The Argument Over A Name

Our Saviour Hebrew name is Yeshua but I am not Hebrew so I am happy to call Him by His English name Jesus, which is the name I called upon and He save me and the Holy spirit have not convicted me when I call the Saviour Jesus, in none of my dreams or visions I have of Him has He ever condemn me or refuse to answer to the name of Jesus.

God is and was the one who confound all our language so I don't believe he is going to beat us up over the name plus Yeshua is the name of the Son yet when Jesus was in ministry here on earth he did not say he came in his own name he said he come in His fathers name John 5:43 and the father is not Yeshua, the father is I AM - Yahweh (YHWH). 

When Moses ask what name should I tell the people that sent Him he was told tell them I AM (YHWH) sent him not Yeshua.

When the angel appear only Mary and Joseph was giving the name Yeshua. During Christ Ministry he constantly refered to himself as I AM (YHWH) the fathers name even when he was ascending he did not say Yeshua will be with you always he said I AM (YHWH) will be with you always Matthew 28:20. 

People if calling the Saviour Yeshua was such a big deal Christ would have been using that name instead check it He use His Fathers name, I AM (YHWH) the way, I am (YHWH) the bread of life etc

I think satan has come amongst us trying to tie us up in confusion so we will take our eyes off our Saviour. 

Let us stop this nonsense and come into realisation of what is important and that is that we know who the Saviour is, that before the beginning he was with God and through him and by him and for him the world was made and that he who was in the beginning with God came born of women conceived from the seed of the Holy Spirit to be among us being fully man and fully God, He died for our sins, and was risen on the third day to give all who believe in him everlasting life.

People there has only ever been one such as him so God will recognise who we refer to whether we call him by Jesus or Yeshua.

As long as we don't allow ourselves to be fooled into thinking he is the blue-eyed blond picture because none of us know what He physically look like and it is by his voice we will know him not by his name or his looks. 

The word says my sheep know my voice not my sheep know my looks or my name none of us have a description of of his physical look or if he will come having a colour and if we believe we do that is where we will get deceived because when the evil one comes the word says even the elect will be deceived. 

So people let us ignore the tactics of satan and look to our Saviour, concentrating on hearing him through his word and forget what he looks like and get away from the useless argument over the name because it is not by his name or by his look we will know him it is by His VOICE.

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Jaja, why cant you get it I have been given a choice and God do not mind me calling His Son Jesus and that is what matters. You are trying to make yourself powerful by trying to act as the slave master, trying to force people to do something that please you.  

We are interested in pleasing God not Jaja stop acting outside of God because you are trying to esteem yourself above God and that just wont do.  If God is okay with us using Jesus why should it bother you.  Jaja no one is subjected to you stop using the tactics of satan stop trying to make God's people become slave to you. Stop it now and ask yourself why are you making this a personal deal, why are you ascending above God. 

Our job is to spread the Gospel, we are not instructed to defend the gospel because God is quite capable of doing so Himself you are using bullying tactics, you are using hate, and you are being abusive to God’s people. Those are the attributes of the evil one so stop it, if God did not want us to have a free choice he would not have place two trees in the garden so stop it. God wants us of self to make decision  and all God's people need to do is inform others not force others.   



Know ye not that lucifer try to ascend above God and was thrown out of heaven so stop your nonsense and come out from among them you have chase every wind of doctrine and have allowed your mind to become twisted so that you can no longer see the truth. Jaja there is only happiness in Christ; you cannot have Christ in you when you are intent on killing His people, when you are intent on destroying His people.  The word of God says the devil, the evil one come but to kill, steal and destroy so why are you intent on doing his job for him.  Christ comes but to give us life, He wants none of His people to perish, He wants only the good for His people, He want His people to have life more abundantly, to have joy and peace, His plan is for the good, show me where destroying, tearing down and killing the people are doing them good. You are turning people away from Christ you are leading them into rebellion against God. Think about it does that sound familiar to you.

