The People in Jerusalem Today CANNOT be the Jews of the Bible!

Please understand something….God said ALL of the nation of Israel and her seed would either be blessed OR cursed, never BOTH! These blessings or curses are for a nation of PEOPLE. God never said they would be for a country.

Let’s first identify ALL (12) tribes;

Gen.46
[8] And these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt, Jacob and his sons: Reuben, Jacob's firstborn.
[10] And the sons of Simeon
[11] And the sons of Levi
[12] And the sons of Judah
[13] And the sons of Issachar
[14] And the sons of Zebulun
[16] And the sons of Gad
[17] And the sons of Asher
[19] The sons of Rachel Jacob's wife; Joseph, and Benjamin.
[23] And the sons of Dan
[24] And the sons of Naphtali

So God’s curses are not just for those from the tribe of Judah, which later was shortened to Jew, but to ALL TWELVE TRIBES in ALL of their dwellings.

Since we know the nation of Israel, all (12) tribes, did not keep Gods’ commandments, statues and laws, there is no need to try to apply ANY of God’s blessings to a country or a people that seem to fit the description! Why? Because Israel, the PEOPLE, did not obey their God! So the PEOPLE were cursed and NOT a country! In others words, God’s blessing or curse CANNOT be directed toward a country, only a PEOPLE. I can say that for a fact because of the following:

Deut.28
[2] And ALL these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, IF thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
[10] And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
[12] The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
[13] And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath;

Now I’m sure someone could find a country that posses both blessings AND curses, but that country or people CANNOT be Israel because again, the blessing, or curses, were for a PEOPLE! And since the (12) tribes of Israel did not keep God’s commandments, NONE of God’s blessings can be associated with them. Let’s read:

Ezek.2
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

Ezek.3
[7] But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

Let’s look at it again in the book of Jeremiah;

Jer.3
[6] The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
[8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Since Israel, as a whole, did not hearken unto the Lord, they received NONE of the blessing God promised. The reason I said as a whole, is because God always had some that did obey Him; Moses, David, Job, and the prophets, to name a few. But overall Israel, as a nation, did not keep God’s commandments, statutes and laws.


So let’s read some of the curses that must STILL be upon ALL (12) TRIBES of ISRAEL! These curses MUST follow the people, ALL (12) TRIBES, wherever they dwell.

Deut.28
[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[16] Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[17] Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[38] Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[39] Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[40] Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[41] Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[42] All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

- Note these scriptures refer to a people and NOT a country.
- Israel will be cursed in the city and the fields.
- Israel will NOT get to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
- Israel’s sons and daughters will go into captivity.

[43] The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

- The strangers within the land wherever Israel dwells will come up higher and
will loan Israel money. (Understand; Israel WILL NOT be in their own land
because God had them scattered, vs. 64 below. So they are in a land NOT
their own, borrowing money, NOT LENDING!!!)

[25] The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[64] And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[65] And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

And Israel, all (12) tribes, will be scattered by God into different nation and not serve their God. Not migrate.....but be removed and scattered into ALL of the kingdoms of the earth.

Isa.42:[22] But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

Israel is stolen from, hid in prison, but no one says restore. Think about all of the people that did receive restoration in their history; the people of the countries that suffered in WWI and WWII, and most conflicts around the world. But the true nation of Israel, God said no one would restore their loss.

Do you think of a large Jewish population “hid in prison houses” when you think of the prison system?

[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

These curses are to be used as a SIGN and a wonder. The TRUE people of the nation of Israel IS NOT to be a secret! These curses are to last, not only for Israel of old, but even unto ALL of the seed of Israel today. These curses still apply to the TRUE Israelite. ALL (12) TRIBES!!

If you find a people to which ALL of these curses apply, you have found Israel.

These are just a FEW of the curses God said He would put upon Israel and her SEED FOREVER, if they did not obey His commandments. There are MANY more to be found in the scripture.


Now when you look at the people living in Jerusalem today, ask yourselves this question…..Are ALL of God’s curses really upon these people?

