Now is this tight but right ,( In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.)


When did God ordain so many women too speak as we see today? Was this mandate changed somewhere in the Word (For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.) (For I am the LORD, I change not).

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SIster Harris, Why don't you read what God says about women teaching?
Elder Max Spiegel,
--- I still havent seen any scripture to support women in leadership in church. Or acting of oneself no headship or dominating men under there pastorship.


i think this is a matter of overstanding, and we as the people of God should be forever mindful of the true church of God is build up in the hearts of the believers the true believers and no building ,no denomination,no congregation, Nay insteaad it's three in this congegration ,two in your building,seven in that denomination(not literally ,an xsample)

i think where paul was, as well as who he was writing to, played a part in what he said,at any rate two or three witnesses are not present,also one can argue paul was to testifie not instruct (not my arguement)

ultimatily the lord did call on our sista to teach and every man will learn at hand of a woman ,i personallly think there are some sista's out there well worthy to stand and push this truth,(and should they hold they're tung) should they not at every opportunity spread the truth, yes they should. also take in to concideration how many sista is bring 'em in to the church to even heard the pastor,

and acts 2;17, is sound in joel 2:28 stand as a witness
key word in 831 DOMINATE
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
(It was understood that the commandment was meant for them both, For when God spoke to Adam he was also speaking to the rib thereof. So although Eve was not on the scene, she was liable, but Adam was responsible, for he was her teacher)
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Genesis 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Genesis 5:1 ¶ This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Ge 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Do you not agree that women are the female of our species? Can we agree that our species is called man? In this case, I submit that a woman is a female man. It was not God who named the woman thusly, it was Adam. God took her from man. She was man which came from man. She was his counterpart. She was an extended version of who he was. God never intended for them to be separate. They were one flesh. God called their name Adam. It was Adam who called her name Eve, for identification purposes. But God does not need this identification system as we do. He can call us all Adam and still not be confused about who he is speaking of. Adam is the man being judged for sin. Christ, the second Adam is the man being forgiven for sin. So when I am surnamed after Christ I escape the penalty of sin wrought by the first Adam. According to the flesh, I am indeed Adam in the sight of God. This is why salvation is available to me. But according to a reborn spirit, I am Christ; not to say, I am The Christ, but that I am named after him. For I bear his name, and this is why access is granted unto me. Women are equal to men. Only men are given the headship. But if women can learn, what sin is there if they should teach what they have learned. If they have learned it, they learned it from men. Now on a personal note:
Elder Spiegel, I perceive you to be a reasonable man. Do you really agree with Hezekiah Ben Israel? Seems like the brotha's got some real issues with women preaching and teaching. I wonder who taught him to read, or even to spell his name? Who taught him The Lord's Prayer. I should hope it wasn't a woman...Lol.
Acts 2:17-18 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Joel 2:28-29 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.


My dear brother yes Holy Ghost filled daughters of Zion shall prophesy, prophesy is not leading.
Also i do believe( of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. ) they should only testify of JESUS.

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