Should we accepting abuse in a relationship from other believers? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T00:11:35Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/should-we-accepting-abuse-in-a-1?id=916966%3ATopic%3A510702&feed=yes&xn_auth=nofirst Lady, it is almost as i…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-17:916966:Comment:12949472010-04-17T19:01:51.615ZProphetess Pinki Moorehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ProphetessPinkiMoore
first Lady, it is almost as if you were in Duncanville, TX last night at the conference I was ministering in and at the Denney's restaurant afterwards. We are praying that the men of God will step up and that women will recognize the men as they take their rightful place in the instances of marriage and let the man be the man, we are praying that the men of God who is truly loving their wife, and it is evident upon "her" countenace by the way she glows when he ministers, rather than rolling her…
first Lady, it is almost as if you were in Duncanville, TX last night at the conference I was ministering in and at the Denney's restaurant afterwards. We are praying that the men of God will step up and that women will recognize the men as they take their rightful place in the instances of marriage and let the man be the man, we are praying that the men of God who is truly loving their wife, and it is evident upon "her" countenace by the way she glows when he ministers, rather than rolling her eyes, it is those men in leadership, we are praying that God will elevate to "teach" the others, what it means to truly love his wife, not his exwife, his wife, not the wife he think he want, the WIFE he has.. when a man love his wife, he will cherish her as if she is him, but we await that day, and for the perfecting of the man as God raise them up to the level of understanding the value of real love. Most if they would take a deeper look, all their wife really, really want is his love. I pray that one day, we will…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-17:916966:Comment:12948172010-04-17T15:43:09.355ZSpirithttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/FirstLady
I pray that one day, we will hear more teaching, to men, about the Biblical meaning of loving his wife. The reflection of marriage is, in my opinion the highest "visual" of Christ and the Church, which is why it is distorded and confused. The enemy knows more of the importance of husbands loving their wives and wives respecting their husbands than the couples do. And the enemy is using our ignorance to grow his kingdom. And trying to destroy the image of Christ and the church. When will men…
I pray that one day, we will hear more teaching, to men, about the Biblical meaning of loving his wife. The reflection of marriage is, in my opinion the highest "visual" of Christ and the Church, which is why it is distorded and confused. The enemy knows more of the importance of husbands loving their wives and wives respecting their husbands than the couples do. And the enemy is using our ignorance to grow his kingdom. And trying to destroy the image of Christ and the church. When will men step up, to the pulpit, and teach our men the truth behind the lie? It really is ok to love your wife. And that is what gives God the glory. Marriage is a powerful tool for KINGDOM work. BUT...it's working for the enemy.<br />
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I often pray for a shift in what is being "fed" to Christians, and I pray that truth is fed so we can use the power and dominion we have, but are too weak to use. (smiling back) My Brutha'....…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-17:916966:Comment:5154012009-03-17T05:33:37.485ZScott R. Newmanhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ScottRNewman
(smiling back) My Brutha'....:)<br />
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No, not at all am I belaboring the point about suffering, its appointed to us. It rains on the just and the unjust. Tell you what, read a post I wrote not too long ago concerning this very topic of abuse (suffering) for Christ's sake and please let me know if this isn't the Gospel of Christ:<br />
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<b>Luk 9:22 "The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests…</b>
(smiling back) My Brutha'....:)<br />
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No, not at all am I belaboring the point about suffering, its appointed to us. It rains on the just and the unjust. Tell you what, read a post I wrote not too long ago concerning this very topic of abuse (suffering) for Christ's sake and please let me know if this isn't the Gospel of Christ:<br />
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<b>Luk 9:22 "The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up".</b><br />
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If you walk with Him, if you walk with Christ, the SUFFERING Christ we all will suffer. We must remember that in sharing the Gospel with the power of God we will suffer as our Lord suffered. It is through the suffering of our bodies that Christ is glorified. It is only through the suffering of God's son that those disciples who saw his suffering that the world will see the supreme glory of Christ-- is only when we break free of the Disney world of American comfort and the deception of the prosperity gospel of health, wealth and happiness will we begin to see the true Kingdom of God manifest itself in the nations of the gentiles.<br />
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<b>Rom 8:17 "and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him"</b><br />
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How did over 1.4 billion people in the world become believers of Christ Jesus? I'll tell you how, through the 12 Apostles who SUFFERED. That's how. In no way EVER has the Gospel of Christ been delivered powerfully in any way that has pierced the hearts of those who wait in darkness and are found to be hopeless in receiving the Good News of the free gift of salvation through prosperity. If so, they won't worship the Christ, they will worship prosperity. Having a mansion and a bmw is not what brings sinners with a contrite and brokenheart to the throne of grace, but is only through the suffering that is found in us who are called to not only deny self, but to pick up our cross (sign of suffering) and follow Him, a SUFFERING Christ.<br />
