The Coming Storm
The Coming Storm
In the Spirit, I saw a huge storm. I was observing the whole thing as though I was hovering over the sea and watching each boat and ship as the waters began to swell and the wind and waves caused each one to be tossed about.
I saw as boats of varying size were subjected to the elements, and each faced huge waves, that rose up out of the sea like towers. I saw as smaller boats would come to the huge wave and would rise up high as they were borne to the top of the wave.
But then I saw a huge ship, somewhat like the older sailing ships, and as these came to the huge wave they were pushed upwards and backwards, until the force of the water caused them to be turned all the way backwards and crash onto the water upside down.
I saw some of these being driven onto the rocks and being smashed into pieces.
The Losers...
The carnage seemed to go on and on and never end, until I could see the waters were full of huge ships that had succumbed to the storm. I could see some of the masts and portions of the bow sticking out through the waters as they were tossed to and fro and pushed out to sea.
As I cried out in despair, "when will this all end,” I saw the waters finally subside and now the waves began to drive towards the shore, what remained of the many ships that had been in the storm.
I could see pieces of wreckage and the remains of many of the big ships. Some of them were sunken below the waters, and their masts still jutted out and were visible.
The Survivors...
But then I noticed something interesting. There were boats that were coming ashore that appeared totally unharmed. These were not huge vessels, but mostly smaller boats such as rowing boats, motor boats, and small cruise vessels.
Some of them seemed almost as though they were airtight and unsinkable. They showed no signs of damage at all, but looked as good as new. I saw as someone restarted the engine on one of these small boats, and it kicked into action immediately and went off with power.
It seemed as though my 'backyard', as it were, in the water, was filled with many of these smaller boats, which seemed to come from nowhere. They all looked unharmed and ready to take to the water. Then I saw as the news crews and investigators came in to find out what had happened. And I saw as two men were singled out as being heroes of the day, for they had obviously been involved in successful rescue operations, and had succeeded in saving many of these boats and bringing them together.
There appeared to be two prominent men who were singled out, since they had worked together as a team during the storm. One of them was a white man, and the other black. And these men were subjected to interrogation to find out who had given them authority to be involved in the operation, and they were asked to produce papers to prove who they were and from where they had received license and authority. I knew in the Spirit that these men were highly qualified and authorized to do the job. But they carried no official papers and were not in a position to prove their authority or identify themselves.
It became clear to me why they could not do this, and therefore refused to do so. They had been given a job to do as part of a covert operation, and were working under cover as part of a secret operation that could not be revealed to the world openly, least of all to the news cameras.
Rather than attempting to defend or explain themselves, or earn the right to be hailed as heroes and splashed all over the headlines of the news, they chose instead to disappear amongst the crowds, looking for others who like them had been set apart to carry out covert operations. I knew in my vision that these men carried the highest authority, and were like officers in an army at war, who had removed all insignia of authority so that the enemy could not identify them and thus expose them for attack.
But those whom they worked with knew them, and knew who they were, and they exercised their authority in that way. It was not for the world to recognize them. They needed no such acclaim or recognition.
The Purpose of The Vision
The vision was clearly an external prophetic vision, and therefore a revelation from God concerning others.
As I meditated on it and waited on the Lord, it became clear to me that the Lord had given me a prophetic word for the Body of Christ, and that I needed to make this word known to those who had an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches at this time.
THE INTERPRETATION:
As I waited on the Lord He gave me the following word for the Body of Christ:
Behold there is coming a storm says the Lord, that will shake the earth, and indeed it will be directed against the Body of Christ. For the enemy knows that his time is limited and he seeks to destroy everything that will hinder him and destroy his kingdom.
Therefore as Herod sought to destroy the Christ child by slaying many young children, the enemy will seek to destroy those ministries that I have set in place, by causing a storm of unprecedented proportions to come upon the visible church.
And as this storm shall come upon the earth, there will come a time of testing for each ministry that has taken to sea. And the seaworthiness of each boat will be tested thoroughly as each one faces the storm.
There will be those ministries who like the ships of old are large and bulky, carrying too much weight and unnecessary cargo, which when faced with the power of the sea will find themselves unable to withstand the pressure.
They will be overturned and driven upon the rocks, because they were not made to withstand the storm. They may have looked huge and magnificent when the waters were calm, but the storm will expose their weakness and they will be destroyed and disappear beneath the waters. But there will be those vessels that are made to withstand every storm that the enemy would bring against them. They are newer vessels, equipped with better power and lightweight and resilient. They will not be large and bulky but small and full of power and maneuverability and they will face the storm boldly without experiencing any damage.
For they cannot be sunk by the strongest of winds and torrents. And when the storm is over they will rise to the surface to be seen by all. They will be gathered together to function under the guidance of those whom I have raised up for this purpose. And those whom I have chosen and ordained to bring such ministries together will be examined by the world and by the church system to find out how they obtained such power and authority.
Others will want to know from whence they received their power and who gave them license. They will be interrogated like My servants long ago, who were asked, "By what name or authority do you do these things?" And they will, like the Son of Man, refuse to expose themselves or attempt to defend themselves in order to receive acclaim from man. These will be My mighty men says the Lord, and they will be men and women of all colors, creeds and nations. They will rise up and lead My people to victory, not justifying themselves or demanding recognition, for their authority will be clear to all, and they will be known by name to those amongst whom they work.
