We got to be careful of how we speak. We have seen many comments on this discussion. And yet I think we have not gotten to the point.PREACHING AND PASTORING are two different things.
You cannot pay a preacher for preaching because that is the calling. Pastoring is the vocation/job to which we are employed by the local church. You can Pastor without pay but rest assured you are not fully focused on the ministry because of obligations to another Job.
I have Pastor 4 churches and of the four I am the founder of 2. I have been paid by all four ministries and I honestly will not go Pastor anywhere for FREE. But again we need to be careful of how we judge those because of their beliefs. None of us on here will go work somewhere and watch every 1 else collect on pay day and u get nothing. It's the same with Pastor's when every one else is gone home we still have to keep the ministry going. And shame on any ministry that will not take care of the leader one way or another.
Mr. Bryant-Kemp We got to be careful of how we speak.True it is difficult knowing the essence of the Master in and through you as the prayer of John 17...( I pray that you become ONE)~when most of the kids cannot understand the Literal - lifetime walk of a 'Pious benevolent man of Torah.However Mr Kemp has no understanding of his words and what the Angels of YHVH do with them...Your message has a mixture in the message dear student;;;Your own words have set your limitations for at least a decade....Speaking from experience.
No real man of G-d would tell the Master what He will or won't do with His creature....We do not have free-will at the level of a Tzaddik.
Lets be clear I am a PREACHER by Calling, Pastor by vocation and the church I serve is by ASSINGMENT. I never said I will tell God what I will and won't do. However God will not cause someone to have to suffer just because of Pastoring. I must say that I am living the best life because I am in sync to the Father's will for my life.
It' s people like you that try to be so deep that cause foke to stumble. Again be careful of what u say. There is no misunderstanding of my words I know exactly of what i say. Get your facts straight.
I thought this was BLACK PREACHING NETWORK not the CRITICISM NETWORK Please keep your mouth off me because you do not know me.
Arrogance needs to be addressed Harlotry even more-so...stumble is what the Lies of Rome do for a person that does not study
This is the color blind network As Einstein stated the Color Black is a color of no colour"
ARROGANT PRIDE is more like it...but then it takes a lifetime to find humility for some folks....
Thank YHVH that I do not have to hear ignorance on a regular basis....Please tell me that for the last two weeks of the feast of Trumpets that you were in total observance of Getting the Levan out of your heart...If not so a Lesson in Self Nullification is in order...
Today is the Eve' of YOM KIPPUR the Highest Holy day your Teacher Yeshua observed...
Son,...If you can not take the heat go back to the Academy and study before you whore the sheeple any more.
I will do this in simple English)
Feast of Trumpets Neh 8: 1-12~~~Lev:23:23-25~~Numbers 10:v9-10~~29:v1~~
Yom Kippur Day of Atonement Lev 16:v29-34~~23:v26-32~~
.......[In your book~Hebrews 9:11-14 + 22-24]
Feast of tabernacles, Sukkot or Booths as in the celebration of the Wilderness)
Lev: 23:33-34~~Deverim 16:v13-15~~~Zech 14:v16-19~~
If you need more...let me know.
There is a pattern, young Talmidim((s)
7 Feasts~~~7 days~~~ 7 years~~~ and 7 groups of seven years~~~until a Novel" or a Jubilee is reached~~
Enjoy your journey students: It is time for Shabbos and time for the Day of Fast unto YHVH~aka YOM KIPPUR~~~~
Praise Him! I have co-pastored a church for 5 years without pay, but I felt good about it because my words were God's words and I could not be influenced because I freely preached the word of God. I didn't worry about clicks and groups and could preach the pure unadulterated word. I now am an asst pastor transitioning to Pastor and I still don't take money for what I do in Jesus name.
Pastor Teloria Williams
Holy Ghost Powerhouse
loving it.. tell the true and like it is ....while Jesus walked this earth he did not get paid for nothing so why do some teachers/preachers feel they have to get paid;' could it be lazyness they don't want a job or could it be GREED fast easy money and lots of it ,,for getting about saving soul for the kingdom of God and become a worshiper of money and fame taking the word of God twisting it around to benefit themselves. Now we have to look at the doctrine of men taking the truth and making it a lie....well i better stop right there lol because?.....
