Preaching in adultery! - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T21:13:24Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/preaching-in-adultery?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A907397&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHow can the blind lead the bl…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-12-21:916966:Comment:18251922010-12-21T22:23:59.349ZMin. LaMale Williamshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/MinLaMaleWilliams256
<p>How can the blind lead the blind less they both fall into a ditch. If you don't have what it takes to get to heaven, how are you going to preach and show someone else how to get there? We as leaders in the church must set an example. Sinners think if they see us doing wrong, they can do wrong. Even though it is WRONG! Granted, sinners and new converst shouldn't use that as an excuse because the bible says that every man must be persuaded by there own mind. Everyone must stand before the…</p>
<p>How can the blind lead the blind less they both fall into a ditch. If you don't have what it takes to get to heaven, how are you going to preach and show someone else how to get there? We as leaders in the church must set an example. Sinners think if they see us doing wrong, they can do wrong. Even though it is WRONG! Granted, sinners and new converst shouldn't use that as an excuse because the bible says that every man must be persuaded by there own mind. Everyone must stand before the judgement seat of christ. Poeple of God it starts with us. For the bible says that judgement will start in the house of god. And for every person claiming to be saved sanctified and filled with the holyghost that has led somone the wrong way has to give account for the life.</p>
<p>God is calling the church out of this comprimising doctrine. He said lay aside evry sin and weight that so easily beset us. Every sin must have its part in the lake of fire. What God says to one he says to all. He has no respect of persons. The scriptures are there and there is no excuse and excused! Pastors, overseers, bishops, apostles, ambassadors, preachers, deacons, mothers, laity, new converts and even sinners. Come out Come out Come out....No exceptions! </p> That's why we must deal with…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-12-18:916966:Comment:18236202010-12-18T08:02:20.806ZRodrick Glover ,Youth Speakerhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickGlover
<p>That's why we must deal with sexual immorality in the church because its our teens and this younger generation that is effected. These generational curses being passed down from pastors, parents, single adults, or the choir. The prosperity message is safe but when are we going to deal with sexual immorallity. We must clean house in the church. These sexual immoral demons will destroy a Pastor and the church sooner or later unless the are identified and rebuked in the name of Jesus. I'm…</p>
<p>That's why we must deal with sexual immorality in the church because its our teens and this younger generation that is effected. These generational curses being passed down from pastors, parents, single adults, or the choir. The prosperity message is safe but when are we going to deal with sexual immorallity. We must clean house in the church. These sexual immoral demons will destroy a Pastor and the church sooner or later unless the are identified and rebuked in the name of Jesus. I'm speaking on this issue with a presentation called the "Art of Loving Yourself" This session teach people how to identify Sexual Immorality and stop it before it affects the younger generation. <a href="http://www.motivations.ning.com">www.motivations.ning.com</a> Contact me and I will come to your church or city.<a target="_self" href="http://www.motivations.ning.com">http://www.motivations.ning.com</a> </p> NO, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP A PERS…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-11-23:916966:Comment:17910742010-11-23T21:14:36.067ZMINISTER PAULISA J PARROTThttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PAULISAJACKSONPARROTT
NO, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP A PERSON IN THEIR HOUSE, SOME PEOPLE OWN THERE CHURCH THEY ARE NOT IN A ORGANIZATION
NO, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP A PERSON IN THEIR HOUSE, SOME PEOPLE OWN THERE CHURCH THEY ARE NOT IN A ORGANIZATION AMENtag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-10-12:916966:Comment:16914602010-10-12T21:44:31.542Zdarlene wakefieldhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/darlenewakefield26
AMEN
AMEN amen===i understood that paul…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-10-12:916966:Comment:16914572010-10-12T21:42:42.854Zdarlene wakefieldhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/darlenewakefield26
amen===i understood that pauls weakness was physical==not sin===but the writer was equating sin with weakness===i just wanted to clarify that God told Paul that his grace was sufficient===weakness is weakness---i did not want to name any sins because of cause there is no measuring sin======but if a leader is sinnining and a leader knows what sin unto God is===and what weakness is===there is a difference=lets not play with words=there has to be accountability===i want to know==if a pastor/leader…
amen===i understood that pauls weakness was physical==not sin===but the writer was equating sin with weakness===i just wanted to clarify that God told Paul that his grace was sufficient===weakness is weakness---i did not want to name any sins because of cause there is no measuring sin======but if a leader is sinnining and a leader knows what sin unto God is===and what weakness is===there is a difference=lets not play with words=there has to be accountability===i want to know==if a pastor/leader is using his position to commit acts===of inequity---thats known sin===who is he accountable to-- here in the natural===what about the enablers ==those close to these leaders===that support them in their mess=====Paul was not talking about sin===we both know that======my point was if it is just weaknesses why throw them in a closet====men of God are men===also====if they would stop hiding some of their weaknesses--then maybe the gullible people that elevate them to near God-like status will be able to stop it now---------- I have three scriptures for y…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-10-12:916966:Comment:16909412010-10-12T13:20:00.697ZElder Louis Cherubinhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ElderLouisCherubin
