But what is your take on what would have happened if the prodigal son or anyone who had received salvation backslides by rejecting the Father, His Son, the Holy Ghost and totally turned away from the faith and DIED without having repented or had the opportunity to return to the fold. Would that person be heading for hell or heaven? This is a conversation that came up with a couple of my work colleague when we were in an after discussion on Luke 15:11-32 so I would be interested in having a discussion and receiving everyone's point of view.
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He that does the will of *GOD* shall know the doctrine and the meek shall inherit the earth,
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled.
A lie will expose the vessel finally as a little leaven leavens the whole lump. .
I CONSIDER WE NEED MORE MENTORS NOT PREACHERS,
YOUNGER WOMEN NEED MATURE MUMS ADVICE HOW TO LOVE HUBBIE ETC. Tim 2
FATHERLESS NEED A DAD IMAGE,HOPEFULLY WITH A GODLY ARM ROUND THEM OCCAISIONALLY.
EVERY JOINT SUPPLIES,NOT JUST 5 FOLD IN FACT THE BODY EDIFIES ITSELF IN LOVE. Gal 6.6 KJV.
Every member must pick manna every morning hopefully and distribute.
And to communicate forget not.
Not by might nor by power but by Jude 20 for one thing,and fleeing compromise for another.
ISN`T *JESUS* WONDERFUL ! SO WORTHY IS *HE* THANK*YOU* GRACIOUS LOVING *FATHER*.
WE LOVE *YOU* - - - - OH TO INCREASE IN LOVE IN ALL KNOWLEDGE AND JUDGEMENT AMEN.
SO LETS GET TOO, AND STAY ABIDING, AND MANIFESTING AS TRUE SONS AND` PARENTS`OF *GOD*,HALLELU*JAH* AND THE WEARY SHALL SEEK REST,TRUE REST IN THE *SPIRIT* OF TRUTH ALONE.
AN ALGLORIOUS *CHRIST JESUS*,THE *LORD*, NOT FACTS..
Not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? ...
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
I hope that you find these helpful.
It is written : if *GOD* had not left us a seed we all should have been like unto Sodom and Gomorrah.
So we acknowledge that *GOD* souvereignly grants even repentance to us.
And but for *His* mercies we would be consumed in a moment,but *HIS* compassions fail not.
But truth is not even half of mankind will be saved.
IT IS WRITTEN:
- - and wide a the road that leads to destruction and many there be THAT GO IN THEREAT - -
- - Israel as the sands of the sea but a REMNANT shall be saved.
- - NO DOUBT AT ALL THAT THE FATHER OF THE PRODIGAL WAS PRAYING EARNESTLY AND A PROMISE I LOVE AND CLAIM AS I WALK CEAN AND FILLED IS Proverbs 11.21. - - seed delivered.
*GOD* of all comfort has forseen all and honours the diligent receiver of *HIS* grace.
Laziness is counted as drukeness and stubborness as Idolatry and none of these shall enter neither unbeleif.
Beware a lukewarm Gospel,THE PRICE PAID WAS HORRENDOUS AND MORTIFYING THE FLESH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOLY ENTRANT.
Though a work of the *Spirit* yes but only the few are willing to wait on *GOD*,be strengthened and go through the purifying preparations....
Yes it seems some are accepted that as the thief next *Jesus* had a `Pass Go Card` collect and all but dont presume the GRACE OF *GOD* I suggest is very wise.
The heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperatey wicked,and who can know it,but *I* the *LORD* search the hearts - - - and wont be played with,ask UZZAH.!
Heb 9:14 and 10:10 & 22 then Jude 20 and Phil 3:13 are munitions we must know and keep often.
Then Proverbs 8:30 ,31 KJV shall be our song in the night.
*GOD* is faithful to the meek and lowly,the penitent that seek his face and yeild to *HIS* commands.
The sad part to all of this (at least to me) is that it is a test to us and what we teach or preach. What do we do preach the truth or what is popular? It sells books to say once saved always saved, where if we tell the truth that scripture does not say that salvation is eternal, not many people will pay for a book with that statement in it?
Lets be honest and frank? People love to have their ears tickled. People love to tell ministers like any of us to go up the mountain for them and when we come back they will do what we instruct as Moses experienced. It is how books get written and church buildings get built all on a set of beliefs that sound right, but contain a fraction of the truth.
Meanwhile while we allow the untruth to continue and not fix it we allow people to go in the wrong direction and therefore loose part of the power of God that we have been given, but then wonder why things are not going to well, because when we or our congregations confess the things that are wrong and error it has the power of God to take people in the wrong direction. Some might wonder what I am talking about? Well, a couple easy examples are "Christianity" when it is really about representing the love and will of God to be of God. The word Christianity does not even appear in scripture and the word Christian only appears 3 times. The first, pagans in Antioch called believers "Christians" to mock them and secondly, King Agrippa a pagan king, not of God tells Paul that he is trying to convince him to be a Christian and third Peter tells people not to be ashamed to be called a Christian, but neither Jesus or any of the Apostles said tell people or confess that you are a "Christian." With Christianity we have Easter a pagan fertility holiday set by the Catholic Church to appease Christians and pagans and then of course we have Christmas which we like to say is Jesus birth but in truth He was either born in April or October. Being a Christian does not get one saved as it does not say that in scripture anywhere but it is easier for evangelists to sell. While we are on the topic of Evangelists we all like to claim that the Bible is the authority but then either leave things out like where some are called to be Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers so that the body can come to maturity so we can be neatly fit together. It is easier for us to ordain than it is for God to ordain, so what is created is doctrines of dispensation? A dispensation keeps us from wondering why we do not have the power of God and why now we can build theological seminary's and ordain people.
