I'm not involved in any terrorist activity. My only concern with the National Defense Authorization Act was the same concern the President Administration had with the bill in the beginning & that's to protect American citizens from being subjected to indefinite detention. My major concern is that a new administration could come into office in the next 4 years & change the language of the bill. I been set-up before & I was arrested & detained without being charged. We can talk about the Miranda Rights Act & the right to a fair trail, but if you get someone in front of the right judge who is willing to play ball with a corrupt person in government than your United Stated Constitutional & Civil Rights can & will be taken away from you with extreme prejudice. It only takes one corrupt person in government to manipulate this bill & that can be done on suspicion by a corrupt agent or on the word of a paid federal informant. They have paid federal informants working with the CIA trying to track down terrorist. That's what's going on in Iran now & I hope the CIA agents being detained in Iran are brought home safely, but who's to say in future years that a corrupt agent in government working with a corrupt paid federal informant want manipulate the bill & detain an American citizen.
Does the President wanna go down in history as the President that legalized indefinite detention of American citizens without trial or cause? Imagine how that could be manipulated in the years to come. The Bill want be seen as an immediate threat to every American Constitutional Rights, but for a few, it very will could & who's gonna be watching out for the average American? I'm for the President & his Administration, but I have to get back to ya"ll on this one.
You got a bunch of terrorists running around.
Yea, than your life is in imminent danger. Look, by no stretch of the imagination am I a terrorist sympathizer & I have no problem with them going H.A.M on terrorist. The language is my concern because the Bill can & will be manipulated to target Americans other than the Americans that sympathize with terrorist. And than it's the many mistakes they can make. I have no doubt that Homeland Security, the FBI & the CIA can handle Americans that sympathize with terrorist groups.
Look, the FBI even distanced itself from the NYPD's own terrorist busts on the grounds that the alleged plots really didn't amount to serious threats. When the NYPD arrested Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh for plotting to blow up a synagogue, the FBI conveyed another "thanks, but no thanks" to the NYPD. In just a few months, that case has already begun to crumble as a grand jury declined to indict the men on hate-crime and terrorism conspiracy charges that carried potential life sentences without parole, indicting them on lesser state terrorism & possession charges instead.
The NYPD's characterization of the Pimentel plot also reeks of exaggeration and alarmism. A close examination of the details so far indicates that Jose Pimentel is yet another example of a growing group of idiot homegrown jihadists. Just to name a few:
Most successful terrorists operate with some degree of stealth. Pimentel was just the opposite, telegraphing his views for all to see on his now-defunct website. Pimentel's website advocated violence against American citizens, and even provided instructions for how to build an improvised explosive device. As a result, Pimentel easily popped up on authorities' radar screens.
Pimentel also slipped up when he chose to follow in the footsteps of Najibullah Zazi, Michael Finton, Hosam Smadi, Faisal Shahzad, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, Antonio Martinez and other like-minded homegrown wannabes who sought to bomb American targets. Of course, sophisticated explosives are nearly impossible to manufacture in the United States as the necessary precursor chemicals are not available to the general public. Indeed, outside of incidents involving pipe bombs, there has not been one successful terrorist bombing inside the United States since 9/11.
Pipe bombs, however, are the exception, as they are cheap and easy to make. Fortunately, they are also the explosive devices least likely to inflict mass casualties.
A quick perusal of YouTube will uncover dozens of clips of people detonating homemade pipe bombs. Pimentel was reportedly in the process of assembling three such devices -- although we are now learning that he struggled to make his pipe bombs, ultimately relying on the help of an NYPD confidential informant to construct the devices.
The mayor's office has released a video made by the NYPD of an automobile exploding after a device supposedly identical to Pimentel's detonated inside the vehicle. To the lay person watching that clip, it might seem terrifying. But a more careful examination reveals that unless you are inside the car or standing right next to it, the odds of you being killed by such an explosion are pretty slim.
