The Present Bible Canon PART I: Case Closed or Open??? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T13:59:59Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/the-present-bible-canon-part-i?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A765649&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThose two scriptures are good…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-10-07:916966:Comment:10348992009-10-07T23:20:06.046ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
Those two scriptures are good, and true, but they do not answer ANY of the questions in any way shape or form whatsoever.<br />
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That is, unless I missed what you meant. In that case please explain it to me.
Those two scriptures are good, and true, but they do not answer ANY of the questions in any way shape or form whatsoever.<br />
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That is, unless I missed what you meant. In that case please explain it to me. The bible answers this questi…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-10-07:916966:Comment:10340412009-10-07T12:01:15.802ZPastor valentinehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Pastorvalentine
The bible answers this questions in two plain scriptures<br />
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2Timothy 3:16- All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof,for correction, for<br />
instruction in righteousness.<br />
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2Timothy 2:15- Study to show thyself approved unto God , a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of God
The bible answers this questions in two plain scriptures<br />
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2Timothy 3:16- All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof,for correction, for<br />
instruction in righteousness.<br />
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2Timothy 2:15- Study to show thyself approved unto God , a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of God The fact of the matter is the…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-10-06:916966:Comment:10331602009-10-06T22:12:51.216ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
The fact of the matter is the Bible Canon cannot be closed for these reasons:<br />
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-There was never any indication found within scripture that GOD would stop giving revelation. The stopping on revealing would only come when we are perfected. Are we perfected now?<br />
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-The councils followed something similar to the following principles to determine whether a New Testament book was truly inspired by the Holy Spirit: 1) Was the author an apostle or have a close connection with an Apostle? 2) Is the book…
The fact of the matter is the Bible Canon cannot be closed for these reasons:<br />
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-There was never any indication found within scripture that GOD would stop giving revelation. The stopping on revealing would only come when we are perfected. Are we perfected now?<br />
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-The councils followed something similar to the following principles to determine whether a New Testament book was truly inspired by the Holy Spirit: 1) Was the author an apostle or have a close connection with an Apostle? 2) Is the book being accepted by the body of Christ at large? 3) Did the book contain consistency of doctrine and orthodox teaching? 4) Did the book bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit? If this is the proper way to determine such, then why weren't the Epistles of Ignatius, Clement, and Polycarp continued to be recognized as such, for they fit the criteria?<br />
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-If the same test for authenticity is so, then it goes back to the argument of if there are Apostles today. Every few generations, GOD releases words to HIS servant the Apostles and Prophets to the people of the world. To say that the canon is closed is to say that GOD is silent now. Trevor, I forgot to include t…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-05:916966:Comment:7798002009-06-05T00:39:19.703ZMs. Elaine Johnsonhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/MsElaineJohnson
Trevor, I forgot to include this link in my last reply to you. I think it will better help you understand exactly where I am coming from with regard to the 'feminine' principles of our God.<br />
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<a href="http://www.transpersonal.com.au/masculine-feminine.htm">http://www.transpersonal.com.au/masculine-feminine.htm</a>
Trevor, I forgot to include this link in my last reply to you. I think it will better help you understand exactly where I am coming from with regard to the 'feminine' principles of our God.<br />
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<a href="http://www.transpersonal.com.au/masculine-feminine.htm">http://www.transpersonal.com.au/masculine-feminine.htm</a> No, no dear, I'm not "dancing…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-04:916966:Comment:7797232009-06-04T23:51:42.594ZMs. Elaine Johnsonhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/MsElaineJohnson
No, no dear, I'm not "dancing on the border of heresy" at all. I was searching Scripture to give a 'defense' to the whole 'goddess' argument. I basically was saying, that the nations who speak upon the 'feminine' of deity was mistakenly confusing God's divine word concerning the feminine principles.<br />
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When I say, feminine principles, I mean the 'earth' is called 'her' and such groups as the Indians who refer to the earth as 'Mother Earth' are confusing the 'feminine force or principle' of God…
No, no dear, I'm not "dancing on the border of heresy" at all. I was searching Scripture to give a 'defense' to the whole 'goddess' argument. I basically was saying, that the nations who speak upon the 'feminine' of deity was mistakenly confusing God's divine word concerning the feminine principles.<br />
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When I say, feminine principles, I mean the 'earth' is called 'her' and such groups as the Indians who refer to the earth as 'Mother Earth' are confusing the 'feminine force or principle' of God that created the Earth as a nurturer, with God, being a 'goddess.'<br />
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In other words, just because 'wisdom' is referred to as 'she', it doesn't equate to God being the 'Goddess' as those who are into goddess worship proclaim.<br />
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Still, it is important to investigate Scripture to find out what these things mean. Ergo, the Earth is described in the word of God as 'her' or a 'feminine' power principle unleashed by God (Rev. 12:16).<br />
