Sin in American Churches is a very touchy subject..Why is that?

How should sin be addressed in our churches? With the new interfaith initiatives and the introduction of the inclusionary doctrines, many leaders feel muzzled to speak against sin in our churches. That being said, should we allow mainstream media to persuade our gospel teachings? Just looking for feedback.

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Wow I applaud you for using part of a scripture, but negative points for putting down yet another Pastor.  So you're trying to direct people to something that has 100 other bitter people just like you, wow that would be a great way to not praise God...Lets go on a website that is filled with people dwelling on the past and how they were mistreated at a church by the Pastor at that church.  Let's trade stories that speaks bad about a man that is trying to do Gods work but we are so hurt and that we can't forgive him so we just get together and reignite anger so we can stop moving forward.  Let's all get together and be unforgiving and yet still call ourselves christians.  Let's speak bad about Apostle Howell, because we want him to be condemned so we can prove he's not a man of God, unless we condemn him so much that we make it appear as if he's like Jesus...  

Wait wasn't it Jesus that said "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets."

Wasn't it also Jesus that said "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake."

So are you guys just proving what Jesus said by hating Apostle Howell and spreading hate about him?  Man way to go, thank you for making his purpose that much more believable.  I mean I've always known that he was indeed sent by God, mainly because of his fruit and works, they line up with the bible unlike what you're doing here, but now what you're saying about him makes it look like what he's doing truly is a mission from God.  Because why would satan bad talk satan?  I know you're not of God because you have yet to truly use the word to back your angry words but the devil wouldn't try to start an internet campaign against somebody that was of the devil.  You may definitely be a blessing in disguise, but not how you want, but like in Genesis when Joseph told his brothers, what you meant for my bad God meant for my good.   Wow thanks.

I applaud you for only know what your granny told you.


No one hates you and no one is persecuting you PATRICK FORBES.  Again stay out of grown peoples business. 


If you had been listening to the Spirit then you would not be on the web begging people to buy your books because of your dumb decision to follow Howell. 


You led your family down a dead - end road and now you want to jump in deep waters where you can't swim.  So shut up and go change your babies diapers. (smile)


By the way, just cause your children have not caught lice, ringworms OR CRABS doesn't make this made up or a lie.


Have a good nite son.

Here is ignorance for you.  Being a minister (one of 60 made up preachers) and don't have enough sense to balance a checkbook.  THAT'S RIGHT - FLOATIN A BAD CHECK!  You know it is really bad when you work in a bank or credit union and you still bounce a check.  Is our money safe?

Here is ignorance.  when one claims to be a preacher, running a business but you ain't honest enough to go to owner of your rented building and tell them you are leaving.  That is called not paying your just debt.  That is the kind of preacher at LCI.


Here is ignorance doing the same job as the Devil in revelation to prove that a church is not of God.  You know the scripture, I'm going to let you use think of it and if you can't get it then I'll let you know in my next reply.  

Also here is ignorance bringing up lies about people in order to prove a point. And if it is the truth then what if God has forgiven them of it...hmm are you bringing up things that people have already repented of...Hmmm Are you saying that you are without sin?  

I have yet to read about any leader in the bible other than Jesus that was without sin, so bringing up things that people may or may not have done isn't really proving a point.  As a matter of fact it's kind of judgemental.  Not really going along with the're on a roll for showing yourself to not be a Christian...let's see your next post, maybe I'll have my mind changed there...

Look Patrick Forbes, Howell has never repented.  He was not repenting the other week when was over here in Landstuhl running around with that married woman.


What if Howell molest your wife, YOUR MOTHER, you sister, your aunt, your grandmother????


So young and so naive.


You ain't no better than Elder Levi -Walker.


How are you going to criticize any of us when Howell has yet to offend and hurt you.  What do you know about being a Christian following a liar.


RUN ALONG SUNNY AND STAY OUT OF GROWN PEOPLE BUSINESS.  Besides you ain't suppose to be here as Howell will probably set you.


Don't forget you lied about not being a member of the Howell's ministry.