- Israel will be cursed in the city and the fields.
- Israel will NOT get to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
- Israel’s sons and daughters will go into captivity.
- The strangers within the land wherever Israel dwells will come up higher and
will loan Israel money. (Understand; Israel WILL NOT be in their own land,
and they will be borrowing money, NOT LENDING!!!)
- All (12) tribes, will be scattered by God into different nation and not serve
their God.
- Israel is stolen from, hid in prison, but no one says restore.
- These curses are to be used as a SIGN and a WONDER. The TRUE nation
of Israel IS NOT to be a secret! The nation of Israel IS NOT LOST and
NEVER have been as a people. They have been lost spiritually!
- These curses are to last, not only for Israel of old, but even unto ALL of the
seed of Israel today. These curses still apply to the TRUE Israelites. ALL
(12) TRIBES!!

Makes you wonder what the angel of the Lord had John write in the book of Rev:

Rev 2:[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These
things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are
not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to
come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Here is just a little something to think about: When you DO find a PEOPLE that ALL of God’s CURSES have been put upon, you will have found Israel!!

ISRAEL.....WAKE UP!!!!


Be warned! You may be surprised with the results of your search!!!

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Who are the Israeli people then?
I know that the Israelis are a Semitic people and I know that African Americans are not from Semitic peoples.

So it would seem that the Israelis would have a better chance of being the children of Abraham than the West African descendants.

Although I do believe that Israel has been scattered and I also believe it is BEAUTIFUL to see natural Israel of many different hues/shades and looks all being transported to Israel. And there seems to be an extenstive back ground check for proof of who is a descendant of Israel and how is not.

There are groups of peopel in China that do indeed look asian because of course over 2000 years were intermingled by the indigenous people they lived around. But what was interesting was this group in western (I think) China they wore shawls with exact same designs of the Jews back in Jesus day before the diaspora.
Same thing for the Falasha (Ethiopian) Jews...there are extensive researches done and it points so much to these people also being descendants of natural Israel.
And of course the Jews in middle eastern countries that are going back to Israel and they have clear links to their forefathers in Israel.
And of course the Jews over millenia that have lived become apart of the fiber of Europe have there connections paper trails.

The point I am trying to say is...as a WHOLE black Americans are not descendants of Jews. Of course there are Blacks and Jews that have gotten together and had some black babies (and quite beautiful babies) but thats not because we traveled from Israel many years ago.

I understand it is romantic to think that our being enslaved was like no other enslavement of people but many people over the years have been enslaved. Our happen to be most recent in history and it real for us because it is us.

However - all of that is not important because whether one is natural Israel or spiritual Israel - you had better end up being spiritual Israel - otherwise you will end up in hell.

No - the Jews are natural Israel but they need Jesus like the gentile descendants of west African people.
Indeed they are. The future Exodus will not only contain thousands of dark skinned Israelites. It will be a rainbow of colors and people. Israel is scattered all over, and so we cannot assume that Israel retained their skin color. Israel has never been about skin color, but about observance to the covenants.
newview,
Who are the Israeli people then? read the book of obadiah,rev2:9,3:9,eze35, and please re read eccl's post ,we cannot keep goin thru this race think i've told you i've posted on your page ,"this is not a race think" this is the truth,and that why it need be known,
and sista Newview you cannot show me and enslavemnt worst then that of our people period ,and we are stiil preyed upon here in america still on the bottom ,
sista,don't waste you time looking you'll never find

now let's end this ,go to your window and look out and tell us who do you see that has been shipped captive to your corner of the earth (there is your proof and answer) you can only bare witness to one people that did not migrate here
to america /this is simple NV either he didnt ship'em all over or the only ones you can even see is (not all blacks) the sons and daughters of slaves here in america and scattered abroad.
"...and sista Newview you cannot show me and enslavemnt worst then that of our people period ,and we are stiil preyed upon here in america still on the bottom..."

Bro Pharoah, the reason you think we have it really bad here is because you are comparing us by us.