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I think those nations who went after 'goddess' worship as James Pierce pointed out were deceived by Satan into worshipping a 'goddess' i.e. 'Queen of Heaven, Tammuz, Hathor i.e. 'golden calf' etc.<br />
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We know the enemy is a deceiver. He twists the words or facts. He abuses an element of truth to bring about his ill-will. What I am saying is that that 'element of truth' so abused was the 'feminine principles' of God that created the Earth.<br />
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But then again, these are the deep things of God that must be spirtually discerned by the mature believer.<br />
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As for the 'they taught things wrong' versus 'they tampered with the word of God' well, that's more or less a semantic argument on 'your' part.<br />
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Romans 16:1 says, "Phoebe was a servant" versus the true emeaning of the word which hould have been, "Phoebe was a pastor, minister."<br />
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You say, that's 'taught things wrong,' whereas I say, 'they tampered with the word of God."<br />
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Oh well, to each his own.<br />
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Anyway, in all these things I'm basically saying God is the ALL. God's word can counter any doctrine put out there and I believe discussing the 'feminine' principles' of God's creation is indeed, the answer to counter the 'goddess' concept.<br />
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That's not 'bordering on heresy' rather, that's seeking out the truth of God's word in order to set the captive free. James my point was NOT that t…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-04:916966:Comment:7785402009-06-04T19:20:34.413ZMs. Elaine Johnsonhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/MsElaineJohnson
James my point was NOT that the Godhead is a 'she' but the Most High's creative expression comes through what Scripture is referring to as a 'feminine' force or principle of God. This is why the 'feminine' language is used for both good and evil.<br />
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Also, please know God created feminity. He created the Woman. He expresses himself through masculinity and femininity. This is why the original blessing was upon 'both' male and female (Gen. 1:26).<br />
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In the spiritual realm, a literal 'masculine' and…
James my point was NOT that the Godhead is a 'she' but the Most High's creative expression comes through what Scripture is referring to as a 'feminine' force or principle of God. This is why the 'feminine' language is used for both good and evil.<br />
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Also, please know God created feminity. He created the Woman. He expresses himself through masculinity and femininity. This is why the original blessing was upon 'both' male and female (Gen. 1:26).<br />
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In the spiritual realm, a literal 'masculine' and 'feminine' force of God was/is utilized with regard to the creation of the universe and humanity. Again, the Proverbs description of 'wisdom' as a 'she' or feminine force.' Yes, on one level your definition of why 'wisdom' is called a 'she' is correct. However, as we know God's word has manifold meaning to many things. It is an unsearchable, depth of knowledge and meaning. Just look at the book called "The Bible code."<br />
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Anyway, since this is the case, 'wisdom' is a feminine force, principle' formation and expression of God. In other words, this is another meaning of the 'feminine' expression of Divinity. Even the Bible refers to the Earth as 'her' i.e. 'feminine' force God utilized in His creation (Rev. 12:16).<br />
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Now, listen and understand, yes on the surface It would seem to be 'mysticism' but in actuality, I know in this truth is the answer to the whole 'goddess' concept. I think that's where the confusion came in. I think this is the place to go to counter the 'goddess' concept. Many women are now embracing this as the true force of God.<br />
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The eruption of the 'goddess' concept has exploded in this last hour. How do we intelligently through Scripture counter the evidence they put forth? They have re-erected the whole 'Queeen of Heaven," Tammuz, the golden calf i.e. Hathor etc. feminine deities even though Scripture tells us it is in reality, demon worship ( Jer. 7:18; 44:17-25; Ezek. 8:14; Ex. 32:4-35;2 Chr. 11:15; Lev. 17:7; Deut. 32:17; Ps. 106:37; etc.).<br />
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As you corectly pointed out, many nations of antiquity were polytheistic. They worshipped many 'gods and goddesses.' Even today they continue to worship 'feminine' deities. Just look at the Indians, as well as the people of India who continue to worship along these lines. I've seen documentaries on their idol worship. A man-made deity of stone, wood and bricks. It's more proof that the Bible is correct! Such 'idol worship' existed and many nations bowwed down to 'wood, and stones' and called it god (Deut. 29:17; etc.).<br />
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Yet, as we see from the Bible, people like, the Indians are correct when they refer to the Earth as "Mother' a 'Feminine' force (Rev. 12:16). They mistakenly worship the 'creation' instead of the Creator. The Bible's referencing the 'feminine' of Deity is the answer to explaining the mix up.<br />
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Yes, the answer to the whole 'feminine of God' concept is found in the word of God. The Bible says, 'be ready to give a defense' for all aspects of life even, this 'goddess' argument put forth by many (Phil. 1:7, 17). I know that 'defense' is found in the 'feminine' principles and expression of God's word. That is all I am saying. Can you better comprehend it now? True the doctrine of the Triu…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-04:916966:Comment:7769102009-06-04T07:33:24.645ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
True the doctrine of the Triune GOD was not fully understood, because the Son was not yet fully revealed. Would you follow behind the ways mentality and traditions of them, considering they were far behind and incomplete in their knowledge of who GOD was/is? Thats like reading and teaching strictly from outdated books in your classroom. OT thought is for learning so not to make the same mistakes, but to follow their way of worshiping the Truine GOD totally would be a grave error. Its going…