Okay Jaja, first up I really am okay on the history of the name yes first off the new Testament was originally written in Greek not in Hebrew neither in Aramaic the language of our Saviour. So it stand to reason that if Matthew was written in Greek the Greek version of my Saviours name Iēsous would be the one used and Iēsous is a translation of Yeshua it means the same thing as Yeshua because what translation does is translate words directly into another language retaining its original meaning.  Now there was a problem that developed in that the majority of people were unable to access the Bible the poorer people did not speak or rad Greek or Hebrew, probably due to the fact that the Romans were the ruling power force they had a great empire to include England so the language mostly spoken was Latin so a translation of the Bible was done and in translation the new Testament from Greek into Latin there were a problem because what one found was the alphabets or letters were not all available in each language so when it came to translation from the Greek or even the Hebrew it was not possible to directly at that time and period to translate the name Iēsous or even Yashua into Latin so they came up with a plan to keep the essence, of the name so as it was not possible to do a translation they decided to do a transliteration now what is a transliteration what that is where they could not find a Latin word for Iēsous  or Yashua they decided to find a word or name that had the same exact meaning so they translated from the meaning of the name so Yeshua and Iēsous means Saviour so Jesus which by the way is Latin not Greek is an actual transliteration from the word Saviour. So they translated Saviour and not Iēsous or Yeshua and come up with the Latin name Jesus which is know as a transliteration because it is translated from the actual meaning of the name instead of the name. Now Jaja whichever way you look at it Yeshua means one who save, a Saviour, Iēsous means Saviour and Jesus means Saviour so stop with your nonsense there was no attempt to deceive, they did the best with what was available they kept the essence He came into this world to Save the people, He is the Saviour of the world and His name portray the fact of His purpose here on earth to save the people. 


And I shall continue to call His name Jesus because it denotes to me that He is my Saviour.

In the sixteenth century the Greek New Testament was published for the first time in printed form. The great Dutch philologist Desiderius Erasmus of Rotterdam had established a text from a handful of manuscripts dating from the later Middle Ages. Unfortunately he used only manuscripts of inferior quality for his edition of 1516. A few verses from the Apocalypse were lacking in the manuscripts at his disposal. He simply re-translated them from the current Latin version! Erasmus' intention with his edition was to provide a basis for a new Latin translation of the New Testament. The Reformers used it to produce vernacular translations of their own.

This conversation reminds me of the conversation about what to do or not do on the Sabbath and holidays or perhaps if one should eat this or that or even pork? 

After writing that I am almost certain that someone is likely to take exception with that one sentence, let alone the rest of this?

Many do not know it, but we actually own our own Bible School and the big thing we strive to get across to people is simply not to add or take away from scripture and let love and peace be your guide, hopefully being led by the Spirit of God? 

I know that it is probably hard for some to believe, but I actually try not to be offensive and is one of the reasons why I write Jesus/Yeshua depending on who is reading what I am writing. It is to me at least telling people about how wrong Christmas is, but as it is a holiday I say nothing on the subject as it would be in an effort to tell people what to do or not to do and simply suggest we are to be led by the Spirit of God, which is to seek God on important issues to make sure it is clear as to what we should do or not do? But then then next thing happens is that some teacher somewhere tries to tell people what the Spirit taught them making that more important than a person seeking the Holy Spirit for the truth?

This is very connected to the conversation or debate of what to call God as a name? As I sought Him for what to call Him, He said to me, call me Father. I said OK! 

The point of what I am writing is that we are to do everything as unto the Lord, no matter what we do, understanding that we are on earth not to get into a lot of debates, but to actually represent the love and will of the Father who sent Jesus/Yeshua, who also sends us.

We are under the law of love and liberty? At least in my opinion or what I see at least happening is there are two basic groups of believers, one believes that they are to be led by the Bible and other teachings and while no one leaves the Bible out of anything the other group suggests we are to be led by the Spirit of God. 

I think the overall importance is about really a condition of our hearts. What divides us often is a spirit where one says they are over the other and one way to have that happen is to be more right than the other? I have found that in general, we are all as goofy and as a box of rocks and no one is right, but allow Him to be right in everything.