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<b>Isa 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed".</b><br />
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Notice in that powerful verse in which Jesus was wounded and bruised and the chastisement of our PEACE was upon Him to SUFFER for us, to be made into a sinner for us, to be made into a spectacle, to be shamed for all to see His nakedness on that cross and to suffer greatly, as He loved us more than we could ever know to demonstrate his loving kindness by sacrificing Himself, through His suffering so that we might know Him to spend eternity with Him. That is the price He paid for us as the suffering Christ. We serve a man who was condemned to death row, a convicted man that this world despised. How can we as the sons of God expect anything else? How can we not rejoice as Paul joyfully accepted his role to suffer and to rejoice over the afflictions of the righteous. Suffering is a gift. A reward for partaking in the sufferings of our Christ. Why do we constantly try to get out of suffering, which brings many who see and are witnesses of our suffering to be also included in eternity through our sacrificial bodies that suffer! Remember one of the gifts of the spirit is longsuffering.<br />
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<b>Php 1:29 "because to you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer in his behalf:"</b><br />
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Will you join in the Son in displaying the greatness in the glory of His grace, supremely in the suffering of His Son? Because there is no other way the world is going to see the glory of Christ until we start living the lifestyle of missionary sacrifice that looks to the world that the treasure in heaven and not of the earth, its the only way. Of course I'll have a Jesus that gives us a car, I'll have the Jesus if the "Pay off is right".. WRONG! You are not going to win the lost unless through the suffering Christ!<br />
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Isn't it the "good life", isn't Christianity the "good life"??? Even if its a delusion, so what its the "good life"...WRONG!<br />
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Oh, how wrong have we got it in America. Its really hard to be a Christian in America.<br />
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I make so many choices to magnify Jesus in hard places, it hurts me everyday, I would not choose this if it weren't true!<br />
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Christ died for millions of people all over the world, their debt has been paid, but they do not know it. They can't taste it, they can't feel it, they can't sing that song, "I thank you for the cross"!! There is something missing in the suffering, its not showing up. Its not showing up in 639 people groups in the world of the unevangelized. The presentation of the suffering is not there. There never had been a breakthrough into an unreached people and place without suffering. Mark it down, if your a missionary trust me, you will Suffer. Yes, you will suffer in your marriage, in your health, in your finances, in this world you will suffer if you follow Christ. Don't think it strange when it comes, He paid the price of our salvation, we join Him in that suffering to display the nature of it, how are they going to see how satisfying He is in us, if we look like its the benz that is really satisfying?<br />
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<b>2Ti 3:12 "Yea, and all that would live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."</b><br />
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Brethren, its the only way that those who are dead in their sins will see Jesus the Suffering Christ in us when we suffer with and through Him, to bring those who labor and heavy laden with sin, to bring them rest in the Living Christ.<br />
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God only had one son and He made that son a missionary, and although He was rich, He became poor so that we can become rich.<br />
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Now I ask is the slave greater than the master?<br />
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May God bless us all<br />
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In His Grip<br />
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P.S. as of February since I wrote this blog, only two folx responded. I'm surprised even at that small number that did.....LOL (Smiling) My brotha,
You seem…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-16:916966:Comment:5142972009-03-16T21:52:29.541ZMinister Lonnie D. Hamptonhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/MinisterLonnieDHampton
(Smiling) My brotha,<br />
You seem to dwell on suffering. I know what the word says about it. We have to suffer enough with the things of the world ie...our jobs, finances, sickness, being lied on etc; without havint to suffer at the hands of someone who claims to love us. I"m sorry my brotha, you can't beat me and convince me all at the same time that you love me. I didn't say I would stop loving you, cause God loves us all, despite what we do or don't do.<br />
So I think we have come to a point where…
(Smiling) My brotha,<br />
You seem to dwell on suffering. I know what the word says about it. We have to suffer enough with the things of the world ie...our jobs, finances, sickness, being lied on etc; without havint to suffer at the hands of someone who claims to love us. I"m sorry my brotha, you can't beat me and convince me all at the same time that you love me. I didn't say I would stop loving you, cause God loves us all, despite what we do or don't do.<br />
So I think we have come to a point where you don't agree with me and I don't agree with you. That's called "Agree to Disagree." For all you reader out there, that doesn't mean Brother Scott and I don't love one another. It just means we have difference of opinions.<br />
