But what is your take on what would have happened if the prodigal son or anyone who had received salvation backslides by rejecting the Father, His Son, the Holy Ghost and totally turned away from the faith and DIED without having repented or had the opportunity to return to the fold. Would that person be heading for hell or heaven? This is a conversation that came up with a couple of my work colleague when we were in an after discussion on Luke 15:11-32 so I would be interested in having a discussion and receiving everyone's point of view.
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Its funny John by your response it appear and felt that you just judge everyone for taking for in a discussion which aims to help us to look at our own walk
I not judging anyone i am speaking about how i feel about the subject and i am sorry for offending anyone that was not my intention only giving my opinion on the matter
Yaakov who you quote was a Pious benevolent member of the Jewish community, and studied the Torah and writings of the Sages EG : those of The great Assembly... The House of Hillel, etc.. from his discourses.
Simply One who stated he understood Deeds" - Benevolent giving from one to another human being in need)
Giving as the Creator gives from one to another and the Merit those Deeds' have in our journey~
Young man, Judgement only belongs to those who understand Torah and Mitzvot, the Creator, and Creation in total comprehension.intimacy. and reverence to all humanity.
Sadly, Not many have that view and wisdom ...
However if you spend a lifetime quest and Study the Historical -linguistic - and cultural aspects of what you believe in...then,...perhaps Ha'Shem will allow you to come up higher to where the Judges sit in Obedience to the Absolutes.
Perhaps then WE all will understand the vestibule of Heavens greatness - within each and every one -all the same.
enjoy your journey...
We must en-devour to work out our own soul salvation with fear and trembling. Who knows what is between a man and his God? This is a personal matter. Unforgiven sin is judged, and dealt with at God's discretion. Forgiven sin is...well, it's...forgiven. If any man reject the Holy Ghost and is totally turned from the faith, he will not be forgiven. Rejecting or blaspheming the Holy Ghost is a sin where no forgiveness will be given. For the Spirit is He who seals us to the day of redemption. You cannot go to heaven without the Holy Ghost.
But my question is, Can a man being truly washed in the blood of Jesus, having been filled with the Holy Ghost really turn away from God to reject His Spirit? How can he, having the Spirit of God in him, reject the Spirit of God. It leaves one to doubt that there was ever a relationship with God from the beginning. Like fore-stated, who what is between a man and his God? This is a personal matter.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Mr. King writes:" We must en-devour to work out our own soul salvation with fear and trembling.~
Excellent!...One might Stop' right there.
Now the question is how will you achieve this so great and mighty degree of wisdom?
Your discourse continues with Shaul or Paul ( usually when you see a name change--it reflects that that person has a new awakening) using the Text that was written to a Hellenist class of folks... Paul's letter *(letters are not Scripture as the five books of Moshie are considered Scripture)
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knows the things of a man, (speaking of The Adam Kadmon) -save (other than) the spirit (Ruach / Ruach Ha'Kodesh~ ESSENCE of G-d) of man,... which is in (With-in) him?
Simply ALL humanity receives this Same G-d,... there is no need to Ask the Essence of G-d to come into you as the very essence of all Creation is within each and every one -all the same.
Now WE jump to 1 Corinthians 8:2 And if any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. (...had he studied in the Yeshiva..the man' would have had the wisdom- to know all things revealed)
Simply folks, there is only what is Hidden to you and What is revealed to you"
Study helps the dots connect in marvelous ways...enjoy your journey. B"H.
Sort of goes against scripture. Holy Spirit breathes life into all living things of which I agree and the basics to believe are there, but Yeshua said it clearly "you must be born again."
By the way you say it is simple yet you make it very complicated for some reason. I mean honestly no child could ever grasp what you are talking about and yet you seem to feel that it is important, which makes it a very complicated salvation.
Sarah you do see Shekinah has slightly changed his tactic, after encouraging people to learn kaballa and I question how kaballa and being a follower of Christ works he has not responded. The fact is that the reason he appear to be complicated is he seek to convince one that you can find Christ through kaballa yet kabella believes that the upper force is within self and it is our upper being who is actually the creator so it is difficult to see where Christ comes into it, kaballa's latest tactic because it claim to have no religious leaning therefore it believe that it is able to help anyone regardless of whether they are muslim, christian budhist etc to get to unlock the barrier that takes one to the upper force. Now Shekinah has been cleverly using Yeshua (Jesus) name and my question to him was is it is intention to deceive because it is hard to understand how he can sit under Dr Laitman who he hold under such high regard and claim to believe in Jesus The Zohar does not even mention the name Yeshua and of later kaballa has tried to claim that Jesus himself was a kaballist yet Jesus taught that there was only one way to the Father and that was through Jesus and not through reincarnation.