It is easier to allow people to believe that Revelations is really God's will, after all don't you know it's in the Bible so it is God's will? With all of that it allows us to build church buildings instead of each in the body of Christ, which is what was originally meant. It all comes down to Cain and Able and we know what happened there.
Salvation we like to tell people about John 3:16 where it is all Jesus and don't talk much about 1John 3:16 were we like Jesus are to lay down our lives so others will live. Oh well I have a family so I can't lay down my life, so then everyone instead of laying down our lives goes off and gets married and it all ordained by the church.
Salvation used to be about laying down our lives and will so Jesus could live in us and work through us. Today for the most part it is simply believing one is saved by grace, while close to 14,000 people per day starve to death, but we find church buildings being built in record number? Yes we could have ended starvation instead of building the trillions of dollars building church buildings.
So here we are having a discussion about "once saved always saved," with me being the wet blanket, but in honesty I needed and felt led to write this as we are called to represent the love and will of God and drop the false? It is a choice, but we get to be responsible as ministers for it all.
I am leaving out things like the body of Christ having all power and authority in heaven and earth to fix all of this stuff and that we have been given the power of God to forgive sin, so we talk about what we see instead of talking words of faith. I am also leaving out parts of the priesthood where we all should be seeking God for His mercy for what we have allowed to continue all of this time?
We all have a perspective. We all have a spirit, the question is whether the Spirit we have is God's Spirit or our own?
You know domething George it maybe that there are those who are like Judas walking with the Lord but was never really given to the Lord the saw the excitement and offered themselves but really they wanted what the Lords had to offer but also want what the wworld has to offer. You see none of us is yet perfect but when you have someone saying because we are under grace it is okay to sin or that we have no control over sin than my friend is a problem, you see under law the people were slave tp sin, sin was their master but Jesus came and laid His life down a unblemish life worthy to be the ransome so that the control of over sin was reserve, sin is no longer our master no longer are we slave to sin and that means my dear that we now have a choice to stay in sin or walk from sin. You see the people of old had no choice they could not controll the sin in their lives it was a futile act to try to stay sin free because they were in bondage to sin but under grace the chains have been broken we are no longer slave we are free sin cannot keep us bound sin cannot command us sin needs our permission so the fact is under grace the power has been shifted Christ the unblemish lamb laid down His life so the control was removed from sin to us. You see it was clear from the beginning sin has no place in the Kingdom when it came Adam and Eve was kicked out, and the return of the people is a must but guess what the people not sin that was why Christ had to die so He could separate the people from sin so he could shift the power from sin to the people the problem is the people and quite a lot of the people are opting to give back the power and control to sin the only way that sin can regain control is if it is fressly given so when one deliberty sin we are making a choice just as Eve and Adam did to come out out of the line of God into the path of satan which is sin. You see if we are a true believe walking in aleignment with God satan cannot come into us unless we invite him in amd how do we do that we have to step out of God's aleignment, we have to step into satans path. So when people believe they can delibertly sin that is what they are doing stepping out of God's path and passing back the power to satan. You see it is not possible to have God and sin because we cannot serve two masters because we will end up loving one and hating the other. Sin George needs needs a slave in order to be master.And Christ did not died in order for us to end up back where the Israel was when they were under law consumed and overpowered by sin without any choice. We have a choice believe on Him who laid down His life and that means follow His ways He came on earth as an example for us and He set a sinless, sinfree life to show us that it can be done, that there is no temptation that is not common to man no temptation that God's people cannot over come. So the fact is if we are delibertly walking in sin have we ever been save are were we a Judas pretending to be saved but truely just wanting the best of both worlds.
One fruit of this discussion is I now know who`s ministries I have a prayerfilled ? over.
THANKS BE TO *GOD* WHO CAUSETH US ALWAYS TO TRIUMPH - - - ``IN *CHRIST*``.
ABIDE OR BE LOST.!
STILL TIME TO REPENT OF COMPROMISE,OR SLACKNESS SOMEWHERE AND INIQUITY HAS HIDDEN *HIS* HOLY FACE
HE THAT BEING OFTEN REPROVED ,HARDENETH HIS NECK,SHALL ``SUDDENLY BE CUT OFF AND THAT WITHOUT REMEDY..
DON`T KID YOURSELF,SHOW *GOD* YOUR FAITH THROUGH YOUR `WORKS` OF A FAITH.
HALLELU*JAH* *JESUS* THE TRUE AND FAITHFUL WITNESS THAT WILL PERFORM *HIS* PART AND WE MUST FOLLOW ON OR BE LOST.
DONT JUST TRY THE *DOOR*,GO THROUGH IT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT!
CALLING UPON *HIM* AS YOU GO.
OUR *LORD JESUS* `THE DOOR` SAID.
*MY* STRENGTH IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS.*
SO NO EXCUSES.!
WONDERFUL IS *HIS* NAME.
I would love to give you multiple scripture then brother. PM me your number or i can send you mine and we can discuss this doctrine.
Where do you live sir?
Ok. Maybe Skype or email would be better then. Do you have skype? If so pick a time and date (anyday this week is good for me) and we will set apart time to discuss this. I think that if you get this doctrine wrong along with a couple others you could be preaching another Christ and another Gospel.
When would be a good time?