Listen, Brother Scott, I pray that the Lord continues to bless you and your family Min. Lonnie
Yes I have a dau…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-16:916966:Comment:5139912009-03-16T18:12:59.697ZScott R. Newmanhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ScottRNewman
Min. Lonnie<br />
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Yes I have a daughter (look at my profile) who is only 4yrs old. I also have a wife, mother, sister, female cousins and many aunts as well as wonderful female friends and neighbors whom I adore and treat like the rubies of God that they are.<br />
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<b>Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.</b><br />
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Usually a woman chooses the man she ultimately winds up with is a direct reflection of what she has witnessed…
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Yes I have a daughter (look at my profile) who is only 4yrs old. I also have a wife, mother, sister, female cousins and many aunts as well as wonderful female friends and neighbors whom I adore and treat like the rubies of God that they are.<br />
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<b>Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.</b><br />
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Usually a woman chooses the man she ultimately winds up with is a direct reflection of what she has witnessed how her father treated her mother to know what is acceptable behavior or not. Have you noticed that in that verse above, never does it say for the woman to leave her father to cleave unto her husband in that scenario. Why? When I ultimately walk my daughter down the aisle to her new husband, I'm giving up my rights to her as her primary father to another father. A woman should never feel as if she's unprotected from her father. There is an exchange going on. I'm not just my wife's husband, but her spiritual father, who represents as the living example of the Holy Father. Kind of hard to do that if I'm absent from her. And really difficult for her to choose a good husband if she see's her father is being from the "whoop-a-hoe tribe". So she should never feel disconnected by a earthly father as well as from the Holy Father. So based on who I am in her life would most likely she would wind up with. I speak to many young ladies in the prison system where I volunteer and the main reason they are there is because of whom they chose in the men in their lives. Because most of these young girls have no idea what a man looks like based on her own father who had abandoned her long ago.<br />
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I have never been hit before as a child by my parents, so I don't have a reflective physical response to hit my children. My wife however has been hit and disciplined by her single mother and had to be taught by me that hitting is not effective but can lead to more destructive behavior down to the ages of the generations. Studies have shown that the African American disciplines their children by spanking and hitting more than any other ethnic group in America. Mainly it was due to slavery in that we had to force our children out of fear from massa's whip or face having our unruly children being removed from one plantation to another one without possibly ever seeing them again. And that mndset is still with us today, with dangling crosses around our proverbial necks. Thought whom the son sets free is free indeed?<br />
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Now your next point which to me is quite telling, since we now have moved to a more seeker friendly Gospel of feeding the belly of pleasures in this health, wealth and happiness Gospel of lukewarmness. Are you making the erroneous point that we are not to be used to sacrifice self and even to suffer when we come to the cross? Lets walk through the power of the scriptures to see if that indeed is true.<br />
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<b>Act 5:41 They therefore departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the Name.</b><br />
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<b>Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.</b><br />
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<b>2Co 1:6 But whether we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation; or whether we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which worketh in the patient enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer:</b><br />
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<b>Php 1:29 because to you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer in his behalf:</b><br />
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<b>1Th 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you beforehand that we are to suffer affliction; even as it came to pass, and ye know.</b><br />
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<b>2Th 1:5 which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God; to the end that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:</b><br />
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<b>2Ti 1:8 Be not ashamed therefore of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but suffer hardship with the gospel according to the power of God;</b><br />
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<b>2Ti 2:3 Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.</b><br />
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<b>2Ti 4:5 But be thou sober in all things, suffer hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry.</b><br />
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<b>1Pe 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye sin, and are buffeted for it, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye shall take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.</b><br />
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<b>1Pe 3:14 But even if ye should suffer for righteousness' sake, blessed are ye: and fear not their fear, neither be troubled;</b><br />