True the doctrine of the Triune GOD was not fully understood, because the Son was not yet fully revealed. Would you follow behind the ways mentality and traditions of them, considering they were far behind and incomplete in their knowledge of who GOD was/is? Thats like reading and teaching strictly from outdated books in your classroom. OT thought is for learning so not to make the same mistakes, but to follow their way of worshiping the Truine GOD totally would be a grave error. Its going BACKWARD, not advancing forward how GOD designed.<br />
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The Son of GOD was very much so present as GOD, but very much so misunderstood by Israel. I would disagree with you on…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-04:916966:Comment:7768732009-06-04T07:09:02.832ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
I would disagree with you on certain parts:<br />
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-The idea of the Bible being tampered with in regards to a woman's role is off completely. You are better off saying that "they taught it wrong" and messed up in giving sound doctrine, rather that saying the Bible was tampered with in such a manner.<br />
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-All scripture is worthy of acceptation, but not alteration or private interpretation. The heresy of pulling women out of their GOD-given position is not a justifiable reason for dancing on the boarder…
I would disagree with you on certain parts:<br />
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-The idea of the Bible being tampered with in regards to a woman's role is off completely. You are better off saying that "they taught it wrong" and messed up in giving sound doctrine, rather that saying the Bible was tampered with in such a manner.<br />
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-All scripture is worthy of acceptation, but not alteration or private interpretation. The heresy of pulling women out of their GOD-given position is not a justifiable reason for dancing on the boarder of the heresy of spiritual mysticism. So what word would you use to…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-04:916966:Comment:7768662009-06-04T07:00:28.534ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
So what word would you use to describe the conception of JESUS, because regardless of how it may be "technically stated" she was pregnant, and therefore impregnated?
So what word would you use to describe the conception of JESUS, because regardless of how it may be "technically stated" she was pregnant, and therefore impregnated? Johnson,
Hi James Pierce and…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-04:916966:Comment:7762802009-06-04T00:33:08.461ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
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Hi James Pierce and Trevor, thanks for your replies. Listen, please understand that I know the Trinity consists of God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Make no mistake about that! My faith has always been secured in the existence of the Trinity as described in the Bible.<br />
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<i>The trinity is a different subject, but I want to add to the fact that this doctrine was not believed among the ancient Israelites. They believed Yahweh was unity. But the question is,"A unity of what?" Is it a unity…</i>
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Hi James Pierce and Trevor, thanks for your replies. Listen, please understand that I know the Trinity consists of God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Make no mistake about that! My faith has always been secured in the existence of the Trinity as described in the Bible.<br />
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<i>The trinity is a different subject, but I want to add to the fact that this doctrine was not believed among the ancient Israelites. They believed Yahweh was unity. But the question is,"A unity of what?" Is it a unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Did the Israelites even know about a son of God? No, Its not about that, rather, its about the power of Yahweh.<br />
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Ancient near eastern gods were many, and there people polytheists. There was a god for everything; similar to indian hinduism. There was a god for the sky, winter, the sun, the ground, fertility, sex, etc. When the Shema(Duet 6:4) was spoken, and showing us that Yahweh was one, it was saying that YAHWEH has all power, and that HE alone is Elohim. Unity only in the sense of power.</i><br />
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However, we know that there was tampering with the Bible with regard to race and the true role of women. We've discussed it in depth on another post. I was just discussing the power of 'divine' femininity. whether it is as you say, described as 'sin,' or 'wisdom', it means something in the spiritual realm.<br />
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<i>I do not think that the bible was tampered with in regards to race and the role of women, rather, it is man's failure to understand the biblical language, cultural, and historical context. Divine femininity to me seems on the side of spiritual mysticism.<br />
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There are many words in languages where it does not match up with its gender--- like the word Hamartia, which is Greek for "sin". We know that Hamartia is feminine, but is sin only exclusive to females? Of course not! Things such as these are in the word. Yes, it does mean something on the spiritual side, but a failure to understand the language, cultural, and historical aspect of scripture, wrongful interpretation is the result.</i><br />
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There is a purpose for describing wisdom as 'feminine' or 'she' who was with God in the beginning even though we know the book of Corinthians states, 'Jesus is Wisdom.' (Provs. 8). I think it's important to explore that aspect for in all these things God is expressing a divine expression of His will manifested through the force of femininity.<br />
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<i>I believe I gave you the reasons why King Solomon referred to wisdom as a she. Wisdom is to be desired, and pursued much like a man desires and pursues a woman. Therefore, King Solomon called it a she. It may be the same way if it was a Queen. She would have called Wisdom a he, and explain, like Solomon, the gender attributes of this abstract thing we call wisdom.<br />
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Paul does say that Yeshua is the wisdom of Yahweh. But, what does that mean in relation to Yeshua himself. You can go back to John 1:1, where the Hebrew word Davar is used. In Greek, Logos is used. Yeshua is Yahweh's wisdom in the sense of being his exact divine expression, as stated in Hebrews 1.<br />
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Yeshua IS the actions of Yahweh, the insight of his nature--- the expression of his being, as Hebrews 1 states. This does NOT mean that Yahweh is a she, because the word ALWAYS refers to him as a HE. Yeshua is NOT a she either, but a HE, and the sane with the Holy Spirit.</i>