in aramric<br />
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strong's concordance<br />
H426 'elahh (Aramaic) el·ä' God, god<br />
H430 'elohiym el·ō·hēm' God, god, judgeHebrew israelite , GOD, goddess, great, mighty, angels, exceeding, God-ward, godly<br />
H433 'elowahh el·ō'·ah God, god<br />
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further .......<br />
i do not follow islam or the practice thereof .<br />
my point being as christian teachings does not match the bible it is taught from<br />
so be it with the teachers of the quran,islamic teaching doe not match the writing of the quran<br />
as for the misinterptation of the scripture he is not the israelite he cannot discern scripture, without the israelite, so he could not discern who Yahshua(Jesus) was ,the same with the rest of the world ,love 'em as the lamb, but know not he is going to return as a loin<br />
mumammad understood that the book was entrusted to the jews "truth" ,he knew Moshe(moses) brung the law & yahshua ,brung the gospel(goodnews) of the kingdom"truth" ( in which muhummad clearly held superior, than his writing)<br />
shoot~ if you think about it he knew more than your average christian<br />
whether you know it or not the lord got business to do on this earth ,and has told us that he will strike thru kjngs Making it more than obvious that he maketh kings to reign (we need our people to get there head out of the clouds and down on the thing coming upon earth ) do you see the war brewing between the the jewish & the muslim world, how much of this which we see will pay a part in all nation gathering to battle in the middle east? or how big apart do you think the MostHigh is playing in all this?<br />
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Luke 12:9-10 (King James Version)<br />
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9But <u><b>he that denieth me</b></u> before men <u><b>shall be denied before the angels of God</b></u>.<br />
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10And <u><b>whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him</b></u>: but unto him that <u><b>blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven</b></u><br />
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John 10:16 (King James Version)<br />
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<u><b>16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.</b></u><br />
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9.Romans 13:10<br />
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore <u><b>love is the fulfilling of the law</b></u>.<br />
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10.Galatians 5:14<br />
For all <u><b>the law is fulfilled in one word</b></u>, even in this; Thou shalt <u><b>love</b></u> thy neighbour as thyself. the 5th sura/Al-Maeda(42) But…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-22:916966:Comment:12654822010-03-22T23:15:54.476ZBruthaPharoahhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/BruthaPharoah
the 5th sura/Al-Maeda(42) But why do they come to thee for decision when <u><b>they have (their own) Torah before them?― Therein is the (plain) Command of Allah</b></u>; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) people of Faith.<br />
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there in the Torah is the Plain command of Eloah(Allah)<br />
this is surely saying the Torah is the instruction of the Most High making it a testimony to the truth established well before the coran was written<br />
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(43) It was We who…
the 5th sura/Al-Maeda(42) But why do they come to thee for decision when <u><b>they have (their own) Torah before them?― Therein is the (plain) Command of Allah</b></u>; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) people of Faith.<br />
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there in the Torah is the Plain command of Eloah(Allah)<br />
this is surely saying the Torah is the instruction of the Most High making it a testimony to the truth established well before the coran was written<br />
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further........<br />
(43) It was We who <u><b>revealed the Torah (to Moses); therein was guidance</b></u> and light. By its standard have been judged <u><b>the Jews</b></u>, by <u><b>the Prophet</b></u> who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by <u><b>the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book</b></u>, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My Signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.<br />
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in the jew was entrusted the "Most Highs" Book<br />
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the 5th sura/Al-Maeda(45) And <u><b>in their footsteps We sent Jesus</b></u> the son of Mary, <u><b>confirming the law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light</b></u>, and confirmation of the law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.<br />
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My point in this post is<br />
Christian= follower of Christ<br />
Muslim=1 who submitts his/her will to God<br />
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according to the Quran the muslim should be christians (followers of Christ)<br />
according to the bible we should be muslims(1 who submitts his/her will to God)<br />
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the world would have you believe there is a separation, there isn't<br />
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they will all bow to the abomination of dsolation<br />
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2TheNcrease of Knowledge&Truth-BruthaPharoah HELLOtag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-22:916966:Comment:12650682010-03-22T12:05:43.341ZCoe Terrence Bass Sr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CoeTerrenceBassSr
HELLO
HELLO hellotag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-21:916966:Comment:12643352010-03-21T22:47:41.544Zparis mcclainhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/parismcclain
hello
hello Farrakhan actually claimed.To…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-21:916966:Comment:12643142010-03-21T22:17:07.715Zmarkwinfield1https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/markwinfield1
Farrakhan actually claimed.To be a Christian?
