Salvation is it eternal regardless of the circumstances or not come on lets get everyone’s opinion

But what is your take on what would have happened if the prodigal son or anyone who had received salvation backslides by rejecting the Father, His Son, the Holy Ghost and totally turned away from the faith and DIED without having repented or had the opportunity to return to the fold. Would that person be heading for hell or heaven? This is a conversation that came up with a couple of my work colleague when we were in an after discussion on Luke 15:11-32 so I would be interested in having a discussion and receiving everyone's point of view.

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Sadly YOUR version of your slightly tainted by Roman-ism, Philo and Paul's Hellenistic theology...which is fine....for you.
You can do that.
However usually when I speak with those who call themselves Dr. something,... I trust I am dealing with a person who can STUDY...the facts out,  make up a working model and then Simply . stand upon those gathered facts.

Your statement above had this Fine item:" My Father knows all things and shares with His children those things they need to know should we seek Him.

Interesting as your Rabbi stated similar references...Our Father, Our ABBA ...Those are really tough words to assimilate with Father and ABBA meaning the same thing.which means that even Yeshua considered his the Creator of all..Simply Yeshua knew that the very Essence of all Creation was within him.
How is it a DR. with assumed years of study does not???
I could suggest a good Yeshiva,..  a House of STUDY for you...or simply give a list of books of historical interest that may help you Actually know and understand the Culture of your Teacher.

Thereby eliminating the cultural divide the children seem to have
See it is not me that is unable to pick up a book...or listen to a Lecture of historical importance..However you folks make study out to be a crime or sin. Whichever I do not know.

One of my mentors is Dr. Michael Laitman foremost teacher of the wisdom to the meaning of life ...WE are involved with a global movement to heal the Arrogant EGOism so rampant and that same arrogance must be curtailed or the Goyim will continue to murder and kill and destroy the planet and all its resources...But that is higher toward the truth of the Creator than you kids trying to find your salvation
Paul stated he worked out HIS By FEAR and TREMBLING"
 You kids do not know what he is saying But in the Ramadah prayers three times a day.  Many of the Elderly Pious at the wall Weep and tremble for your very souls... to Life / Le Chayim
Why ---for you...Because the Jews which I am a part....and your Teacher was from the tribe of Judah~ agreed  ~WE are all-one soul...and WE need to be responsible for one another....
Can you see him standing and pointing to his chest and Saying;
The Kingdom of G-d is here, right here,.. the Kingdom of G-d is within" you and Me all the same No one is greater than another There is only G-d and God is all.there is.

  • Your Rabbi NEVER claimed to be ELOHIM He did as is right Claimed to be a Son of G-d SEE Psalm 82 'Are ye not all the Sons of G-d!!!
  • (Beni Elohim)

Sadly the inarticulate can turn that into some form of Hate mongering or flippant argument when a another human is trying to get you to Look UP and see EIN SOF.

IMHO, If a Jewish Messiah raises up Lets say, Tomorrow, to repair the world ~and it does not fit with your Views.

You will once again murder your Salvation with as the Sages called it "ANGER without a CAUSE" ~~~ Because the inherant anger from one to another has not been reformed by the Light that Reforms from the Creator as WE enter into the higher degrees...above the Corporeal world.

Sadly, with a lack of understanding of the Ten Seiforot ~ and a thorough study to the Meaning to life, simply - You just do not know what you do"

As a historian I can help anyone who wishes to study.Point them to a source...But really If your Rabbi Yeshua.Jesus/Joshua was a Sage of Israel and taught Judaism 101...why not learn the deeper meanings from the Jews who taught him?

In the Torah the word G-d does not appear..There is NO word for salvation but Geula..that may help your study times
Here is some thing to help your studies ~A book by Brad Young
~Jesus and his Jewish Parables~Rediscovering the roots of Jesus teaching~

 For those who haven't read "Paul and Rabbinic Judaism: Some Rabbinic Elements in Pauline Theology," by W.D. Davies,

This also may interest a few...students of theology.

Enjoy your Shabbos... The set apart day unto the l-rd"

It is time for "חכמה Chochmah, בינה Binah, דעת Da'at" [Hebrew]

("Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge" to come forth)
Enjoy your journey'

For those interested in a Higher approach I suggest Dr Laitman :