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<b>1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God commit their souls in well-doing unto a faithful Creator.</b><br />
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<b>2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that would live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.</b><br />
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Now I knew I had the wrong Bible, knew I shouldn't have bought this bible from those folx who live on bubble street.<br />
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And don't forget that one of the fruit of the spirit is...LONGSUFFERING!!<br />
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You show me in your Bible where it says when we accept Jesus the Christ, the suffering Christ we are to eat, drink and be merry and to live in happily ever after on a earth where the prince of this world seeks to steal, kill and to destroy us like a roaring lion who seeks only to slaughter.<br />
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God Bless<br />
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Scott This is a very interesting bl…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-16:916966:Comment:5139642009-03-16T18:02:37.557ZSpirithttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/FirstLady
This is a very interesting blog. Now this is "my opinion"... My husband, whom I love dearly, is a calling man of God. But a man, none the less, with anger issues. I am a very loving submissive person. What I am learning is, I have to show my "Fruit" during the times when we do not agree. This means instead of me challenging him, I shut my mouth. My husband also knows he has a anger proplem and he is constantly in prayer about it, as well as my praying for him. He has never been physically…
This is a very interesting blog. Now this is "my opinion"... My husband, whom I love dearly, is a calling man of God. But a man, none the less, with anger issues. I am a very loving submissive person. What I am learning is, I have to show my "Fruit" during the times when we do not agree. This means instead of me challenging him, I shut my mouth. My husband also knows he has a anger proplem and he is constantly in prayer about it, as well as my praying for him. He has never been physically abusive, but he has said some harsh words. BUT...we have been married for 6 months now, and it is amazing to see how God is changing him. Just an example, he was angry with me Saturday, and I responded to him as if everything was alrigh (long-suffering)t. Did the same thing Sunday, and this morning, he called just to say hello and "I'm sorry", which he NEVER says. I guess my point is, when it comes to two believers in Christ, if both people are truly seeking God's deliverance, He will give it. Sometimes people get to a point where they don't think they need God's help anymore.<br />
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I pray for people who are in abusive relationships. Because it takes "Faith" to see it through.<br />
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I think you're loo…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-16:916966:Comment:5138412009-03-16T16:54:56.951ZMinister Lonnie D. Hamptonhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/MinisterLonnieDHampton
My Brotha,<br />
I think you're looking over my whole point. I do see yours and agree to some of what you're saying. However, I have people coming to me in confidence all the time telling me my husband is this or my wife is doing that. The first thing I ask them is to tell me about their spouse before they got married. 80% of the time, there was something about the other person that should've raised a red flag. Then they get into these relationship and wonder why he's so controling, or why he beats…
My Brotha,<br />
I think you're looking over my whole point. I do see yours and agree to some of what you're saying. However, I have people coming to me in confidence all the time telling me my husband is this or my wife is doing that. The first thing I ask them is to tell me about their spouse before they got married. 80% of the time, there was something about the other person that should've raised a red flag. Then they get into these relationship and wonder why he's so controling, or why he beats me etc. Ladies you have got to stop getting involved with these men simply because he looks good or he's fine. Those are the days of old, because some of these good looking men are beating the heck out of ya'll. Look at Chris Brown. He ain't a bad looking dude.<br />
I will never encourage anyone to leave his or her marriage unless it's a matter of life or death, and then, I'm only suggesting seperation. Not divorce. If the victim of domestic abuse can seperate him/herself from the abuse, then with prayer and help maybe the abuser will change. On the other hand, if the victim stays in the abusive marriage, the marriage could possibly end in an untimely death. When you see as many deaths by spouse as I have, then maybe you'll understand why I feel the way I do. I hope you never have to experience someone close to you being shot in the head (as I did) at close range by her gealous spouse.<br />
I'm not encouraging folks to walk out of a marriage because of an arguement. If that be the case, my wife and I would've been divorced.<br />
As far as mental, emotional, sexual abuse is concerned, they are just as bad if not worse than physical. They tear down a persons self esteem.<br />
I encourage anyone who's having marital problems, to in addition to reading the bible and praying, read a book called "Love Dare." You can pick it up at walmart for about $10. Man of God. I can appreciate…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-15:916966:Comment:5126882009-03-15T23:29:56.964ZMinister Lonnie D. Hamptonhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/MinisterLonnieDHampton
Man of God. I can appreciate your dedication and commitment to your wife. She should count her blessings every day for having a husband like you.<br />
However, I have one question for you. DO YOU HAVE DAUGHTERS? I DO! In fact, I havae five. (Take a look at the family pictures on my profile) I'm blessed to to have beautiful girls. They don't see me mistreating my wife, and I'll be doggone if I sit back and watch a man beat my child (when I didn't beat them). Lets be transparent. I'm saved, but if a…