Farrakhan actually claimed.To be a Christian? alright les..................…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-15:916966:Comment:12583362010-03-15T22:33:10.333ZCoe Terrence Bass Sr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CoeTerrenceBassSr
alright les..................good<br />
no one attacked you personally, or tried to make a point by attacking you.<br />
maybe you should read your post on this topic and see if what your getting is in response to what you have put out.<br />
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i agree lets get back to topic and i believe we all agree on that
alright les..................good<br />
no one attacked you personally, or tried to make a point by attacking you.<br />
maybe you should read your post on this topic and see if what your getting is in response to what you have put out.<br />
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i agree lets get back to topic and i believe we all agree on that No need to apologize you'll e…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-15:916966:Comment:12583082010-03-15T21:18:23.866ZLester Demings Jrhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/lesterdemingsjr
<b>No need to apologize you'll end up doing it again lol forgiving people is what I do.<br />
I don't have a problem with anyone that disagrees with me but if you disagree with me and try and get negatively personal with their disagreement- THAT is what I have an issue with.<br />
I don't have a weak heart so I can take disagreement but I will not have someone trying to get personal and attack me to make a point. There are many people I have disagreed with on this site but they yet have respect for me and…</b>
<b>No need to apologize you'll end up doing it again lol forgiving people is what I do.<br />
I don't have a problem with anyone that disagrees with me but if you disagree with me and try and get negatively personal with their disagreement- THAT is what I have an issue with.<br />
I don't have a weak heart so I can take disagreement but I will not have someone trying to get personal and attack me to make a point. There are many people I have disagreed with on this site but they yet have respect for me and I respect them to the fullest. If people would look at my message and not concern themselves with the messenger there would be no misunderstandings.<br />
Now, how about we get back to the topic and get off me?!<br />
I love the attention but Jesus should be our focus not me- I couldn't bear the burden that Jesus has to.</b> that is truly amazing, no dis…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-15:916966:Comment:12583022010-03-15T21:04:45.945ZCoe Terrence Bass Sr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CoeTerrenceBassSr
that is truly amazing, no disrespect intended. i stand by what I have posted also.<br />
i have seen many who made the same statement 'I have a koran" and i repeat skimming through its pages , and living the life of a muslim is two different things.<br />
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you seem to have a problem when people disagree with you as vehemently as you disagree with them.<br />
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you speak of a double standard.......have you set the standard on these matters, and is your standard the best standard for us all.<br />
no one has even…
that is truly amazing, no disrespect intended. i stand by what I have posted also.<br />
i have seen many who made the same statement 'I have a koran" and i repeat skimming through its pages , and living the life of a muslim is two different things.<br />
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you seem to have a problem when people disagree with you as vehemently as you disagree with them.<br />
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you speak of a double standard.......have you set the standard on these matters, and is your standard the best standard for us all.<br />
no one has even mentioned you having degrees you brought that up, and titles also were mentioned by you.<br />
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like i said before.......i have heard you say that you were delivered from homosexuality,<br />
now how can i take the persons opinion about a homosexual lifestyle that has never lived it or been delivered from it over yours.<br />
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likewise there are those who have been delivered from the noi i would think that their experience goes beyond what you or I think because they have lived it.<br />
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now many have seen homosexuals saved and delivered, and also people in the NOI have come to the Lord.................so what makes your way biblical and better<br />
how many have you seen saved and delivered as a result of your personal ministry with them?<br />
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You sound like a young man that loves God but you forget that there are others who love him just like you do , and by the way I DO HAVE THE TRUE SPIRIT OF GOD.<br />
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just because we disagree in areas does it mean that we have not the Holy Ghost and you do.<br />
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i repeat that i also stand by what I have written , and no disrespect intended .<br />
now if I have offended you believe me as a man of God and your brother in Christ I TRULY APOLOGIZE.<br />
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remember this though the same compassion you expect from others and the same respect you want shown to you is the same respect you should give to others even if you disagree with them. Sir, I am not concerned with…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-15:916966:Comment:12583012010-03-15T21:01:52.143ZLester Demings Jrhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/lesterdemingsjr
<b>Sir, I am not concerned with having pieces of paper to prove my worth. Having Jesus in my life and allowing God to get glory out of my life is what MY life is about. If you choose to do that then let that be what YOU do and don't put that burden on me. I am very content and happy even joyful about where I am- especially knowing where I come from. These assumptions you make of me are laughable but seeing who you are its not hard to believe.<br />
Next, I am not "in love" with the NOI nor do I…</b>