Michael Laitman is the founder and president of the Bnei Baruch Kabbalah Education & Research Institute, which is dedicated to teaching and sharing the wisdom of Kabbalah. Professor of Ontology, PhD in Philosophy and Kabbalah, and MSc in bio-Cybernetics. Father of three and grandfather of three. Dr. Laitman has received the unlikely distinction of being today's foremost authority on authentic Kabbalah. His research and study led him to ancient sources which reveal a science about how the natural laws of living systems work in human thought and desire, and the direct way this impacts human relations globally. He is the author of The Complete Idiots Guide to Kabbalah, as well as thirty other books on the subject published in fourteen languages. In his book, From Chaos to Harmony, written in 2005 - long before the current financial crisis erupted - he laid out in detail, what would cause it, the positive purpose the crisis would serve, and what change people would need to undergo to solve it.
A warm engaging personality, with a down-to-earth concern for others, Dr. Laitman spends his every waking hour writing, teaching and traveling the world to dialog and exchange ideas, taking insights from these encounters to bring the knowledge of nature's general law of love and interdependence down to a practical everyday level, where it's needed most - in the family, education, science, commerce and the arts.
His goal is to empower individuals to connect and quickly influence change in human behavior, matching the challenge of the new world we all now face.
As a member of the World Wisdom Council, he has collaborated with scientists, spiritual and political leaders, thinkers, artists, academics and social theorists.
Together with all this activity, he runs the Bnei Baruch international educational institute which provides open web-based classes daily on, and produces books, films, a TV channel and other media all dedicated to the message of the unity of people, nations and the love of humanity - and all of it provided completely free to everyone who wants it.

The trouble with Kaballa is I can't get pass certain of it's belief which does not quite jelled with our faith in Christ Jesus, while it teaches about the upper force it also teaches about recarnation and not incarnation and although you are frequent in your use of Yeshua I suggest either you have not taken in what Dr Laitman teaches to the fullest or you are on a deceptive course which is it? Because I would find it difficult to see how you can co-join Kaballa with the concept of Yeshua and what He stands for as the first born, the one and only true natural begotten of God. (And before you come with we are all sons of God, yes we are sons of God if we walk in the light we have thus being adopted as such however, Yeshua was begotten not adopted as we are) It takes faith to realise the path of Yeshua as the Messaiah and the word of God who came down to dwell among us being fully man yet fully God The word as the seed having being place in Mary by the covering of the Holy Spirit which is the incarnation not recarnation as Kaballa believes in.

I know Kaballa profess not to be directive towards any particular faith and seek to emcopass all religion  alike into the same spirit. Now the problem I have is how can two people sit under  Dr Laitman yet come out with totally different prospective on the upper force or Yeshua. I have encoutered others who have studied under Dr Laitman who totally disbelieve the idea of Yeshua being the Messiah and who still like the Jews await the first coming. 

So my question to you is who frequent the use of the name Yeshua, is it being used as a ploy to be deceptive and if not how then can two people sit under the same teacher and have a totally different perspective on Yeshua because you cannot believe  in recarnation and believe in Yeshua recarnation is what the worshippers of the idols especially from places like Egypt believe in and there is a majo difference between recarnation and incarnation because incarnation is of Christ recarnation is of the devil

Torah is wonderful, but the relationship is everything. You have yet to mention a personal relationship with anyone, unless I have missed something which was not my intent. I still notice that you go attack and attack of my Rabbis who actually provided someone to deal with the weeds in my lawn and supplies me with everything. Those things I can testify to and there are a lot. 

He has spoken to me more than once in a clear loud audible voice outside of my head and even gave me the name of His ministry, which is why I do what I do as I owe Him everything including my life such as it is. It is all personal relationship. I talk with Him, He talks with me and His Spirit or Heart is the best. He gave me a life, a purpose and calling. I must admit also that I can do nothing without Him on my own, but then again neither do I wish to. When I am to learn something He opens my eyes, not because I am smart as I am not. He gives me understanding.

These are not wild claims as He does this for anyone who is willing as I am nothing special and never claimed to be. I am over no one in anyway. If I have learned anything it is because He has taken me by the hand and led me into righteousness and taught me. I have seen Him several times and have seen the seven angels and the ones waiting for my arrival. This again is all personal relationship, not because I am a something, but because I am nothing, but everything in Him and gave me a knew name. 

By the way He did that without one Hebrew lesson or accuse me of Hellenistic teachings as that is not how I was taught. I am a direct decedent  of  the House of Aaron how ever I go by a better blood, which was and is my salvation of which I have been promised in words directly. 

You see all of these things with me are about personal relationship, which in small part is my testimony as I have actually witnessed these things. I do not send people to a lot of books although I have written a couple of manuals. Instead what I do is send people back to Yeshua, who by the way is not big on names or tittles or deeds which man deems important. I am not a theologian, in fact theology bores me silly. 

You tell me which is greater, writings or the relationship as each one has an opportunity to choose as He forces no one. Can I hold my own? Absolutely not and only am able to write or speak unless He gives me something to write or speak. 

I do not doubt that you are filled with wisdom and knowledge and have studied all of your life, but this is not about a bible study or about reading a load of books as that maybe your testimony. My testimony is different, which makes my testimony no better or worse than anyone's, but it does make it personal to me.