You see we believe we have our lifetime to get things right with God and there is no repentance beyond the grave however kaballist believe that through reincarnation people will continue to have a chance because if you died in your sin you can come back again as someone else and try to put things right and you can do that as much time as you like, so no one will ever need to be dammed to hell because they will always have time to come back after they died to correct themselves how ever many times it takes so you time after time you die you come back and if you died again and don't get it right you can come back again and you can do this as much time as you like. Now all who believe in the incarnated Son of God born of the virgin Mary cannot accept this teaching of kaballa because in doing so we would have to declare our Saviour to be a liar.
Now I mention to Shekinah that either he is trying to deciieve God's people in much the same way satan triend to deceive Jesus in the wilderness or he did not quite come to grip with what Kaballa is all about. He has not address the issue but I hope he will go back and respond to me.
I wanted to add that I clearly understand and accept what you are saying Angela Loundes in your comments.
To me what is sad and what I was hoping for in fellowship was more sharing with one another what the Holy Spirit was speaking to them or showing them. To me that is always enjoyable.
It has turned into a debate on who is smarter and which books are important to study and all of that stuff..................
My faith is rather simple. I was in the gutter. He took me out of the gutter and gave me a life and purpose. He promised that He would lead me into righteousness and keep me. I go OK lets go.
I can testify to the fact that being filled with the Holy Spirit is the most wonderful experience I have ever had. I can testify that I was in the Lions Den as Daniel was and God kept me. I could share much more, but it is not about me.
We each of us are the Gospel as He gave His life so we could live and in turn if we are like Him then we will also learn how to lay our lives and wills down for His.
Had I simply had an education I could be deceived, but by experience I know in whom I believed and that He is able and am totally convinced even though I am not brave on my own, that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that day. That is my testimony.
I love, not because I am capable, but because He gave me a love and He loves through me. He gave me compassion to lay hands on people. He gave me compassion to do everything I know to do everything I can for Him. Not just the first fruits, but everything. He told me the name of His ministry and all I have wanted to do since then is work in His ministry and not my own. Having said that at times looking back in all honesty I didn't have a clue and did not do well at times, sometimes I even did things when I knew better, but He has understood and forgiven me and through that, if He can take a putz like me He will help anyone and give them a life, a purpose, a calling and best of all His love and attention which I admire most.
In all the times I have been with Him and He with me, He never threw up at me about what I knew or thought I knew. God is the servant even to the servant and my whole heart is to be like Him, which means I must also be the servant even unto the servant. I admire Jesus or Yeshua as He is not big on names, only big on each of us spending time with Him and last but certainly not least which is the heart of hearts is the Holy Spirit which is the very Heart of God. It was He that makes me want to drop to my knees, but instead has me stand in front of Him. There simply is not enough paper on earth to share with all how I feel about any one of them being our Father, His Spirit and Jesus, besides my words are nothing and could ever do justice.
Some folks will never go up...the mountain..they are content in the pasture...
As the Dali Lama said when asked the question of what is the best religion:" He stated the Best religion is the ONE that brings you closest to G-d...that is the best religion for you"
~ And so it is...for you...Others still want the higher truths that requires more Effort than just romanized beliefs IMHO.
Shekinah, there is no higher force than God so my dear Dr Laitman teaching could never attain to the level that I am being taught by the Almighty. And to tell you the truth I would never seek to get up to the level of a deceiver, for I know in whom I believe and in what I believe and because of my certainty in who and what I believe my faith will not and cannot be shaken because I have been planted on the solid rock and my foundation is very sure. You see the thing is I can't testify to what Dr Laitman has done for you but I can testify of what Christ my Saviour has done for me and to that end my life belongs soley to Him because I have an assurance that there is no mistake in Him, I have an assurance that in Him I cannot stray, I have an assurance that through Him I can make it and obtain that to which has been promise so my dear you can go on relying on dr Laitman today but what will you do tomorrow, you see there is one surity that we are here today and gone tomorrow and you should note there is no historical evidence of anyone but my Saviour who having died, live again and believe me only through Him my Saviour can anyone else ever died and be raise incorruptible alive again so believe what you will and be ye deceived if you so choose but know ye that when Dr Laitman pass away the word of God which brings me to new higher heights each day will still be around to draw those with an hear to hear and eyes to see until the day of judgement.
You see Kabella is not that old, it certainly was not here before the beginning of time, yes I know there are unfortunately many of God's chosen who have been deceived but were they not already deceived when they failed to received that whom they had amongst them the only begotten Son of God and will they not yet again be decieved into believing the anti christ is that whom they fail to realise have already come. The word of God already warn us of the many deceivers who will come and those who will seek to distort His teaching so my dear you are wastsing your time trying to bring me to any level because I am focus and stedfast , grounded and solid in my Lord
Egoism | Laitman.com - Part 52
That link should help the Students UNDERSTAND your question and Answer to the simplicity in this global effort of Oneness and life more abundantly....
It interweaves with the Text that your Rabbi choose..as there was NO Brit Hadassah (New Testament canon)
This may help the Students as well: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Brit_Chadashah/brit_chad...
enjoy your study times