According to NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly, Pimentel had managed to scrape down "over 700" match heads -- which usually utilize phosphorus as the active agent -- to manufacture his explosive material. Leaving aside the stupidity of scratching match heads when gunpowder works just as easily, fans of the Discovery Channel's Mythbusters might recall that the show's hosts failed to produce an explosion when they ignited one million match heads. The idea that the scrapings from 700 match heads dispersed across three pipe bombs would kill "a lot of people" is suspect at best.
The point isn't to give Pimentel or any other terrorist plotter a free pass because they're incompetent. Any terrorist who seeks to attack the United States ought to be behind bars. But let's be honest, if Pimentel really wanted to kill innocent Americans, he would have been able to murder far more with a single handgun than with several pipe bombs. Since 9/11, jihadist terrorists have managed to kill 15 Americans inside the homeland -- all in shooting incidents.
That statistic warrants repeating: Despite dozens of plots, homegrown jihadists have only managed to kill 15 people in the United States since 9/11 -- and 13 of those deaths were the result of one unstable soldier's shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas. Just to put this in perspective, more Americans have been killed here at home by contaminated cantaloupe in the past few months than have been killed by violent Islamic extremists in the past decade!
If the best the al Qaeda movement can do is to inspire terrorists that are the caliber of Jose Pimentel, the threat homegrown jihadists are likely to pose will be a lot like Faisal Shahzad's attempt to blow up Times Square: all boo, no boom.
KNOXVILLE, Tenn (WVLT) -- Vivian Wilson is your typical middle aged small business owner.
She works and shops at the Army Navy surplus store and she colors her hair.
According to the FBI's suspected terrorist screening list, she could be a terrorist. Now she could be sent to a military prison because of it.
"I think you have to have more proof before you start taking people," Vivian told us. "I don't want terrorists running around, nobody does."
It all stems from the Defense Authorization Bill, approved overwhelmingly by the Senate and House one week ago.
In it, a controversial provision that allows President Barack Obama to have the military arrest you without trial if they suspect you of working with terrorists.
It's one of the reasons Congressman John Duncan voted against the bill.
"I think US citizens, even ones I totally disagree with, shouldn't be held indefinitely," Duncan told us in a telephone interview. "Without the rights we usually give us citizens."
Here's where things can get confusing.
There's a section of the bill that specifically says "none of this shall effect any existing law".
Opponents of the bills say hold on, what is the existing law?
After 9/11, with the existence of Guantanamo Bay, President Bush and now President Obama cite the Geneva Convention; which says those "who belong to armed groups can be attacked at any time" and that "attempting to hide amongst civilians endangers the civilians." It also says "members of armed forces feigning civilian non-combat status are guilty of perfidy".
It's a lot of legalese that, to critics, means if you're a terrorist you aren't a civilian.
But there's no one definition of terrorist. The FBI has vague guidelines on how they relate to Military Surplus stores and recommends looking for these signs from customers.
Do they pay in cash? Dye their hair? Are they missing limbs, like arms or fingers? Or are they buying meals ready to eat in bulk?
Vivian tells us that last one is pretty common for her.
Senators Bob Corker and Lamar Alexander voted in favor of the bill. Alexander told us in an email "it will strengthen our ability to stop terrorism against the US."
Your name could be placed on the FBI's Terrorist Watch list as easy as a single source tip, as long as it is deemed credible, can lead to a name being placed on the watch list. A Justice Department audit of the government’s master list of known and suspected terrorists found errors and inconsistencies which would have allowed terrorists to enter the country undetected and would mistakenly identify innocent Americans as terrorists. “The new report confirms a widespread impression that the watch-list system still needs work,” said Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists’ Project on Government Secrecy. “Not only are too many innocent people being listed in error, some of the bad guys are not properly included.”
The National Counterterrorism Center which was created in 2004 to promote intelligence-sharing, evaluation and dissemination maintains the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE) system. It has been plagued with crippling technical problems. These include fundamental design flaws that made the data difficult or even impossible to search, its tendency to crash, the fact that “there is no fool proof way to ensure that only good data gets into the TIDE system and unqualified data stays out” and the failure to properly process tens of thousands of “potentially vital CIA messages.”
