The Old Testament is an old covenant, superseded by the Blood of Jesus. Let me ask a question, in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), how many people did Jesus inflict sickness upon? And, if Jesus said He only did what He saw the Father do (John 5:19) and he made none sick, how many, then, does God make sick.
Again, we're talking about believers here...
And, yet, Paul's teaching to the Corinthian church stated that sickness (and even physical death) can be chastisement by the Lord:
Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. [1 Corinthians 11:27-32]
I don't mind glancing at your article, but it is not eisegesis to read a passage plainly. "For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep." That verse doesn't only indicate that discipline can involve sickness or death... it flatly declares the same.
Now, you can argue that this verse shouldn't be read so literally... that Paul may be speaking in a doctrinal short-hand here, and that elsewhere he more carefully delineates how God actually takes down the hedge of protection, and Satan does the buffeting (I think that view is supported by 1 Cor. 5:5, and other passages). But charging me with eisegesis is a little unfair. I didn't add anything to the verse I quoted... I read it plainly.
Touché on the eisegesis. Good to know I am conversing with someone with substantial intellectual horsepower :)
I will accept your offer to take the position of Paul using a doctrinal shorthand. However, I don't accept the premise that discipline involves sickness or death.
I do, however, appreciate the depth of your argument!
I agree that it often takes loss or suffering to bring someone to Christ but I do not subscribe to the notion that, once we become His children, He will cause suffering to come into our lives. John 10:10 clearly says that "the thief (satan) comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I (Jesus) come that they may have life and have it more abundantly." Here Jesus compares and contrasts Himself with our adversary and submits, as do I, that He brings abundant life.
Now, I ask you, is there anything abundant about sickness, lack, depression, or despair? No sir, these are the work of the enemy. Of course, we have a part to play in this, we must live holy lives -- abiding in Jesus as His Word abides in us. This is how the curse passes over us -- because we are covered by the Blood of Jesus!
Grace and Peace,
All your points are valid. However, God gave us dominion in the earth. We lost it through sin but Jesus restored it through the victory at Calvary. That said, it is not God who permits or denies satan access to us, rather it is ourselves. We must remain in the vine to remain under His protection. It is when we step outside the vine in sin, fear, or doubt that the adversary touches folks.
And, yes, Jesus suffered in the natural for the greater good. He was our sacrifice! He suffered so we don't have to -- as long as we are in Him.
I know what I'm speaking of here is radical but the revelation of it changed my life. I no longer abide in sickness or pain because I know it is not the will of either my Heavenly Father or my Savior. Because I abide in His Word, I find my chastisement in His Word; that perfect truth corrects me whenever I veer off course.
I have truly been set free by relationship with my Heavenly Father through Christ Jesus and it is my heart's desire to see others experience the same liberty I've found in Him. When folks say God made them sick, they are operating in religious bondage; I want to see that yoke destroyed.
Grace and Peace,
I think you and I are much closer than either of us think (smile). I agree with you that trials do come and sickness and suffering do come, my point is that they are not of God. Yes, I do get colds but since I caught this revelation, I know that they are from the enemy and, therefore, can speak to them and cause them to flee. I have seen folks delivered from things as devastating as cancer when they caught this revelation. I'm not saying that a believer cannot get sick -- after all, we live in a fallen world -- what I'm saying is that as a believer, we have a benefits package whose fine print is in Psalms 103 and 3 John 2.
I've enjoyed the fellowshipping as well! Iron sharpens iron!
Grace and Peace,
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