SHOULD A PASTOR ,MALE/FEMALE WHO HAS BEEN EXPOSED ,BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN ABOMINATION(SAME-SEX)ACTIVIETIES BE RESTORED TO OFFICE? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T10:19:13Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/should-a-pastor-malefemale?feed=yes&xn_auth=nowell that is a touchy subject…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-05:916966:Comment:11686922010-01-05T09:34:08.235ZBISHOP DESIGNATE COREY L BLACKhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/coreylblack
well that is a touchy subject i beleive that afther a pearson has repented and god has forgiven then i beleive that that person should be minister to train taught mentored and my god delivered
well that is a touchy subject i beleive that afther a pearson has repented and god has forgiven then i beleive that that person should be minister to train taught mentored and my god delivered I don't mean this to sound ha…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-12-09:916966:Comment:11342722009-12-09T16:36:10.106ZZealot Xhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ZealotX
I don't mean this to sound harsh but I think a LEADER has to do what is best for those who he leads. This includes recognizing when one can no longer lead. Leadership is different from a personal relationship with G-d. The personal relationship may be restored but this doesn't automatically mean that he or she can return to being an effective leader. They may have a tremendous testimony of how they overcame but this doesn't equate to leadership ability.<br />
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Leaders have always been dealt with by…
I don't mean this to sound harsh but I think a LEADER has to do what is best for those who he leads. This includes recognizing when one can no longer lead. Leadership is different from a personal relationship with G-d. The personal relationship may be restored but this doesn't automatically mean that he or she can return to being an effective leader. They may have a tremendous testimony of how they overcame but this doesn't equate to leadership ability.<br />
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Leaders have always been dealt with by YHWH more harshly than followers because there is too much riding on the leader for them to do whatever they want. Moshe was not allowed to go into the promised land because of what he did. Saul.... lost a lot for what he did. David lost a child for what he did. etc. Leading YHWH's people is serious business because you stand as a representative of G-d. Yes, as a sinner you can have forgiveness, but usually someone who "has been exposed" has issues besides the abomination they committed. Someone had to "find you out" means that you did not volunteer change of your own desire to be clean. Someone had to expose you in order to wake you up. And during that time you were trying to hide your transgressions, possibly deceiving people in the process. Even if people can forgive you for what you did they may not TRUST you enough to be a credible leader. And if that is the case then stepping down may be the best thing you can do in that situation.<br />
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Shalom IF THEY HAVE DEMANDED THE SPI…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-11-30:916966:Comment:11207752009-11-30T00:02:56.926ZPASTOR LAWRENCE ROBINSONhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PASTORLAWRENCEROBINSON
IF THEY HAVE DEMANDED THE SPIRIT TO LEAVE,CLEANED HOUSE AND REPLACE IT WITH GODS SPIRIT YES
IF THEY HAVE DEMANDED THE SPIRIT TO LEAVE,CLEANED HOUSE AND REPLACE IT WITH GODS SPIRIT YES CIVILIZATION IS ROUNDING THE…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-08-01:916966:Comment:8986882009-08-01T19:24:41.559ZDr. W.T. Williams Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DrWTWilliamsJr
CIVILIZATION IS ROUNDING THE CORNER ON TWO WHEELS, WHETHER IT WILL RIGHT ITSELF OR SKID OFF INTO DISASTER IS STILL THE UNANSWERED QUESTION. MORAL FOUNDATIONS ARE BEING DESTROYED. OLD FAMILIAR ROAD SIGNS HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN AND NEW ONES HAVE NOT YET BEEN PUT UP, WE WONDER WHICH WAY TO GO.WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING OR WHY AND WE HAVE ALMOST GIVEN UP THE ATTEMPT TO FIND OUT. WE ARE IN DESPAIR BECAUSE THE KEYS WHICH WERE TO OPEN THE GATES OF HEAVEN HAVE LET US INTO A LARGER BUT MORE…
CIVILIZATION IS ROUNDING THE CORNER ON TWO WHEELS, WHETHER IT WILL RIGHT ITSELF OR SKID OFF INTO DISASTER IS STILL THE UNANSWERED QUESTION. MORAL FOUNDATIONS ARE BEING DESTROYED. OLD FAMILIAR ROAD SIGNS HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN AND NEW ONES HAVE NOT YET BEEN PUT UP, WE WONDER WHICH WAY TO GO.WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING OR WHY AND WE HAVE ALMOST GIVEN UP THE ATTEMPT TO FIND OUT. WE ARE IN DESPAIR BECAUSE THE KEYS WHICH WERE TO OPEN THE GATES OF HEAVEN HAVE LET US INTO A LARGER BUT MORE OPPRESIVE PRISONHOUSE.WE THOUGHT THESE KEYS WERE SCIENCE AND THE FREE INTELLIGENCE OF MAN. THEY HAVE FAILED US. WE HAVE LONG SINCE CAST OFF GOD.NATURE HAS LET US DOWN, GOD SEEMS TO HAVE LEFT THE RECEIVER OFF THE HOOK, AND TIME IS RUNNING OUT But beware lest somehow this…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-27:916966:Comment:8893792009-07-27T14:52:01.858Zcharliehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/charlie
But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. (1 Cor. 8:9)<br />
Sometimes it better to move on, becuse it's easier people to accept what you are brining to them if they have't experience the pain that you caused. It may even be easier for you to grow. someone weak or in new to the christain way of life may have a tough time dealing with you becuse being part of the fall. where those newly form relationship will more likely be received as a more…
But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. (1 Cor. 8:9)<br />
Sometimes it better to move on, becuse it's easier people to accept what you are brining to them if they have't experience the pain that you caused. It may even be easier for you to grow. someone weak or in new to the christain way of life may have a tough time dealing with you becuse being part of the fall. where those newly form relationship will more likely be received as a more powerful testimonial. I wonder if Judas Iscariot wo…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-24:916966:Comment:8850032009-07-24T18:51:51.790ZHOPE - Psalm 43:5https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/TracyCurtis