As a pastor, I have no problem with getting paid from a congregation. However, I should not expect or attempt to get rich on the back of the flock.
Material blessing is part of salvation (look up the Greek "sozo") and this should be no exception for the man or woman of God. I have a great deal of respect for pastors such as T.D. Jakes and Creflo Dollar -- they live what some might call opulent lifestyles. But they have a significant body of work (i.e., books) from which they derive a substantial income. Unfortunately, there are some who live rich lifestyles and hobnob with the rich-and-famous whose income is solely from tithes and offerings.
I also believe if a pastor is blessed by his scholarly labors (e.g., Rick Warren) they should give liberally. I admire Rick Warren because he practices REVERSE TITHING -- he keeps 10 percent and gives back 90 percent for Kingdom business.
Any preacher that's in ministry for the money really needs to check his motivation...
Ok that is fine and that is your opion God belss, but what do the word of God say when it comes down to getting paid give supportting chapters please do not give the one concerning the church or the titling that is due to the church ok give the one's that support making your pockets full of any kind of payment and explain why you should not labor to take care of yourself being a healthy person having the saints taking care of your family and bill and not a job that you are able to hold....most say they are 24/7 working full-time for the church when the church doors are only open for full service on one day a week (SUNDAY) and for 1 or 2 hours one day of the week what happens to the needy the poor how often do the visited their homes or offer food and will bring it to the poor an elderly ...what happens to the people that walks up and down the street passing the churchs and the doors are shut ....how are they treated when they set among the well to do church people what is offer to them in the house of your so called churchs i have spoken to many of them and they cry out with disappointment so they stay away and believe not in the God you serve they say christain churchs are only for people with money to give them GREED FALSE PREACHER/TEACHES...they say for we are to poor for them even though they give us food they do not welcome us and one of their own ...all that you may do is nothing without CHARITY .....the main focus in todays churchs is MONEY/FAME......give supporting chapter and lean not to your own understand and don't play follow the leader --he to this and they do that and i like it and agree ...do the will of God and not men .....look out for the doctrine of men ...now if you can give me supporting chapter of a pastor getting paid not the offering to the churchs or titls....pastors ok the name pastors or prechers or teachers IS NOT THE NAME --CHURCH OR TITHING OK SO ONCE AGAIN MAKE SURE IT SAY PREACHERS AND PASTORS THANKS...no one is concern about the souls or the poor.
1 Corinthians 13
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Hi, I have a heart for the poor and disenfranchised... I commend you on your zeal to serve the community that's forgotten. Be careful not to become prideful in assuming those who are paid by the church do not have a heart for the poor and those that are in need. I had this type of position once and God had to minister unto my heart because I felt the poor were being left behind by my successful ministries. But God showed me that there are many ministries serving but they do not publicize that aspect of the work. The just do it!!! Many of the people that criticize often talk the talk but lack the walk... Stay focus and continue to do what Good has assigned you to do... Blessings...
Mr. Cade writes with understanding:"But God showed me that there are many ministries serving but they do not publicize that aspect of the work. The just do it!!!
Many of the people that criticize often talk the talk but lack the walk...Because they are off the Derech..off the Way...therefore they do not have the Torah Truth within. The Torah is to study until you "GET IT" then go out and Repair the world. The term in Hebrew is Tikkun Olam~ So the main theme in Judaism is study and then go out and try to repair the world in some way. There is not a day that the Master would not have a trusted Servant reach out to another ( across color and socialized mindsets) and help another human being.
We are all one from the One'.... if you are a true servant that is the Mindset of the people of Israel
~Klal Israel arevim zeh Bazeh= All Israel is responsible for one another ( Talmud Shavout 39a)~
Amen I believe that whole heartedly. I tell all my Pastor's Elder's Minister's and Evangelist that you give back into that same ministry that blessed you. I've just finished a 4 night revivial and and i only took $150 to cover my travel expenses and gave the other $350 back to the church. So every preacher isn't preaching for the money you have some real true Holyghosted filled preacher still around