And as they shall continue to work in the secrecy of the task that I have given to them, I will cause them to come across the paths of others who are in like manner called to work under cover for Me. And they will meet and recognize each other, and instead of competing with one another, they will work together, each in their own right, to accomplish the task that I have given to them. And I will cause to rise up at this time many ministries that will be small and powerful says the Lord. For their emphasis will not be on size and appearance, but on functionality. They will turn from the old way of doing things, and refuse to be patterned after the ministries of yesteryear, which though they might look magnificent and awesome, are inefficient and incapable of completing the work that I have called them to do.
And the enemy will have great difficulty overcoming this new fleet of ships that make up My ministries in the Church, for each one will be self-contained and fully functioning, but each will remain small, so that instead of a few large vessels, there will instead be a multitude of small vessels.
The Reason For Small...
Therefore whereas in the past, the enemy could cripple the work by attacking a large vessel, and thus drowning many at the same time, now he will have to attack many different ministries in order to stop the work. And not only will these smaller ministries be more powerful and unsinkable, but there will be a vast number of them.
So that if the enemy should succeed in sinking such a vessel, he would only have destroyed a few and not many. He will soon find that he does not have the resources to cripple the work or cause My kingdom to be weakened.
The Reason For Secrecy...
And when he seeks to attack those who are in leadership in the Church, he will find himself being unable to easily identify them. For they will not stand out attempting to gain recognition for themselves, but they will continue to function, being known only to those amongst whom they work.
They will often not even know each other until they meet by divine appointment along the way. So that even if the enemy should cause some of these leaders to fall and to defect to his side, he will not be able to find out from them where the others are. He will find that he faces an impossible task if he wishes to destroy the work. Thus from the storm that the kingdom of darkness shall bring upon this world and upon the church shall arise much good says the Lord. And for those who have placed their confidence in the strength of man, and have their boast in the size and magnificence of those ministries that appear to be somewhat, there will come a wakeup call. For they will find that the vessel they thought was a safety and a security was in fact a danger and a false hope.
Do Not Fear But Look Up...
To those who have looked upon their ministry as small and insignificant, the Lord would say rejoice and continue to make secure what I have given you. Do not be dismayed nor discouraged or feel that you are all alone in the world. For I have raised up many like you says the Lord, and though you might not know who they are, there will come a time when you will be gathered together under the leadership of My servants the End Times Apostles whom I am raising up in secret at this time.
And the storm is not something which you need to fear. For the storm cannot destroy you, but it will instead cause you to rise up and be seen by others. And as a result of the storm, you will come to meet others like yourself that have been prepared in the background and unseen. And together you shall make up an invincible force for Me says the Lord. Each one will continue to function with power and resilience as I have taught you, and as you shall continue to operate in the way I have shown you, so you will extend My power into the earth and cause many other ministries to arise like yourself, that will know My power and will be unsinkable by the enemy.
Seek not the old way of ministry, for such ministries will not be able to withstand the storm and will be driven to the rocks. And you will see their debris floating in the water, and they will be no more. Indeed they will become wreckages that will lie in the water as obstacles to you when you pass through the water. Therefore avoid them and have nothing to do with them, or you will become a partaker of their destruction says the Lord.
A Personal Word From Apostle Les D. Crause
I release this word to the Body of Christ, not to condemn or expose, but to warn and encourage those whom God is raising up in these end times to take an active part in extending the Kingdom of God into the earth, and those whom He is training in secret to work together, from every tribe, kindred and tongue, to lead and direct the end times ministries that God is raising up.
The purpose is not to instill fear in anyone, for God is not the author of the storm, but the enemy. Therefore see the coming storm as something positive rather than negative, for it will expose that which is not of God, and bring to the forefront those whom He is preparing for the wonderful new move that has already begun to take place in the earth.
In the Spirit, I saw a huge storm. I was observing the whole thing as though I was hovering over the sea and watching each boat and ship as the waters began to swell and the wind and waves caused each one to be tossed about.
I saw as boats of varying size were subjected to the elements, and each faced huge waves, that rose up out of the sea like towers. I saw as smaller boats would come to the huge wave and would rise up high as they were borne to the top of the wave.
But then I saw a huge ship, somewhat like the older sailing ships, and as these came to the huge wave they were pushed upwards and backwards, until the force of the water caused them to be turned all the way backwards and crash onto the water upside down.
I saw some of these being driven onto the rocks and being smashed into pieces.
The Losers...
The carnage seemed to go on and on and never end, until I could see the waters were full of huge ships that had succumbed to the storm. I could see some of the masts and portions of the bow sticking out through the waters as they were tossed to and fro and pushed out to sea.
As I cried out in despair, "when will this all end,” I saw the waters finally subside and now the waves began to drive towards the shore, what remained of the many ships that had been in the storm.
I could see pieces of wreckage and the remains of many of the big ships. Some of them were sunken below the waters, and their masts still jutted out and were visible.
The Survivors...
But then I noticed something interesting. There were boats that were coming ashore that appeared totally unharmed. These were not huge vessels, but mostly smaller boats such as rowing boats, motor boats, and small cruise vessels.
Some of them seemed almost as though they were airtight and unsinkable. They showed no signs of damage at all, but looked as good as new. I saw as someone restarted the engine on one of these small boats, and it kicked into action immediately and went off with power.