Nobel Son, your cover is blown PATRICK FORBES.  Forbes is one of Apostle Howell' s lying ministers who left the Air Force to follow a wife cheating, skirt chasing leader.  Now Forbes feels like a fool and wants to look cool.

We have too many WEAK JELLYBACKED BOYS playing boy and NOT standing firm on what God has stated.

They feel muzzuled because they lack the faith to trust in the God who called them instead they are afraid of losing their job.  When any of us fail to walk/beled in/by the Spirit we change our operation to the flesh and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Oh my gosh, I think you may have redeemed yourself a little, but wait you said they that are in the flesh cannot please God, by your words your are justified and by your words you are condemned, so does that mean you are not pleasing God when you are making those posts against Apostle Howell?  Are you pleasing God by spreading lies or by not having found a suitable church yet?  Surely you don't think you are in the spirit and still looking for a real man of God?  Maybe you're looking with your eyes and not being led by the spirit, and if you haven't been led by the spirit then can you truly be trusted to be speaking the truth about Apostle Howell?  

I'm not saying anything other then truth.  You said you will be happy when you find a real man of God, but yet you're talking crap about a Preacher that regardless of what you say does have a successful ministry.  But you aren't under any type of spiritual authority that spiritual?  Or is that you living by the flesh.  You're in a way putting yourselves in the shoes of a preacher by going out and spreading warnings about somebody that is a Preacher, I mean you are trying to be heard and make a point about Apostle Howell, and the word says how can they hear without a preacher and how can he preach unless he's sent.  I'm mean you're not preaching the gospel but you are preaching something.  So were you sent and if so by who?

Maybe I'm reading too far into this.  But that's just what it appears to be.  Maybe you can explain yourself better in your next hateful reply.  Until then...

Right now it looks as if "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

FORBES, stay out of grown folk business!  DON'T YOU HAVE A THIRD JOB TO GO TO?


When you get some wisdom come back and talk to us.

The Book of Genesis speaks about how not only the Serpent was punished for his manipulation of Eve, but Eve and Adam were also punished.  With everything that you say, you're still sinning.  Revelations speaks of how the devil stands accusing the brethren.  That all you do Wanzo is name drop.  You are no better than what you're accusing Apostle of.  You had to reach far back for an accuser, she left 13 years ago.  The people you get accuse Apostle of things that may or may not have happened over a decade ago.  Wanzo or should I say legion, because you are many, have yet to give your testimony.  You spoke of having to comfort somebody that you brought back into this mess.  Why can't you see that you are in sin.  If you said that there are police reports and an investigation on Apostle, then why are you on  here?  Why do you call out people that have nothing to do with you or how you feel you've been wronged.  You don't care anything about anybody but yourself if you did you would stop trying to drag people's names through the mud that are only trying to be christians.  If you say there is a case then let the law figure it out.

Once again people reading this, wanzo isn't a Christian.  Wanzo is a demon on here trying to get people's minds off of Christ, trying to spread hatred.  The only way he can prove his or their point is to try to get you to hate or be angry at somebody.  But that's not God.  In Galatians 5:8-10 Says "This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.  A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.  I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: be he that troubleth you shall bear his judgement, whosoever he be."  5:13-26 "13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


Wanzo Brown is an angry bitter group of people that will stop at nothing to spread hate.  As I said if there is an investigation then leave this alone.  Delete the posts, go away what more do you stand to do,  If Apostle is guilty then he's guilty these posts won't change anything but if he's innocent then you guys are falsely and unrighteously attacking an innocent man.  Either way what you're doing cannot be backed up by the word nor is it of God.  This is not christian behavior this is the behavior of a demon.  Read Wanzo's posts people does it look like the "voice" of one person or many?  As I said Legion...

So sad that Noble son does not realize that none of us are bitter or angry.  As for the serpent that decieved - that same spirit is in the leader of Life Changers International New Horizons' Ministry here in Kaiserslautern, Germany.  Everytime Noble Son and the other follower of Apostle Ronald D. Howell Sr assemble they hear the god of this age speaking to them just like Eve heard that same voice.  Just like then the Devil is still a liar and he has Apostle Howell FIRM in his grips.


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