Does Jesus/Yeshua care more about what we call Him than perhaps working as one to end starvation or one of the other really very important things we have the ability to fix, if simply we have the heart to stand together to fix the things that are important to Him? 

Of course as soon as I say that I know someone is likely to come back with the concept with that there will always be poor among us, which somehow attempts to justify why some should starve to death? Dah! 

What I see in the church is that there are many who accept Jesus/Yeshua as Savior, but in truth how many actually die to self to make Him Lord, which at least used to be one of the important parts of how salvation was defined. 

To me the law of love should prevail. Mind you that is only an opinion, but it is mine and I need to be responsible to our Father for that opinion and pray and really pray and pray more that I take no one in the wrong direction or even influence them in the wrong direction?

I realize that some might take that as a sitting the fence type answer or that I am luke-warm? Everyday I go back and appreciate what Jesus/Yeshua our brother did for us as an individual and as the body of Christ.

First part of being a Netzari is allowing other groups to believe as they choose right or wrong. I did not have to even agree with my head teacher if I chose not to, but I best be able to defend what I believe or thought.

It may be hard for every one here to see it as you do not know our ways, but I am defending my sister a good student, but also am trying to show her a tiny gem, that once she catches it will more than take this contender out!

I do not think you sit on the fence as I do the same thing , when in Christian groups use "Jesus: and among Messianics / Jewish  "Yeshua" in writing "Y'shua" as they are comfortable.

 1 Corinthians 9:19: “For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.”

The Peshita Text (originals) on scroll all date 100 CE . ALL THESE ARE WRITTEN IN ARAMAIC!! EXCEPT the Pauline texts. 

Scholars today continue to Vilify  these works still clinging and claiming Greek as the original! THIS IS A LIE! 

We have now found scrolls that were hidden in the dead sea proving our claim! A legal battle to return the texts from Armenian Catholics ensued and now the Netzari retain the texts once entrusted to them.  Due to these persons like Andrew Gabriel Roth, and Baruach Ben Daniel published the Aramaic English New Testament and made this works available to all.

 Since the formation of the Netzari the oldest of orders next to "The children of the Way" and a couple other schools we are the oldest. We have continued to conduct our services in Aramaic not Hebrew. Our offices and responsibilities remain as Y'shua set them to be refusing to use the terms like Rabbi or Reverend.

Jesus does not mean savior... reread that note I gave you regarding women and Help Meet.... that is the term used for Y'shua Ezer did not you notice even in Greek they separate the names Jesus and Savior

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Jaja, you are doing research and in your quest for truth you are looking and studying other books whether they be science, archeology, history or other version of Scriptures, videos, books, written by a created being just like you and me.  Can you explain why you believe you believe these created beings had a monopoly on the heart of God, on the mindset of God, why is it you so easily accept what these created being state to be the absolutely and infallible truth of God. Jaja try and explain why is it not possible that you are being used by the anti christ to accomplish Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. 

You see my concern is we are so near to the end time so near to Christ returning and what I see is the fulfillment of Scripture the period in which even some of the elect will be led to believe all the changes of the evil man, the one who attempts to change the Scriptures so that he himself is worship. 

You see Jaja don't you my concern and the concern of many is this new thought process of yours is seeping through near the end at the times that the Scriptures warning us of this very same thing happening.  When I look around I can see the fulfillment of Scripture coming to pass and you stand there and expect me and countless others to ignore the things that we are witnessing being fulfilled by the very Scripture that you are attempting to change the whole ethos of. It frankly don't make sense because the Scriptures I know has not proven wrong in fact it is playing out in front of my very eyes and even to the fact that right at this precise time even now there are anti christ spirits amongst us, so come now how will you convince me that you are not one of them spirit that are at this moment on earth after all you are trying to convince me that the Scriptures which is unfolding in front of my eyes is a lie and you want me to believe the newfound information that you Jaja claim is truth but you cannot proof the truth of it to me.


 

 

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