It seemed as though my 'backyard', as it were, in the water, was filled with many of these smaller boats, which seemed to come from nowhere. They all looked unharmed and ready to take to the water. Then I saw as the news crews and investigators came in to find out what had happened. And I saw as two men were singled out as being heroes of the day, for they had obviously been involved in successful rescue operations, and had succeeded in saving many of these boats and bringing them together.
There appeared to be two prominent men who were singled out, since they had worked together as a team during the storm. One of them was a white man, and the other black. And these men were subjected to interrogation to find out who had given them authority to be involved in the operation, and they were asked to produce papers to prove who they were and from where they had received license and authority. I knew in the Spirit that these men were highly qualified and authorized to do the job. But they carried no official papers and were not in a position to prove their authority or identify themselves.
It became clear to me why they could not do this, and therefore refused to do so. They had been given a job to do as part of a covert operation, and were working under cover as part of a secret operation that could not be revealed to the world openly, least of all to the news cameras.
Rather than attempting to defend or explain themselves, or earn the right to be hailed as heroes and splashed all over the headlines of the news, they chose instead to disappear amongst the crowds, looking for others who like them had been set apart to carry out covert operations. I knew in my vision that these men carried the highest authority, and were like officers in an army at war, who had removed all insignia of authority so that the enemy could not identify them and thus expose them for attack.
But those whom they worked with knew them, and knew who they were, and they exercised their authority in that way. It was not for the world to recognize them. They needed no such acclaim or recognition.
The Purpose of The Vision
The vision was clearly an external prophetic vision, and therefore a revelation from God concerning others.
As I meditated on it and waited on the Lord, it became clear to me that the Lord had given me a prophetic word for the Body of Christ, and that I needed to make this word known to those who had an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches at this time.
THE INTERPRETATION:
As I waited on the Lord He gave me the following word for the Body of Christ:
Behold there is coming a storm says the Lord, that will shake the earth, and indeed it will be directed against the Body of Christ. For the enemy knows that his time is limited and he seeks to destroy everything that will hinder him and destroy his kingdom.
Therefore as Herod sought to destroy the Christ child by slaying many young children, the enemy will seek to destroy those ministries that I have set in place, by causing a storm of unprecedented proportions to come upon the visible church.
And as this storm shall come upon the earth, there will come a time of testing for each ministry that has taken to sea. And the seaworthiness of each boat will be tested thoroughly as each one faces the storm.
There will be those ministries who like the ships of old are large and bulky, carrying too much weight and unnecessary cargo, which when faced with the power of the sea will find themselves unable to withstand the pressure.
They will be overturned and driven upon the rocks, because they were not made to withstand the storm. They may have looked huge and magnificent when the waters were calm, but the storm will expose their weakness and they will be destroyed and disappear beneath the waters. But there will be those vessels that are made to withstand every storm that the enemy would bring against them. They are newer vessels, equipped with better power and lightweight and resilient. They will not be large and bulky but small and full of power and maneuverability and they will face the storm boldly without experiencing any damage.
For they cannot be sunk by the strongest of winds and torrents. And when the storm is over they will rise to the surface to be seen by all. They will be gathered together to function under the guidance of those whom I have raised up for this purpose. And those whom I have chosen and ordained to bring such ministries together will be examined by the world and by the church system to find out how they obtained such power and authority.
Others will want to know from whence they received their power and who gave them license. They will be interrogated like My servants long ago, who were asked, "By what name or authority do you do these things?" And they will, like the Son of Man, refuse to expose themselves or attempt to defend themselves in order to receive acclaim from man. These will be My mighty men says the Lord, and they will be men and women of all colors, creeds and nations. They will rise up and lead My people to victory, not justifying themselves or demanding recognition, for their authority will be clear to all, and they will be known by name to those amongst whom they work.
And as they shall continue to work in the secrecy of the task that I have given to them, I will cause them to come across the paths of others who are in like manner called to work under cover for Me. And they will meet and recognize each other, and instead of competing with one another, they will work together, each in their own right, to accomplish the task that I have given to them. And I will cause to rise up at this time many ministries that will be small and powerful says the Lord. For their emphasis will not be on size and appearance, but on functionality. They will turn from the old way of doing things, and refuse to be patterned after the ministries of yesteryear, which though they might look magnificent and awesome, are inefficient and incapable of completing the work that I have called them to do.
And the enemy will have great difficulty overcoming this new fleet of ships that make up My ministries in the Church, for each one will be self-contained and fully functioning, but each will remain small, so that instead of a few large vessels, there will instead be a multitude of small vessels.
The Reason For Small...
Therefore whereas in the past, the enemy could cripple the work by attacking a large vessel, and thus drowning many at the same time, now he will have to attack many different ministries in order to stop the work. And not only will these smaller ministries be more powerful and unsinkable, but there will be a vast number of them.
So that if the enemy should succeed in sinking such a vessel, he would only have destroyed a few and not many. He will soon find that he does not have the resources to cripple the work or cause My kingdom to be weakened.
The Reason For Secrecy...
And when he seeks to attack those who are in leadership in the Church, he will find himself being unable to easily identify them. For they will not stand out attempting to gain recognition for themselves, but they will continue to function, being known only to those amongst whom they work.