I have three scriptures for you to study...<br />
Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.<br />
Psalm 32:5 I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah<br />
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.<br />
To die daily has…
I have three scriptures for you to study...<br />
Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.<br />
Psalm 32:5 I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah<br />
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.<br />
To die daily has nothing to do with sinning everyday. Thats ridicules. Read the scriptures that you may have eternal life. We may live in this flesh but we dont have to walk in the flesh. The bible says (not me) in Galations 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. If this was an impossible feat, why did he ask us to do it. You quoted a scripture that was miss interpreted as though it justifies any action past or present. When it say all have sinned, it only deals with the past. We are new creatures according to 2 Corinthians 5:17 - "Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things are passed away; behold, new things have come."<br />
If you are testifying for yourself, thats fine but dont think that we all have the same testimony, especially according to the Word of God. God bless my friend. Walk in the spirit. That was a good thought, but…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-10-12:916966:Comment:16909282010-10-12T12:49:11.174ZElder Louis Cherubinhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ElderLouisCherubin
That was a good thought, but let's clear up somethings first. Although, there maybe a difference between weakness and sin, there is a difference to what you are weak too. All weakness is not equal. There is weakness to sin and weakness through spiritual or physical attacks not related to sin such as sickness. Paul was not battling with a homosexual spirit; nor was he battling with any lust; he was not being tried for his struggle with sin. God would not allow that. He was dealing with a…
That was a good thought, but let's clear up somethings first. Although, there maybe a difference between weakness and sin, there is a difference to what you are weak too. All weakness is not equal. There is weakness to sin and weakness through spiritual or physical attacks not related to sin such as sickness. Paul was not battling with a homosexual spirit; nor was he battling with any lust; he was not being tried for his struggle with sin. God would not allow that. He was dealing with a sickness (read the rest of the scripture you quoted in 2 Cor. 12:9 - "Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my <b>infirmities</b>, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."). If you read James 1:13-15 "<i>Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."</i> <b>If</b> it had anything to do with sin, with Paul's sincerity, God would have delivered him. God would not allow Paul or anyone to continue to wallow in sin and say "My grace is sufficient for thee:for my strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS". That would not make sense. Weakness is not weakness. There are a lot of preachers that are going through a lot and has nothing to do with sin. For the others that there weakness is sin related need to step down and allow God to deliver them. I am not against my fellow brethren in Christ but I am against the acts being done by my fellow yoke-men. With that said, i am in agreement with the rest of what you shared. God bless it is true that the bible say…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-10-12:916966:Comment:16908752010-10-12T10:51:27.332Zdarlene wakefieldhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/darlenewakefield26
it is true that the bible says that we are to die daily==but closeet vs open===out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. broadcast or kept secret. We have to forget about what we show man vs what we can appropriately hide---if you are a leader living a double life that other life will leak into --affect----change===dictate---what you preach==tolerate===condemn===Leaders are called to a higher standard than lay people===we were not the ones wearing bells attached to our hems===if you…
it is true that the bible says that we are to die daily==but closeet vs open===out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. broadcast or kept secret. We have to forget about what we show man vs what we can appropriately hide---if you are a leader living a double life that other life will leak into --affect----change===dictate---what you preach==tolerate===condemn===Leaders are called to a higher standard than lay people===we were not the ones wearing bells attached to our hems===if you are called ---then you know the cost-----we die daily yes---there is a difference between weaknesses and practicing sin----Paul had a weakness that distressesed him--he prayed for it to be removed==while we know not what it was===nor should we===the Lord did and declared "My grace is sufficient for thee:for my strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS==WEAKNESS. The Lord did not say my Grace is sufficient for your sin===yes we all have weaknesses=====but there is a difference between weaknesses and sin====if your sin --even though it is closeted is harmful to the body of Christ then your calling is anti-thetical to your calling----Pastoring is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and it is to be used to edify==exhort==build up the body of Christ=======i say again weakness is weakness ---sin is against God===God makes no mistakes=====todays priests do not have to go through the physicial purification process that were required==when the priests entered the tabernacle---but there still must be a=spiritual preparation --a spiritual placing of bells around the hems of their garments== God said be Holy for i the Lord your God is Holy==the fear that the tabernacle priests felt when entering the inner court must be renewed. closeted vs open sin----while there are weaknessess we will still face in this adamic flesh---and we do die daily----and repentance is open to those who will partake----sin ===operated-- closeted ==or open====is sin---and it will affect your life===your decisions====your reaction to different situations---etc.