Man of God. I can appreciate your dedication and commitment to your wife. She should count her blessings every day for having a husband like you.<br />
However, I have one question for you. DO YOU HAVE DAUGHTERS? I DO! In fact, I havae five. (Take a look at the family pictures on my profile) I'm blessed to to have beautiful girls. They don't see me mistreating my wife, and I'll be doggone if I sit back and watch a man beat my child (when I didn't beat them). Lets be transparent. I'm saved, but if a man ever puts his hands on one of my daughters, my ministry will immediately change to prison ministry, because I'm going to jail. You can't compare the beating that Jesus endured to a man abusing his wife. Yes, I know Jesus took a horrible beating, but Jesus took to beatings so we wouldn't have too. He took the beating to give us a chance to have salvation. My daughter, and no one else's daughter taking a beating is gonna save the world.<br />
Women God does hate divorce just as well as He hates sin period. However, use the good sense that God gave you and get out of these abusive relationships. Too many of them end in death one way or another. I'm sure you'll agree that God also hates murder huh? Hello to all respondents, it…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-15:916966:Comment:5119952009-03-15T05:37:51.155ZProphetess Pinki Moorehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ProphetessPinkiMoore
Hello to all respondents, it appears a nerve has been touched based on the responses posted, it is clear, that God died for our sins as well as took the beating for us, EVERYTHING He did, He did for us, He stood in our place, yes you can be abused, mentally and emotionally, because the abuser is so wise and cunning one has just enough sense not to hit you, hence to leave evidence of their behavior, ie. bruises, black eyes, broken bones. Mr. Newman, not everyone is fortunate to have had success…
Hello to all respondents, it appears a nerve has been touched based on the responses posted, it is clear, that God died for our sins as well as took the beating for us, EVERYTHING He did, He did for us, He stood in our place, yes you can be abused, mentally and emotionally, because the abuser is so wise and cunning one has just enough sense not to hit you, hence to leave evidence of their behavior, ie. bruises, black eyes, broken bones. Mr. Newman, not everyone is fortunate to have had success in marriage as you, and yes it does say whoever marries one that is divorced and the spouse is allive commits adultery, however, sir, He said that my grace is sufficient, if that be the case there would be no one in the church, given the high ratio of divorce within the body, Having said that, if a person who continues to lie, cheat, steal, manipulate or whatever, eat too much then if it is wrong or sinful, are they considered a lost soul, having missed the mark, or is the grace of God sufficient? that is why it is called Amazing Grace. What it will take is for men like you loving your wife, teaching other men, in the spirit of love, by word and demonstration how to love as Christ loved the church. We live in a society, where many man, wants as many women as he can have (riding on the grace and mercies of God) unfaithful, uncommitted, unthankful, unholy, IN the church. These people, the Winans were already divorced, whatever the reason is not my business, it just didn't work out. I am sure you have said something somewhere in the course of your marriage to make your wife cry, many people don't have the stickitto ness to endure, I can guarantee you this, not one person I know on this panel walked into their marriage with the intention of one day walking out or being left for someone else. It's called life, but you don't have to get so angry as a Man of God, worldwide fame to the point you are hauled off to jail. His was broadcasted nationwide as others, as a tactic from the enemy to laugh at the church simply because of his status in "church society" imagine please the number of women in the body of Christ, being abused on a daily/weekly basis, saying nothing, doing nothing, because of the mentality you have, that we are to take it, the devil is a lie. I am one that will fight back. Abuse is unacceptable, ask Bishop Weeks, better yet ask BeBe Winans, Dr. Pastor Randy White, Tina Turner, Chris Brown, need I say anymore. Ask the many hundreds of thousands of women who is sitting in jail because one day she decided to fight back and ended up taking that person's life, they will tell you it was unacceptable. I pray you have only sons and no daughters, because every woman that has ever been victimized is someone's daughter, sister, mother, aunt... And we wonder why our childre…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-15:916966:Comment:5115742009-03-15T01:00:52.586ZScott R. Newmanhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ScottRNewman
And we wonder why our children and young people laugh at the idea of marriage. No why, cause they have witnessed only failed ones. They never got to see the power of God's Word working from going from two to ONE. I guess if it doesn't happen in our time frame, not God's lets just give up forsake our vows, not be faithful, leave and cleave to someone else and teach our children, what? So I guess when we do leave our vows and covenant we now will be celibate for the rest of our lives, since the…
And we wonder why our children and young people laugh at the idea of marriage. No why, cause they have witnessed only failed ones. They never got to see the power of God's Word working from going from two to ONE. I guess if it doesn't happen in our time frame, not God's lets just give up forsake our vows, not be faithful, leave and cleave to someone else and teach our children, what? So I guess when we do leave our vows and covenant we now will be celibate for the rest of our lives, since the Bible is clear from the lips of our Saviour that if one divorces and the spouse is still alive and you re-marry you will be in...ADULTERY.<br />
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What say you?