They will often not even know each other until they meet by divine appointment along the way. So that even if the enemy should cause some of these leaders to fall and to defect to his side, he will not be able to find out from them where the others are. He will find that he faces an impossible task if he wishes to destroy the work. Thus from the storm that the kingdom of darkness shall bring upon this world and upon the church shall arise much good says the Lord. And for those who have placed their confidence in the strength of man, and have their boast in the size and magnificence of those ministries that appear to be somewhat, there will come a wakeup call. For they will find that the vessel they thought was a safety and a security was in fact a danger and a false hope.
Do Not Fear But Look Up...
To those who have looked upon their ministry as small and insignificant, the Lord would say rejoice and continue to make secure what I have given you. Do not be dismayed nor discouraged or feel that you are all alone in the world. For I have raised up many like you says the Lord, and though you might not know who they are, there will come a time when you will be gathered together under the leadership of My servants the End Times Apostles whom I am raising up in secret at this time.
And the storm is not something which you need to fear. For the storm cannot destroy you, but it will instead cause you to rise up and be seen by others. And as a result of the storm, you will come to meet others like yourself that have been prepared in the background and unseen. And together you shall make up an invincible force for Me says the Lord. Each one will continue to function with power and resilience as I have taught you, and as you shall continue to operate in the way I have shown you, so you will extend My power into the earth and cause many other ministries to arise like yourself, that will know My power and will be unsinkable by the enemy.
Seek not the old way of ministry, for such ministries will not be able to withstand the storm and will be driven to the rocks. And you will see their debris floating in the water, and they will be no more. Indeed they will become wreckages that will lie in the water as obstacles to you when you pass through the water. Therefore avoid them and have nothing to do with them, or you will become a partaker of their destruction says the Lord.
A Personal Word From Apostle Les D. Crause
I release this word to the Body of Christ, not to condemn or expose, but to warn and encourage those whom God is raising up in these end times to take an active part in extending the Kingdom of God into the earth, and those whom He is training in secret to work together, from every tribe, kindred and tongue, to lead and direct the end times ministries that God is raising up.
The purpose is not to instill fear in anyone, for God is not the author of the storm, but the enemy. Therefore see the coming storm as something positive rather than negative, for it will expose that which is not of God, and bring to the forefront those whom He is preparing for the wonderful new move that has already begun to take place in the earth.
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Permalink Reply by Ricardo 'ReAsOn' Butler on
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You are still missing the point. Jesus is NOT Jew, white, black or any other race for that matter.
Did you know that in 1st Kings there was a story about, I believe the Syrians and the children of Israel, where someone said that God was the God over ONLY the Israelites and not the Syrians, that God got mad and sent a prophet to tell the people that just because God is the God over only ONE RACE that God got made and said that He was God over ALL RACES!
Those who worship God (YHWH), MUST worship Him in SPIRIT and truth, NOT SKIN COLOR AND DECEIT! Jesus Christ is SPIRIT!
CHRIST AFTER THE FLESH VERSUS CHRIST AFTER THE SPIRIT
"Wherefore henceforth [from this time forth, from now on] know we no man after [according to] the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH [FROM THIS TIME FORTH] KNOW WE HIM [CHRIST] NO MORE [after the flesh]" (2 Cor. 5:16).
"Therefore if any man be IN Christ, he is a new [SPIRITUAL or not after the FLESH] creature [creation]: old things [THE FLESH, THE CARNAL, THE WORLDLY, THE LITERAL, THE PHYSICAL, THE EARTHLY, THE MATERIAL, THE OLD COVANENT (WITH THE TEN COMMANDMENTS), MYSTERY BABYLON (OLD JERUSALEM), HOUSES BUILT ON THE SAND] are passed away; behold ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW [SPIRITUAL, HEAVENLY, GODLY, POWERFUL (LIKE THE WIND), ETERNAL, INVISIBLE, THE NEW COVENANT, THE BRIDE OF CHRIST (NEW JERUSALEM), HOUSES BUILT ON THE ROCK]" (2 Cor. 5:17)!
How many Christians believe that "IN Christ" we are a NEW creation and that ALL the old things have passed away and that ALL things are become NEW?
THE DEVIL MAKES MAN MINDFUL OF PHYSICAL THINGS
The devil has always been mindful of physical, literal, material things. That’s what Satan "dines" on—
"…DUST [of man] shall you eat all the days of your life" (Gen. 3:14).
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour [Greek: ‘swallow up’]" (1 Pet. 5:8).
Yes, the Adversary eats "dust" and we, mankind, ARE "dust" of the ground. Satan does not feast on spiritual food—it would choke him! Satan dines on the carnal [flesh/meat] mind of men. While Jesus was physically starving for forty days, He was feasting on spiritual food from heaven! Satan thought he could trick Jesus into satisfying His need for physical FOOD before He was finished dining on spiritual food with His Father!
"Then was Jesus led up of THE SPIRIT into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered" […and so was STARVING, The Four Gospels By C.H. Rieu].
And when the tempter came to Him, he said, If you be the Son of God, command that these stones be made BREAD" (Matt. 4:1-3).
Satan should have realized that one doesn’t tempt a Spiritual Giant with a loaf of physical bread.
The same principle applies to RACE (PHYSICAL, CARNAL FLESH)!
Jesus is SPIRIT!