A single intelligence agency can receive 8,000 terrorism messages per day involving up to 15,000 names, and it “will be a challenge into perpetuity” for the Center to connect related threat information.
At the time when the name and biographical information of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be “underwear bomber,” were deposited in the TIDE system in 2009, it contained some 550,000 identities.
Abdulmutallab’s name was never moved to the master terrorist watch list, maintained by the FBI at the Terrorist Screening Center. The Terrorist Screening Database contains over a million names (including aliases) and nearly half a million identities. There are reportedly about 25,000 US citizens and legal permanent residents on the list.
The FBI decides on a daily basis who should be added to the names on the ‘no fly’ list, which are believed to be within the 5,000 to 8,000 range, or put on a list of about 14,000 names of “selectees” - people targeted for additional, time-consuming, airport screening whenever they attempt to fly. Stories abound of “misidentification” and other errors in these lists. People with the names “Robert Johnson,” “John Williams” and “Gary Smith” endure long delays at airports. Congressman John Lewis and Senator Edward Kennedy both were on a “selectee” list at one time, as was former Clinton administration Assistant Attorney General Jim Robinson, who continued to be singled out at airports in 2008 despite having his top-security clearance renewed in 2007. Even children are apparently on the list. Eight-year-old Mikey Hicks has received special scrutiny at airports since he was two years old, according to the January 13, 2010.
How do Americans get on the list? There is some evidence that the “wrong” political views can be a factor: the ACLU successfully represented anti-war activists from Northern California who were targeted at airports. Suspicious activity reports filed by the police and tips called in by the public can lead to “dots” being wrongly connected, as in the case of Erich Scherfen, a Persian Gulf war veteran and pilot who converted to Islam and married a woman who was born in Pakistan. When he removed a broken back seat from his car, a co-worker told the state police that he had “retrofitted the family car to carry bombs.” Getting onto a watch list is a good deal easier than getting off, which might be virtually impossible given the apparent existence of “shadow” lists that continue to flag “suspicious” people even if they are removed from a master list. As many as 80,000 people have tried to clear their names, while reports by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General have condemned the huge number of “false positives” and the fact that certain known terrorists have never made it onto the list. They may not be able to fly, but people on the watch lists can still buy AK-47s and military grade explosives within the United States. While thousands of Americans find themselves listed as “suspects” in the bloated watchlists, the “constitutional right” to be presumed innocent until proven guilty is given less weight than the right to bear arms.
In the summer of 2009 there was active recruiting of already enlisted army , for (re)[ training for domestic detention camps.
The LORD keeps snatching back the curtain so we who will pay attention can see/understand the reality that is HERE.
Are u talking about FEMA Camps? United States Army posted jobs for Internment/Resettlement Specialists.The Internment/Resettlement Specialist, or I/R Specialist for short, is not only tasked with handling the custody and control of individuals designated as an Enemy Prisoner of War (EPW) but also of so-called Civilian Internees (CIs).
Legislation has passed that legitimize the use of internment camps to detain U.S. citizens in the event of an uprising or civil unrest.
Marjori Cohn wrote an article: American Prison Camps Are On The Way
In 1798, the Federalist-led Congress, capitalizing on the fear of war, passed the four Alien and Sedition Acts.The Sedition Act provided criminal penalties for any person who wrote, printed, published, or spoke anything "false, scandalous and malicious" with the intent to hold the government in "contempt or disrepute." The Federalists argued it was necessary to suppress criticism of the government in time of war. The Republicans objected that the Sedition Act violated the First Amendment, which had become part of the Constitution seven years earlier.
During the McCarthy era the government engaged in widespread illegal surveillance. Many folks were imprisoned put on the blacklist & lost their jobs. People never got their lives back together that was the FBI resurgence of red-baiting.
I had a lil' experience in dealing with how the federal government try & silence U.S. citizens. The federal government can involuntary commit any U.S. citizen to a State or Federal facility, but there's a risk of lawsuits being filed. Under the Authorization Act the government would not face any lawsuit.
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