Americans that live below the poverty line are triple quaduple times better off than MAJORITY of people around the world.
Do you know how wonderful Americans having difficulty have it compared to those that have it Ok in Africa, or Asia or South America or Eastern Europe or middleastern countries?
I'm not even talking about comparing our lives to those having difficulty in these other countries and they arent even as whiney as we are.
Those Christians dont go around preaching that fleshy kind of gospel that you guys do - because they live HARD HARD HARD lives for real for real and they need the SPIRIT to help them in this life.

Please dont come at me about how hard we are having it. We aint even having it half as hard as our grandparents had it here.
And yes you need to learn about the atrocities perpetrated upon all all all kinds of people throughout history besides just descendants of blacks. Men of every color and language and nation have horrors to tell.
My point:
You are not Jews but that dont stop salvation in Christ and that dont stop God's love for us.
God has enough love for even descendants of Jim Crow. And Jesus' Blood has enough salvation to save blacks without us being Semitic.
Bro Pharoah, it does not matter who your father is in order for you to be saved. And since it does not matter - dont waste your time on it. Who is your father or grandfather or great great grand and so on and so on - will not make you more saved than any of the white people in my DNA.
. . . . .it does not matter who your father is for you to be saved. And since it does not matter - dont waste your time on it. Who is your father or grandfather or great great grand and so on and so on - will not make you more saved than any of the white people in my DNA.

AMEN NEWVIEW, AMEN, AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!!!

THANK GOD ALMIGHTY OUR SALVATION IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON OUR FOREFATHERS.
NV'
and they arent even as whiney as we are,are you crazy, what hav i whined about,
i said ,you cannot show me and enslavemnt worst then that of our people
you said,We aint even having it half as hard as our grandparents had it here. wow

the lord that israel has had it worst ,so your beef is with the LORD not me

the white people in my DNA. so you are white and hav a problem with the sons and daughters of slaves acknowledging who they are wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ,you to visit into your ancestor life but leave mines out of it huh


and you never told us who fit the bill, when you open your widow ,
BruthaPharaoh,

Take into consideration that Whites suffered in biblical times as did our Black brothers/sisters. For generations it was Israel (God's chosen) vs. the Gentiles (all skin color and nationality).

Do you really think that Blacks are the only people who suffered?

Peace in Jesus
sista Harris,you said---For generations it was Israel (God's chosen) vs. the Gentiles (
i am not calling names, but this is another ignorant statemnet the Gentiles are not all skin color and nationality they are the white people period (gen.10:1-5,but you don't do torah so important thing like this, you parrot the lies you hav been taught not against you but the lie you've been taught)/// this why you don't understand the scripture you hav no idea, who is who,and sence, you make it a race issue, stop please

sista harris stop following (the fools) torah= instructions fools dispies wisdom and instruction pro1:7 the fear of the lord is to do what he instructed
"...the Gentiles not all skin color and nationality they are the white people period..."

The Gentiles are just the white people?
And what are the Asians?
Give me scripture that says Gentiles mean WHITE PEOPLE.

So when the scriptures speak of 'gentiles' this and 'gentiles' that - I can replace the word with 'white people'?

Lets see how that goes:
For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the WHITE PEOPLE: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The WHITE PEOPLE must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the WHITE PEOPLE has come in.
NV,
you play alot games ,-----------dail tone
BruthaPharoah,

the Gentiles are not all skin color and nationality they are the white people period

ARE YOU SERIOUS?????

Read again, and tell me where you see the Gentiles were ALL WHITE.

Genesis 10:1-5

1Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
sista harris,
i hav alot of respect for you and beg you to do the research, the versus clearly said the the gentile's are only the son of japheth, do your reseach ,searching these name out find out who they are today and where they are, also do a bible search and see where they will be in the day of the lord,i keep saying this is not racial sista harris this was intend for you to know or the LORD would not of had it written ,i beg you sis to research it and tell me what you find........................love no malice


2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

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