"But even unto this day [the year 2010], when Moses [the Old Covenant/Testament] is read, the vail [which hides God & Christ from us] is upon their [our] heart. Nevertheless when it [the HEART] shall turn to the Lord [JESUS], the vail SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY. Now the Lord [JESUS] is that Spirit [WHAT SPIRIT? THE HOLY SPIRIT!]: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty [FREEDOM TO WORSHIP WITHOUT RACIAL BOUNDARIES]. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass [or mirror] the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same [SPIRITUAL] image from [CARNAL, PHYSICAL, RACIAL SKIN COLOR] glory to [SPIRITUAL, HEAVENLY, INVISIBLE, POWERFUL LIKE THE WIND, ETERNAL] glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." (2nd Corinthians 3:15-18).
Virtually all Christian Churches worldwide have within their doctrines, the depths of Satan. And that is why the cry goes out from God Almighty:
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying ‘COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues" (Rev. 18:4).
Come out of… who? Who is the "her?" Her is a WOMAN. A woman in Scripture is a symbol for a CHURCH.
Who is to "come out?" Answer: "MY people." Where are they? In her, in the CHURCH. What Church? The MOTHER CHURCH. Who is the MOTHER CHURCH?
The church that appears to be so good, with good doctrines, and good teachings and spiritual appearing good works and righteousness, which in reality are abominations:
"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will show unto you the judgment of the GREAT WHORE that sits upon many waters [many nations of people]: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication [intimate religious/political/economic relationships], and the inhabitants of the earth have been made [spiritually] DRUNK with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of ABOMINATIONS and FILTHINESS of her FORNICATION: And upon her forehead [where WE should have the name of God our Father, Rev. 14:1, but this mother church has instead…] …a name written,
MYSTERY, BABYLON, THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev. 17:1-5).
So here is the worldwide mother church with her many catholic and protestant daughters, that sits upon many nations of people, holding a spiritual looking gold cup that when one partakes of it and drinks it down inside, it is really filled with, "abominations and filthiness"—instead of being the marvelous spiritual "DEPTHS of God" it is rather, "the DEPTHS of Satan.
We are not asked by God to "leave His Church," but rather to move from the carnal Jerusalem church under bondage to the spiritual Jerusalem church which is free. We certainly make every effort to fellowship with believers of like mind, but let us never forget where our true fellowship is.
"That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ" (1st John 1:3).
And we fellowship with God by assembling ourselves in the HIGHEST assembly, in a spiritual, heavenly assembly:
"But we are come unto [heavenly, SPIRITUAL] mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God [WHO IS SPIRIT, John 4:23-24], the heavenly [SPIRITUAL, NEW] Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels [WHO ARE ALSO SPIRITS, Heb. 1:7 & Ps. 104:4)], to the general [SPIRITUAL] assembly [Heb: 10:25 & 2 Thes. 2:1] and [SPIRITUAL] CHURCH OF THE [SPIRITUALLY] FIRSTBORN [John 3:5-6, 8 & Gal. 4:29], which are written in heaven [SPIRIT, 2 Cor. 3:3], and to God the Judge of all [ALL SPIRITS, Heb. 12:5-11 & 25-29], and to the SPIRITS of just men made perfect and to Jesus [JESUS WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, 2 Cor. 3:17] the mediator of the NEW [SPIRITUAL] COVENANT [2 Cor. 3:6], and to the [SPIRITUAL] blood of sprinkling [Heb. 9:14, 1 Pet. 1:2, & 1 John 5:8], that [SPIRITUAL] speaks better things than that of Abel [John 6:63 & 1 Cor. 2:13]" (Heb. 12:22-24).
What GOD is building is SPIRITUAL for this flesh must die and we MUST put on incorruption (our NEW SPIRITUAL BODIES WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR!)
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Permalink Reply by KL Council on
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u missed the point i do not follow jesus ---
and the jesus of the bible is white---how else could he be wash white as snow...
u keep saying skin not me...
its a white soul verse a dark soul...c
light vs dark
Oden vs Deus....
adam was the perfect man ---man fell---the jesus was the second adam---
simple---nothing hard all the fanfare is mere smokes and mirrors to control people...
if jesus is god and moses nor abram nor noah nor adam needed jesus we in Gods world do I need Jesus?
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Did you know that in 1st Kings there was a story about, I believe the Syrians and the children of Israel, where someone said that God was the God over ONLY the Israelites and not the Syrians, that God got mad and sent a prophet to tell the people that just because God is the God over only ONE RACE that God got made and said that He was God over ALL RACES!
who created rACE God or euro? or egpytian...
i never heard of the hebrew god creating any races...
moses nor abram had race they had grace...
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You're still missing the point. God is NOT Hebrew! Nor is the Jesus in the Bible JEWISH or WHITE!
This is what God is:
First of all we must dispense with I John 5:7 which reads in the King James Version
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
There is a problem with this verse. The words that I typed in bold print are not Scripture. They should NOT be in the Bible. There are many Bibles that do not contain these words. Here are a few:
The Concordant Literal New Testament: "...seeing that three there are that are testifying, the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement."
A New Translation by James Moffatt: "The witnesses are three, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three of them are in accord."
The Emphatic Diaglott: "For there are three which testify; the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are of one."