<b>Sir, I am not concerned with having pieces of paper to prove my worth. Having Jesus in my life and allowing God to get glory out of my life is what MY life is about. If you choose to do that then let that be what YOU do and don't put that burden on me. I am very content and happy even joyful about where I am- especially knowing where I come from. These assumptions you make of me are laughable but seeing who you are its not hard to believe.<br />
Next, I am not "in love" with the NOI nor do I promote them. I do however have state that their social responsibilities is what Jesus has told the CHURCH to do and they are not being done on a grand scale as they should be. I have a right to speak and I will continue to do so- seeing that I am not concerned with church politics.<br />
What I do want you to do is post to me where I stated that Farrakhan was Christian.<br />
I also want you to post to me where I stated that I agreed with Farrkhan when he stated he was a Muslim AND Christian.<br />
I also want you to post to me where I stated I wanted to be a Muslim or thinking of becoming a Muslim.<br />
I also want you to post to me where I stated I agreed with Islam and its religion, and beliefs.<br />
I await these posts that you say I've made AND if you can't find these I'll be ready to forgive you when you offer your apology.<br />
However, yes I am saying that only people who are unbiased in their thinking and filled with the spirit of love and the Spirit of God would understand the message I was truly saying.<br />
I don't long to be successful by the world's standards that's why some of the churches are broken and full of mess as they are now.<br />
My prayer is that I don't make God's name ashamed, that I live my life as pleasing to God as I can and that I do what God's will is for my life and that has nothing to do with the world and its standard for success.<br />
Lastly, I give what I get. You want respect then you give respect- plain and simple. If you weren't so biased and prideful then maybe you'd be able to see what I was saying overall INSTEAD of just jumping on one thing and beating it to death.</b> Better than what? pardon me B…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-15:916966:Comment:12582832010-03-15T20:31:37.418ZTarik Al-Hadi Hodgehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PastorTarikAlHadiHodge
Better than what? pardon me Bro. Lester, but you ask an awfull lot an give little in return! you assume that your lack of "15 degrees" is the source of ridicule; You gravitate toward the idea of "disrespect" when assumptions are made toward your "study of islam" is marginalized yet you have no problem at all marginalizing "church folk" to wit you claim to be one...as having a "double standard??? You use strong words like "Hate" when it does not line up with your way of thinking? and I am not…
Better than what? pardon me Bro. Lester, but you ask an awfull lot an give little in return! you assume that your lack of "15 degrees" is the source of ridicule; You gravitate toward the idea of "disrespect" when assumptions are made toward your "study of islam" is marginalized yet you have no problem at all marginalizing "church folk" to wit you claim to be one...as having a "double standard??? You use strong words like "Hate" when it does not line up with your way of thinking? and I am not sure of the last paragraph; are you supposing that an alliance with the NOI is some how edifying to the Church? are you subscribing to the idea that Farrakhan is a Christian and a Muslim? and I hope you are not asserting that having a Quaran makes you an expert on NOI? I don't even think that they believe the Quaran (else they would follow it and get saved...like I did) Is it your belief that only the people filled with the Holy Spirit will see things your way?<br />
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Dear Sir, I did not know that you did not have college degrees (as you put it) I do not have hatred in my heart toward you or the NOI; and I certainly did not know that you were a spokesman for the NOI. I do know that as a member for 13 years; there are alot of things that you think you might be able to find out by reading the Quaran, but when you compare the two the differences are imeasurable. That not withstanding; Unless you are a spokesman for the NOI; I fail to see what is making you argue so passionate about the NOI? When I was a member I did not go around calling myself a Christian, I preached against Christianity! When I was a muslim I did not go around telling people that the Bible was sacred; I told people that the book was tainted by Geopolitical influences, the changing of languages and the influencesof pagens in the midst of the early developmental stages of the Church; I was 9 years old, do you think I invented that myself? I was taught that! When I was witnessing in the parks of Chicago do you think I told people that muslims and christians were just a like? no heck no! I told little boys and girls and their parents that Allah was God and that he needed no help, it was not his will take unto him a son! does that sound Christain to you! I used listen to Farrakhans records as a little boy, mi daddy was a minister in the NOI! there is nothing that you can say to convince any reasonable human being that the NOI are Christians that argument makes no sence at all! and you should be ashamed of yourself for even making it! in fact its stupid! now, people on this forum are trying to help you not make the same stupid mistake that so many others have made! and you are busy "being disrespected" look! I was born in the Nation "the first book I learned to read was the quaran, the second was "message to the Black Man" the third was "How to eat to live" when I was 6 years old my father took me with him to sell the Muhammed Speaks' you can't study what others have lived and have a foundation to build an argument! when I was twelve I had a choice - Muhammed or Christ: I chose Christ! You have a choice: Farrakhan or Christ? you can't have both! there diometrically apposed to each other!!!! Now, you remind me alot of myself; I felt self consience about not having a degree...you can change that; if it takes one class at a time; you can get all the dregrees you want; when my family was homeless; I was forced out of school; that set me on a course of life that did not allow me to get a HD much less a degree...however; I "enrolled" and got my GED now I am just a few classes from getting my B.Theo; and in two years my Masters...it takes time; but if that's what you long for; it can be done; but most of all, stay away from Farrakhan, NOI, Islam, Budha and all the rest...Lol!<br />
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Peace and Love,<br />
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Pastor Hodge