<b>I wonder if Judas Iscariot would have been restored to his position with the disciples after he repented for the "kiss" of death?<br />
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What was King Saul's restoring moment?<br />
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How about Samson's?<br />
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WE tend to forget that God's love is not like ours.<br />
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There shouldn't be this Christian blanket of restoration back to the position without considering the situations individually. Where one person can be restored back to the family of Believers but not thier former position, another could be restored to…</b>
<b>I wonder if Judas Iscariot would have been restored to his position with the disciples after he repented for the "kiss" of death?<br />
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What was King Saul's restoring moment?<br />
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How about Samson's?<br />
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WE tend to forget that God's love is not like ours.<br />
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There shouldn't be this Christian blanket of restoration back to the position without considering the situations individually. Where one person can be restored back to the family of Believers but not thier former position, another could be restored to both.<br />
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For some reason we think it is UNLOVING, to enact a punishment in the church.</b><br />
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I Timothy 3:15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.<br />
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I Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?<br />
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<b>And we just toss Matt 18 right out the window..</b><br />
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15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.<br />
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16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.<br />
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17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.<br />
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18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.<br />
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19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.<br />
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20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.<br />
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<b>We can go thru the process of removing a person from the ministry position using the Matt 18 steps of church discipline but we will still have to deal with a major issue... forgiveness.</b><br />
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21Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?<br />
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22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.<br />
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<b>More than restoring a person back to a position that they had in the church is the issue of forgiveness of all who are involved. WE have to forgive that person for how they hurt us. They have to forgive themselves and also forgive us for the offense that they may hold in their hearts for NOT being restored to their previous position but only being allowed back into the family.<br />
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Do you see the cohesiveness of Jesus' teaching?</b> Shadonna Cornish,
I have a q…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-24:916966:Comment:8848062009-07-24T17:09:37.390ZChild of the Kingdomhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EWMinistries
Shadonna Cornish,<br />
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I have a question for you. If a pastor or youth pastor has been engaged in child molestation and served his jail time and has claimed deliverance, should he be restored to that position? Should he or she be allowed to reclaim a position in which he will be once again dealing with children.<br />
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We must also keep in mind that God is not calling all of these people. Some are self appointed or appointed by men.<br />
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I think this is the point that everyone is trying to make that…
Shadonna Cornish,<br />
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I have a question for you. If a pastor or youth pastor has been engaged in child molestation and served his jail time and has claimed deliverance, should he be restored to that position? Should he or she be allowed to reclaim a position in which he will be once again dealing with children.<br />
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We must also keep in mind that God is not calling all of these people. Some are self appointed or appointed by men.<br />
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I think this is the point that everyone is trying to make that sometimes people are hurt by the actions of leaders and shouldn't the concern be more for the children, women or members that were hurt by this? No one is saying not to restore them as a brother or sister, but do you feel they should be put back in this same position after these lewd sexual acts? I FEEL LIKE YES , WE DON'T CA…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-24:916966:Comment:8847992009-07-24T17:02:48.203ZEVANGELIST SHADONNA CORNISHhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SHADONNACORNISH
I FEEL LIKE YES , WE DON'T CALL GOD DOES THE CALLING N IT'S RITE IN THAT AREA HE CALLS ... HE USES THOSE KIND OF THING ,THE MESS UP N STUFF LIKE THAT AND TURNS IT AROUND FOR HIS GOOD .... YOUR WILL ,YOUR WAY, MY GOD
I FEEL LIKE YES , WE DON'T CALL GOD DOES THE CALLING N IT'S RITE IN THAT AREA HE CALLS ... HE USES THOSE KIND OF THING ,THE MESS UP N STUFF LIKE THAT AND TURNS IT AROUND FOR HIS GOOD .... YOUR WILL ,YOUR WAY, MY GOD EW....