The Emphatic Diaglott has a footnote:
"This text concerning the heavenly witnesses [as found in some versions] is NOT contained in ANY Greek manuscript which was written earlier than the 15th century. It is not cited by ANY of the Greek ecclesiastical writers; nor by ANY of the early Latin fathers..."
The Holy Bible--New Catholic Version: "For there are three that bear witness [in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth]: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one."
The brackets are supplied by the translators. This version also has a footnote:
"According to the evidence of many manuscripts, and the majority of commentators, these verses should read: ‘For there are three that bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one.’ The Holy See reserves to itself the right to pass finally on the origin of the present reading."
The New Testament from 26 Translations: Footnote, page 1183:
"The words between ‘bear record’ (verse 7) and ‘the spirit’ (verse 8) are now recognized as not adequately supported by original manuscripts."
As those words were hand written in a copy of a manuscript as late as the 15th century and do not appear in ANY Greek manuscript, they have no place in the inspired Word of God. I know of only one other verse that is not supported by original manuscripts, and that is Acts 28, verse 30. This added verse in Acts 28 is not, however, as harmful as the added verse in I John 5:7.
"I and the Father, We are ONE" (John 10:30).
Let me be perfectly clear, logical, and Scriptural on this matter:
One plus one plus one DOES NOT equal one!
One God plus one God plus one God DOES NOT equal one God!
One third of a God plus one third of a God plus one third of a God DOES NOT equal one whole God!
The Holy Spirit of God cannot also be that same God! ANYTHING that is either "from" or "of" something ELSE cannot also "BE" that something else no matter what or who it is!
A "Father" and a "Son" CANNOT ALSO BE THE SAME PERSON!
Countless things can be said to "be ONE" in numerous forms of close relationship. In this close relationship of purpose, will, harmony, etc., our Lord said:
"I and the Father, We are ONE" (John 10:30).
Will all my readers please note that Jesus DID NOT say "I and the Father, We are one GOD," did He? No, He did not!
Do the Scriptures, however, tell us that there is only ONE GOD? Yes, they do.
Do the Scriptures, tell us WHO that ONE God is? Yes, they do.
Do the Scriptures tell us what the relationship of Jesus Christ is with that ONE God? Yes, they do.
In fact, all of these things are answered in ONE Scripture.
I will now give you the ONLY Scripture you will EVER need for understanding Who Jesus Christ and God the Father are and how many Gods there are, and Who composes that ONE God. Here it is:
"For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, nevertheless for US there is ONE God, the FATHER, out of Whom ALL IS, and we for Him, and ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, through Whom all is, and we through Him" (I Cor. 8:5-6).
Did you see the first statement in the last verse
"But NOT IN ALL is there this knowledge" (Ver. 7)
I can say "Amen" to that. Practically "not in all" Christendom is there this knowledge.
If you have not yet THANKED GOD for making these things so clear, so meaningful, and so simple, DO IT NOW!
The above verse really doesn’t need commentary, but I want to comment anyway.
How many Gods are there? Answer: "ONE God."
Of Whom is this ONE God composed? Answer: "the FATHER." NOT, the Father, AND the Son, AND the holy ghost! Just, "the Father!" ONLY, "the Father!!" "ONE God, the FATHER!"
Is this too hard for anyone? Is not God’s definition far easier and better than the theologians’ "one, plus ONE, plus ONE, equals ONE" nonsense?
Is Jesus Christ an equal part of this "ONE God?" NO, He is not. Let God’s Word tell us. We don’t need to speculate and theorize. Here is Who and What Jesus Christ is, He is the "one LORD." This is not hard. It is only hard for those who wrestle and twist Scripture to their own destruction.
"As also in all his [Paul's thirteen] epistles, speaking in them of THESE THINGS; IN WHICH ARE SOME THINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, which they that are UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE wrest [wrestle with Paul's writings], as they do also [are unlearned and unstable wrestling with] the other scriptures [the rest of the Word of God, not just Paul's letters only], unto their own destruction. Ye [all of you that are mature, complete in character, full of age, the biblical Christian, the 'few chosen, God's elect] therefore, beloved, seeing ye [all of you] know these things before, beware lest ye [all of you] also, being led away with the error [being unlearned, unstable, wrestling with the Holy Scriptures because SOME THINGS ARE HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD] of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ [Because if you go directly to Him Who is the Word of God He will teach you. So STOP TWISTING AND WRESTLING WITH THE SCRIPTURES WHEN JESUS WILL, 'THEN opened He (Jesus) their understanding, that they might understand THE SCRIPTURE' (Luke 24:45)]. To Him be glory both now and for ever [for the eons]. Amen." (2nd Peter 3:16-17).
I want to show you this verse from another translations so you can see how serious it is when you talk to a babe in Christ versus those who are eating strong meat.
"He [Paul] says the SAME THING IN ALL HIS LETTERS when he writes about these things. And in his letters THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE HARD TO UNDERSTAND, AND PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EDUCATED AND FIRM IN THEIR FAITH TWIST THESE THINGS [THAT PAUL SPEAKS ABOUT] TO MAKE THEM SAY SOMETHING ELSE, JUST AS THEY DO WITH THE REST OF THE BIBLE. And by doing this, THEY ARE DESTROYING THEMSELVES. But you, my dear friends, ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS. AND SO YOU MUST BE ON YOUR GUARD, SO THAT YOU WON'T BE LED AWAY WITH THE OTHERS BY THE WRONG IDEAS OF THESE LAWLESS [FREE-WILLED] MEN AND FALL AWAY FROM YOU OWN FIRM SOLID POSITION. Instead, you must keep on growing in Christian love [grace, charity], and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The glory and honor belong to Him both now and forever [for the eons]. And that's the truth." (Everyday American English Translation 1984).