Everyone in the end gets to choose what they believe is the truth, but should choose wisely. Walking in faith is not studying books. Walking in faith actually requires doing something, which is also true for the word love. Do we walk in the love that desires or works to end starvation or homelessness or even heal the sick or raise the dead or give life and purpose to those in prison, not just because we should, but because we love enough to do those things. Those are the things that impress me greatly. 

My Intimacy has done all that your Rabbi taught..Fed the Hungry, clothed the naked and  called the life breath of Adonai into a child -born dead.

All verifiable.

Yet that is not the point....WE can all do those things with proper observance to the Higher degrees..Simply Intimacy with the Divine is the key...and unlocking within you what is within all of us The DNA The Divinely Notable Assignment which is to do good One to another"
Is it not written~Obedience is greater and the greatest is Ahavah or Love~>..of Torah and Deed(s) one to another as our sages taught... Also see Yaakov/James (show me your deeds, and I will show you'...mine.
However, your example is what all my neighbors see from our abode....
Charity and benevolence for the most part.A garden to the Community, standing up for constitutional and biblical precepts..All the important stuff~~right?
Having been raised up in a Sephardi environment means we received strict teaching and quality work ethics [SEE Leviticus-Deuteronomy and Numbers for clarity ]-all the an entrepreneur and philanthropist for the good of the people.and yes people say good things for the good deeds and teachings of connection and the fact WE are all responsible to one another...through Torah and Mitzvots as you describe> the Jewish neighbor does for you. He understands Oneness
PS: don't forget the Tzadakah...No Blemished Lambs]
Actually a Jew only lives to do good ...others do not want Good to come to the masses they want Subjection to rulings, and prohibitions against freedom
As a student and teacher of Kabbalah your Rabbi is absent...although My historical studies and collective ministry engagements to do outreach programs..built the Faith / AKA Emunah to a high degree Simply my tears paved the way up Hebron a quest for the maening of life. If the Church taught the wisdom from the teachings of Abraham Issiac and Jaacob ~there may already shalom upon the world.
If you liked the movie AVATAR then with a little "Revealing of what is Hidden" you would understand that was written from the wisdom of Kabbalah One with Nature VS WARmongering.
Lastly, when your Rabbi neighbor closes the door to the world tonight and The Shabbos candles are lit welcoming in the Shekinah (h-spirit)...I bet there is a reverence and intimacy there you have never had ...Beg him to visit and you will see for your self Love at its finest hours..when the WE usher in the Sabbath Queen (the Divine Presence) with singing>

Those are the things that impress me greatly.

Hillel the Elder said, "Be of the disciples of Aaron, loving peace and pursuing peace, loving your fellow creatures and bringing them close to the Torah." (Pirkei Avot 1:12) -

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Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 82

1. A song of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge.
2. How long will you judge unjustly and favor the wicked forever?
3. Judge the poor and orphan; justify the humble and the impoverished.
4. Release the poor and the needy; save [them] from the hands of [the] wicked.
5. They did not know and they do not understand [that] they will walk in darkness; all the foundations of the earth will totter.
6. I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels (Sons) of the Most High."
7. Indeed, as man, you will die, and as one of the princes, you will fall.
8. Arise, O God, judge the earth, for You inherit all the nations.

evangelistjohnelson i have to be honest galations5 this is for the church manefestation of the flesh revelationn22 there are sins that can seperate you from GOD FOREVER REPENT HEBREWS6 HEBREWS10 MATHEW12 BLASPHEMEY IT IS GOOD YOU BOUGHT THIS TO LIGHT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH

21. "Present your plea," says the Lord; "present your strong points," says the King of Jacob.
22. Let them present and tell us what will happen; the first things what were they? Tell, and we will take it to heart, and we will know their end, or the coming events let us hear.
23. Tell the signs coming later, and we will know, for you are gods; you will even benefit and harm; let us talk and let us see together.
24. Behold you are of nought, and your deed is one of shouting; the abominable one will select you.
25. I have aroused from the north and he came; from the rising of the sun he shall call in My name. And he shall come [upon] princes like mortar and as the potter treads clay.
26. Who told from the beginning that we may know, and from before, that we may say, "He is just"? Not one told; not one let us hear; not one hears your statements.
27. The first one to Zion, behold, behold them, and for Jerusalem I will give a herald.
28. And I look, and there is no man, and of these, and there is no counselor, and I ask them that they reply with a word.
29. Behold them all, their deeds are nought, of no substance; wind and nothingness are their molten images.

Aha....there is a reason and it is the lack of understanding that there is so much contention...this may help find the maening of Love they friend as thyself
Rabbi David Aaron - Finding The Name - Shekinah~Life ~ is a science to help fix the EGOism of mere men...that may help define the goals here

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We have no heaven or hell to put anyone in but according to the word the it is clear and outlines those of who will go to heaven and those who will go to hell. Now, in light of this fact. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? James 4:12. i am glad that i know that i am not an judge. God Bless You all



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