OMG... man oh man oh…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-15:916966:Comment:8707272009-07-15T15:21:17.475ZHOPE - Psalm 43:5https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/TracyCurtis
<b>EW....<br />
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OMG... man oh man oh man... you hit on something again!!!<br />
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You said:</b><br />
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<i>Many don't seem to understand that many casualties are a result of these churches. Home Churches are again on the rise. Some don't think they ever existed but they are the foundation (where it all began) They are again growing and as God sees fit we will be able to move into bigger buildings to accommodate the growth.</i><br />
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<b>My husband and I have both noticed the rise in home churches that look more and…</b>
<b>EW....<br />
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OMG... man oh man oh man... you hit on something again!!!<br />
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You said:</b><br />
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<i>Many don't seem to understand that many casualties are a result of these churches. Home Churches are again on the rise. Some don't think they ever existed but they are the foundation (where it all began) They are again growing and as God sees fit we will be able to move into bigger buildings to accommodate the growth.</i><br />
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<b>My husband and I have both noticed the rise in home churches that look more and more like what is pictured in the book of Acts than what we see as traditional church in America. When we speak about the negative things happening in the "churches" we are only saying what non-Believers and those who have experienced not just one time church hurt but recurring church hurt. Because we speak of these things, many believe that we are anti-church! That is not the case. We are anti-cover up! LOL<br />
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It's like the big uproar when it was revealed that the Catholic church had been covering up the sexual (and homosexual) sins of the preists for YEARS! I remember church folk (Protestants) were outraged at this. And yet, the same happens in the Protestant churches across the globe but most prominient here in America. The hypocrisy of it all is alarming!<br />
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But again, hubby and I aren't saying to publicly blast a person the moment you find out something. We are just saying do it God's way... Matthew 18. If we do it like that then we, as Believers, will be blameless. But when you aid and abed by covering up a sin instead of dealing with it, then you are just as bad as the person who committed the sin. And the world knows it!<br />
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There's a really good movie quote that I use:<br />
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"That white stuff on top of chicken poo... is chicken poo too"<br />
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Just because the mess is in the church and all white with Christianity, doesn't make it less a mess!<br />
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Home churches are on the rise becuase many want to get back to the core community of Christianity. There is a desire for the Book of Acts type of Church.<br />
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Have you ever read the Left Behind series of books? That type of environment births home churches. What type of environment... firey tribulation!! When the Gospel is under siege, people band together to protect it and shelter themselves. How is the Gospel under seige today??? By the hypocrisy in the Body of Christ! WE are the ones attacking God's word by our very lives!<br />
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And the Believers who are not trying to make excuses for those who are in leadership that are in habitual secret sin, nor who want to provide scripture coated crutches like the abuse of I John 1:9, well those Believers are tired of the mess and nonsense and want to escape the enviornment that perpetuates those lifestyles. So, yes, home churches are most definitely on the rise. But home churcher's beware, your brethren will most definitely condemn you for "forsaking the assembly" in a REAL church.</b> I get what you are asking now…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-07-15:916966:Comment:8706112009-07-15T14:50:44.971ZChild of the Kingdomhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EWMinistries
I get what you are asking now. You seem to be asking what if a whole community was effected (not just church folk)? What if sinners are discouraged from the actions of a church leader? I can tell you one way to deal with these types of situations, of which the most obvious way is outside of Church walls. Many will not consider going to church after such exposes occur so what do you do then? Once you have their attention and they have given you their ear, wisdom must kick in. While we shouldn't…
I get what you are asking now. You seem to be asking what if a whole community was effected (not just church folk)? What if sinners are discouraged from the actions of a church leader? I can tell you one way to deal with these types of situations, of which the most obvious way is outside of Church walls. Many will not consider going to church after such exposes occur so what do you do then? Once you have their attention and they have given you their ear, wisdom must kick in. While we shouldn't blast the church to an unbeliever we also can't appear to condone it's actions either?<br />
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The problem comes in when sinners hear so called Christians making excuses and covering up the mess in the church. What church folk don't understand is, you can through a tarp over a heap of horse manure, but it will still stink. Sinners need and want the truth in these cases. If they ask you how you feel about the mess in the church, you can't go wrong if you simply tell them how God's feels about it. After you have established that, you can then proceed to tell them that our salvation is of God and not man and that we must all work out our own soul salvation with fear and trembling. If they understand that God is the one to fear then they can certainly begin to hear the wisdom of the truth.<br />
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If they are still lending an ear to what you have to say that means that you have won their confidence. From there, a solid foundation can be built on which you can now minister grace to this person and bring them into salvation. The question then comes, where do you send them to church after you have caught the fish? Many don't seem to understand that many casualties are a result of these churches. Home Churches are again on the rise. Some don't think they ever existed but they are the foundation (where it all began) They are again growing and as God sees fit we will be able to move into bigger buildings to accommodate the growth. Amen.<br />
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The important issue here are the lost souls and not the church folks and their egos.