Again this is not hard. It is only hard for those who wrestle and twist Scripture to their own destruction. John 8:5-6 makes the following very clear:
"Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest Thou [Jesus]? This they said, tempting Him, that they might have to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not." (John 8:5-6).
This Scripture tells us that "ALL IS OUT OF" GOD (the FATHER).
And this Scripture tells us that "ALL IS THROUGH" Jesus Christ.
God the Father is the first cause of all and ALL IS OUT GOD, even Jesus Christ is "OUT of God."
"...I [Jesus] came OUT from God. I CAME OUT FROM the FATHER..." (John 16:27-28).
Now if Jesus came out from the trinity, why doesn’t the Scripture say so? He didn’t come out of the trinity and He didn’t come out of the holy spirit, but HE DID COME, "...OUT FROM THE FATHER!"
And after Jesus Christ came OUT from the Father, ALL ELSE came THROUGH Jesus Christ:
"[Jesus Christ] Who IS the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature, for in Him is ALL CREATED, that in the heavens and that on the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created THROUGH Him and FOR Him, and He is BEFORE all, and all has its cohesion in Him" (Col. 1: 14-17).
Nowhere do we read that God came out from Christ! No, Christ came OUT FROM THE FATHER and all else was created THROUGH Jesus Christ. There is no trinity here!
Jesus Christ is not the SUPREME DEITY. Christ is not the originator of all. Christ is "the Lord." He is the Son of God. He is the IMAGE of the invisible God. He is the Mediator,
For there is ONE God, and ONE Mediator OF God and mankind, a MAN Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5).
As I said before, one cannot be both "of" something or someone and at the same time "be" that something or someone. There is certainly no trilateral, triune, trinity of God here!
Jesus Christ said,
"...I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I" (John 14:28).
Where do we read that Christ is GREATER than the Father? There is no trinity in this verse!
And again:
"Now, whenever ALL may be subjected to Him [Christ], then the Son Himself [Jesus Christ] also SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO HIM [God the Father] Who subjects all to Him [Christ], that GOD may be All in all."
Where do we read that someday God the Father will be SUBJECT to Christ? There is no trinity in these Biblical truths.
And again:
"Now I want you to be aware that the Head of every man is Christ, yet the head of the woman is the man, yet the Head of Christ IS GOD" (I Cor. 11:3).
Where do we read in Scripture that Christ is the Head of God?
There is another profound statement in the Scriptures that PROVES CONCLUSIVELY that Jesus Christ is not part of a trinity, but is now and always will be, under the Headship of His Father. Here it is:
"...that the GOD OF OUR LORD Jesus Christ, the FATHER..." (Eph. 1:17).
There it is--Jesus Christ HAS A "GOD!" Paul wrote this and all of the above Scriptures AFTER Jesus Christ was resurrected and restored to His previous GLORIES in God. And in His glorified state, Jesus Christ is STILL subjected to HIS GOD! Who wants to be the first blasphemer to even suggest that God the Father "has a God?"!!! But Jesus Christ, DOES have a God! Notice the following:
Eph. 1:3: "Blessed be the God and Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ"
Col. 1:3: "We are thanking the God and Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ"
I Pet. 1:3: "Blessed be the God and Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ"
And remember these statements concerning Jesus Christ "having a God" were made long after His resurrection and restoration back to His former glories. Today, our Lord STILL HAS A GOD! And need I repeat the fact that the God and Father of Jesus Christ DOES NOT HAVE A GOD?! And someone out there still thinks God is a equilateral trinity?
There are many more Scriptures that show the distinction between God the Father’s office of supreme deity of the universe and that of His Son and Image, Jesus Christ the Lord and Mediator.
Who and What is GOD?
"There is ONE GOD, the FATHER, out of Whom ALL is..." (I Cor. 8:6).
"For there is ONE God" (I Tim. 2:5).
"You are my witnesses whether there is any god, any Power, any besides ME" (Isaiah 44:8 Moffatt Translation).
"The ONE Who is operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS will..." (Eph. 1:11).
"Out of Him and through Him and for Him is ALL: to HIM be the glory for the eons! Amen!" (Rom. 11:36).
"...your heavenly Father IS PERFECT" (Mat. 5:48)
"God IS LOVE" (I John 4:8).
"God IS SPIRIT" (John 4:24).
"...the INVISIBLE GOD" (II Cor. 4:4).
"Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ" (John 17:3).
Jesus called His Father "...the ONLY TRUE GOD" (John 17:3).
"God is NOT A MAN..." (I Sam. 15:29).
Who and What is Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ IS A MAN! "For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR of God and mankind, A MAN, Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5).
"Thou art the Christ, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD" (Mat. 16:16).
"Christ, Who is the IMAGE of the invisible God" (II Cor. 4:4).
"The Lord Jesus Christ, the SON OF THE FATHER" (II John 3).