====being called is a divine office---it is hard---it is costly----but most there are the victems===fallen leaders get up and write books and give trestimonies====and are welcomed back into the fold after they repent===but what about the victems that are strewn along the highways and byways of the leaders sinful journey==those that were overtaken when this person was in his/her sinful state====weaknesses are what they are=== but it is said each of us will have to give a personal account to GOD so don't condemn each other anymore. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not put an obstacle in another Christian's path=========there has to be accountabilty among the leadership===being charismatic and having a large following doesn't exclude you from being accountable===anyone in a position of authority that uses that position to misuse==abuse--take advantage of one who is weaker is going against what God has called them to do ===no matter what title is held=====weak areas are weak areas---i just hope there is not a confusion between weak areas and outright sin===leadership is a divine calling===accountibility is needed---requried===and should be upheld-----many pastors know ---have heard or even ministered to those that by rights should have been sat down===pulled to the side====rebuke===counseled=accountibility--===Thank God for God-------Yes he will show you up and out===Prayer helps-----but intervention is neccessary also==== AMEN AMEN AMEN
i hear you=whe…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-10-06:916966:Comment:16805682010-10-06T13:05:43.062Zdarlene wakefieldhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/darlenewakefield
AMEN AMEN AMEN<br />
i hear you=when i first became saved and did not know the word---i felt that i would follow and support my pastor even if he was caught flat out==i would even help the MAN OF GOD TO COVER UP HIS SIN==this was my response to a young lady that was talking about fallen pastors when i first became saved====but after reading the bible and comparing what i heard to what i read-BE HOLY---this was the word====accountability====a good word should not be a person taking the WORD AND MAKING…
AMEN AMEN AMEN<br />
i hear you=when i first became saved and did not know the word---i felt that i would follow and support my pastor even if he was caught flat out==i would even help the MAN OF GOD TO COVER UP HIS SIN==this was my response to a young lady that was talking about fallen pastors when i first became saved====but after reading the bible and comparing what i heard to what i read-BE HOLY---this was the word====accountability====a good word should not be a person taking the WORD AND MAKING IT ENTERTAINING=====IMMATURITY IN THE WORD====being feed and not ever reading for youself is the problem====if you read the Word---you won't know what God says about it-------but what will happen is someone will tell you what the feel or want GOD TO HAVE SAID ABOUT IT. When i remember my answer to that young lady =i shake my head and pray that some other person new to the faith will be enlightened before this thought settles into their spirit==========hungry people will eat==whatever they can get===yes we must pray for church leaders====but also there has to be accountibility===not perfection===but a perfecting of what we accept===gloss over==allow====it is still GOD'S WILL NOT OURS Amen
The truth of the matter…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-10-06:916966:Comment:16805322010-10-06T12:42:49.359Zdarlene wakefieldhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/darlenewakefield
Amen<br></br>
The truth of the matter is no matter if it is in the public or just confined to the members of the church and among the faternity of the pastoral brotherhood===whatever----there is one issue that is always glossed over----the lives of the people or persons that these sinning leaders affect------there may be 1000 in the church---that feel that their leader are great teachers===leaders===providers===but there happens to be 4 or 5 or even 1 that this leader has a sinful relation wit==h…
Amen<br/>
The truth of the matter is no matter if it is in the public or just confined to the members of the church and among the faternity of the pastoral brotherhood===whatever----there is one issue that is always glossed over----the lives of the people or persons that these sinning leaders affect------there may be 1000 in the church---that feel that their leader are great teachers===leaders===providers===but there happens to be 4 or 5 or even 1 that this leader has a sinful relation wit==h what do you do===well=== most will weigh the good of the 1000---therefore neglecting =the one who fell prey==do you discredit the person who has been affected----say they were old enough to know better== so its really their fault===we all have heard the many stories of leaders in the church having children out of wedlock===and the woman is made to leave in shame===sin among leaders---sex--drugs---lying stealing=====the offending pastors are exposed---forgiven and if expelled--but replanted in other churches=even called to do work-shops== be motivational speakers=writers of booksetc.====. but what happens to those who speak out====live out the abuse====there now is the growth of maybe a generation of those who mistrust the church===equating bad leaders ---with false Word---which results in mistrust of the Word --WHICH RESULTS IN SOULS NOT REACHED==AND STUMBLING OF THE ONE AFFECTED. remember there are weaknesses====there are issues of this adamic flesh====but there also is out and out iniquites committed because of title=position====favor --------until the BLACK WALL OF SILENCE COME DOWN --and the leadership hold their contemparies accountabile ==there will be no change======john 12:42===people are afraid of speaking out because they are afraid of being put out===shut out of the benefits of being different organizations====pastors know who is doing what==="SCATTERING SHEEP IS THE LEAST OF THE OFFENSE===DESTROYING ===SOMEONES FAITH====THE LORD WILL HANDLE THESE===BUT OUR LORD EXPECTS US TO WORK HERE ---IN JOHN17:15-HE DID NOT PRAY THAT WE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WORLD===WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SPEAK OUT---STOP THE SILENCE===THE GLOSSING OVER===IF :BE HOLY" NONLONGER FUNCTIONS IN THIS CENTURY LET IT BE KNOW====IF "BE HOLY IS NO LONGER A REQUIREMENT OF LEADERSHIP MAKE IT CLEAR