"The BEGINNING of the creation of God" (Rev. 3:14 JKV)
"God’s CREATIVE ORIGINAL" (Rev. 3:14 CLNT).
"If God were your Father, you would have loved Me. For OUT OF GOD I CAME FORTH and am arriving" (John 8:42).
"Nor Jesus said to him, Why are you terming Me good? No one is good except ONE, GOD" (Mark 10:18).
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was toward God, and God was the Word" (John 1:1). (This is the proper order of the Greek words. Jesus is the Logos or Spokesman of God).
I believe most can see from the above Scriptures that there are numerous and fundamental differences between the Father and Jesus the Son. However, there are still reasons to ask whether or not Jesus Christ, the Son of God the Father, is not also "God.?" Is Christ for example, not worthy of our worship? Dare we worship any but "God?" And if Christ is indeed "God," when isn’t He of the very same status, rank, authority, etc., as His Father? Good questions. Let’s take them one at a time.
Is Christ God? YES HE IS!
"Yet to the Son [this is GOD speaking]: ‘Thy throne, O GOD, is for the eon of the eon..." (Heb. 1:8).
And also:
"Who [Jesus], being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging [taking by force or plundering] to be EQUAL WITH GOD" (Phil. 2:6).
Is Christ worthy of worship? YES HE IS!
"And lo! A leper, coming to Him, WORSHIPED Him, saying..." (Mat. 8:2),
"lo! One approaching Him [Jesus], a chief, WORSHIPED Him..." (Mat. 9:18),
"Now those in the ship WORSHIP Him, saying, ‘truly, God’s Son art Thou!’" (Mattt. 14:33),
"Yet she, coming, WORSHIPS Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’" (Mat. 15:25).
So Christ is called "God," and did not consider it pillaging to be "equal" with God, and was often "worshiped." So surely, even if Christ is not the third person of a trinity, He must at least be the second person of a duet! SURELY, HE IS NOT! Let me explain.
Jesus IS God! True, but this fact does NOT make Him the FATHER! Let us always read and believe the Scriptures. The English word "God" is translated from the Greek word Theos which means PLACER or DISPOSER. ANYONE to whom the Father gives such an office of "placer or disposer" is a God! Notice what God says in Psalm 82:6,
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
Jesus explains this verse for us:
"Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your law, that ‘I say you are gods’? If He said those were gods, to whom the word of God came [and the scripture can not be annulled], are you saying to Him Whom the Father hallows and dispatches into the world that You are blaspheming,’ seeing that I said, ‘Son of God am I’? If I am not doing My Father’s works [ANYONE to whom the Father gives such an office of "placer or disposer" is a God!], do not believe Me. Yet if I am doing them, and if ever you are not believing Me, be believing the works, that you may be knowing and believing that in Me is the Father, and I am in the Father."
Okay then, let’s notice a few very important points. Jesus never came out and said "I AM GOD!" He always called Himself, "The Son OF God." Recall that Jesus did not consider it "pillaging" to be equal with God. That is, he didn’t need to steal, or take His office by FORCE, because His God, the Father, GAVE ALL THINGS TO HIM FREELY! Though Jesus is certainly "God," we must always remember that everything that made Him "God" (like His Father), WAS GIVEN TO HIM! Is there anyone who would suggest that someone GAVE God the Father all that He possesses? I think not. There is clearly a distinction--we have a "Father" and a "Son," NOT two equal Gods of a so-called trinity.
Notice that Jesus always acknowledges His subjection to His Father:
"Jesus, being aware that the Father has GIVEN ALL INTO HIS HANDS, and that He came out FROM God and is going away TO God" (John 13:3).
"Now the Father, remaining in Me, He IS DOING HIS WORKS" (John 14:10).
"And the word which you are hearing is NOT Mine, but the Father’s Who sends me" (John 14:24).
"I am going to the Father, for THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" (John 14:28).
"Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, THE SON HIMSELF ALSO SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO HIM Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all" (I Cor. 15:28).
These Scriptures are clear, and there are many more like this. The Father is GREATER than His Son, and the Son will ALWAYS be subjected to His Father. They are NOT two, coequal Gods of a fabled trinity. They are "Father and Son." They are "FAMILY!" And the "spirit of God" is just that, the spirit "OF" God, not "the spirit God." And Jesus Christ has this SAME SPIRIT in Himself also. And it is THIS VERY SPIRIT that God the Father gives to US through His Son, Jesus Christ. It is not difficult to understand if one will simply believe the Scriptures.
Again, I want everyone to take note that when Christ speaks of the close relationship between Himself and His Father, He NEVER includes the "holy spirit" into that relationship! This is surely not an oversight on Christ’s part.
Our Lord gives us a beautiful metaphor in these same chapters of John. Jesus says:
"I am the true Grapevine, and My father is the Farmer... I am the Grapevine. You are the branches" (John 15:1 & 5).
Notice that the holy spirit is NO PART of this analogy. Now seriously, if the holy spirit were a third personality or god of the trinity, then why does it have NO PART in so many dozens and dozens of Scriptures (metaphors/parables) like this one? Surely if there is a trinity, the holy spirit could represent maybe the soil, or the sunshine, or the rain, or at least be some part of this analogy with the Father, the Son, and the Saints, don’t you think? But no! The holy spirit is not mentioned. That is because it is not necessary for it to be mentioned, and also because it is not a third god of a trinity.
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