The Purpose of It - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T15:22:34Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/the-purpose-of-it?groupUrl=holinessasamovementanddoctrine&commentId=916966%3AComment%3A1321120&groupId=916966%3AGroup%3A1224540&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAmen..tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-06-21:916966:Comment:13752452010-06-21T13:36:25.781ZPreacherhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/duckonia
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Amen.. What is so troubling and dist…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-17:916966:Comment:13248312010-05-17T11:49:08.379ZServant J. A. C. Majorshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ServantJACMajors
What is so troubling and disturbing by your "rash" comment is that fact that you feel I would be offended by the "truth." I am not a lay member, I am a preacher and pastor called by Yahweh to do proclaim his word which is the truth. What authority or right do you have, given all the information I have provided about myself, my ministry and my words. to judge me of being anything less than a saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost preacher. You are the tumor in the church that is…
What is so troubling and disturbing by your "rash" comment is that fact that you feel I would be offended by the "truth." I am not a lay member, I am a preacher and pastor called by Yahweh to do proclaim his word which is the truth. What authority or right do you have, given all the information I have provided about myself, my ministry and my words. to judge me of being anything less than a saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost preacher. You are the tumor in the church that is causing so many to break away and hide themselves in mega churches. Your "approach" even to me as a pastor is very self righteous and extremely rude. In one paragraph you haved managed to cut me down on every level you could find. Wisdom, understanding, honor and even respect, none of which you have conveyed to me or shown me by how and the way you have attemptd to minister unto me. Your tongue is your enemy it will cause you to be isolated not because of holiness but because what you say and how you say is not IN LOVE. And love is God, and they that have love have God. Nothing you said was in a loving spirit but it was extremely haughty and high-minded. Christ never present his argument as you have and I pray to Yahweh in the name of his Son, that your approach and your style of discussion does not hinder, or harm anyone in this walk. It is not "wise" to question another mans faith or his walk. It's like calling an American, un-American. If anything what you have done is ruptured a spirit in me of prayer for preachers like you that don't see the harm you can cause with you words that you try to connect with Yahweh's word. I have been justified and need not your approval on my ministry or my views. I am under no condemenation by your assertions and by the rashness of your mouth. Look for ways to come together and not ways provoke someone to wrath. Finally the bible says "Learn to do well." You have failed to do well with me. Wisdom does not come with age…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-15:916966:Comment:13223212010-05-15T14:06:53.973ZFoley A. Parkerhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/FoleyAParker
Wisdom does not come with age ,it comes with the Anointing.Ez.44 tells us about God allowing preachers to minister to His people ,but they are not allowed to minister to God.So my point is that no you are wrong for thinking that I want Truth only to be recieved from myself,because none of us has arrived.I respect everyone for where they are in the body,but when one is offended by the Truth there must be some self examination. The Word says that he who recieves rebuke i.e, correction is wise and…
Wisdom does not come with age ,it comes with the Anointing.Ez.44 tells us about God allowing preachers to minister to His people ,but they are not allowed to minister to God.So my point is that no you are wrong for thinking that I want Truth only to be recieved from myself,because none of us has arrived.I respect everyone for where they are in the body,but when one is offended by the Truth there must be some self examination. The Word says that he who recieves rebuke i.e, correction is wise and he that shuns it is a fool. The power of life and death are in the tongue and he that use the Words of God should Trust that it is He who will do the convicting and the converting.When I am troubled by a Word from God that shuts down my pride of how and when and who God used to get me saved, I must realize that all I should seek to be is a servant of God, and not another name added to some list of so called great preacher.Holiness is what it is not what it can be.This is why the body of belivers that know the Truth should PREACH the TRUTH and nothing else.Today there are preachers out there asking,questions like who do you think has the greater Anointing to lead the people of God.Now you tell me is there any greater Aniointing from God? God's Anointing is the Greatest in it self but,we limit it by not wholly Trusting Him and the Power of His Anointing.Now as for Honor, God said to give Honor where Honor id due ,not where it is demanded.As to respect,I respect all mankind and where ever he chooses to walk ,but that does not mean I will honor it if there is error in where he is walking.We are to exhort one another and correct one another when there is fault, but in today's church no one want to be corrected and all wants to be exalted whit false exhortation, by excepting any and everything that sounds or looks good.Remember my brother in these last and evil days they will heap to themselves teachers having itchy ears,that will tell them exactly what they want to hear rather that what they NEED to hear.<br />
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God Bless you and I will be praying for the Lord to open your understanding to the Greater Works that we are to do... As a holiness preacher I can…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-14:916966:Comment:13214842010-05-14T19:46:17.889ZServant J. A. C. Majorshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ServantJACMajors
As a holiness preacher I can agree with everything you are saying. Because we emphaszied living holy above all else. But Yahweh showed me something one day. He said to me "It is I that will make you worthy and not you yourself." What he was saying to me is that you can't base your ability to preach and and use your gifts and talents for him based upon whether you think you are living a righteous lifestyle. You must preach in faith, because even your righteous lifestyle is filty to Yahweh.…
As a holiness preacher I can agree with everything you are saying. Because we emphaszied living holy above all else. But Yahweh showed me something one day. He said to me "It is I that will make you worthy and not you yourself." What he was saying to me is that you can't base your ability to preach and and use your gifts and talents for him based upon whether you think you are living a righteous lifestyle. You must preach in faith, because even your righteous lifestyle is filty to Yahweh. Obedience is what he calls for and ask of us. Send me your email and I will write a testimony of what happened to me. Yahweh caused me to raise a stranger from the dead less than 10 minutes after I had committed sin. I cried because I didn't understand why he would use me to do something so miraculous after I had done somehting so horrible and that's when he said to me "It is I that will make you worthy and not you yourself." He showed me that once he has anointed a preacher to do something, no matter if they do right or not, he will use him for his good pleasure. Jacob--crook. Abraham--didn't trust Yahweh and lied. Hosea--married a whore. David--lied cheated and was a murderer. King Saul--dabbled in witchcraft. Peter--cursed Christ and denied him. Moses--got mad at Yahweh, complained, and denied his commission. What I'm saying is that Yahweh used people based upon his desire to use them no matter if their lifestyle measures up or not. The hope is that we all live saved and remain holy. That's the hope and that's were we should have faith in Yahweh to help us live saved and holy. But it doesn't mean if you don't that you will impart your sin to others throgh preaching christ. A drunk can read John 3:16 and when he is done it will not make me want to drink. It is the word that gives life and not the messenger.<br />
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I don't agree with denominations rejecting parts of the Word. I have not found that to be the case in most holiness denominations but rather more so in others. The Baptist for instance are good at preaching and teaching water baptism and salvation but fail in teaching about the baptism in the Holy Ghost. But that's ok. Perhaps if I were young christian I could start out a baptist church and graduate to another denomination that teaches the next level. Yes you do sense offense beca…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-14:916966:Comment:13211662010-05-14T14:30:51.792ZServant J. A. C. Majorshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ServantJACMajors
Yes you do sense offense because the group has never denied holiness beyond the holiness movement. This group was to reflect those that influenced the holiness movement and help create the holiness church. I was saved and filled with the Holy Ghost under a holiness denomination and so when you say what you have said, you are dismissing my personal spiritual experience in the faith as foolishness and that's offensive. Because it was by that foolishness that you are protraying, that helped shape…
Yes you do sense offense because the group has never denied holiness beyond the holiness movement. This group was to reflect those that influenced the holiness movement and help create the holiness church. I was saved and filled with the Holy Ghost under a holiness denomination and so when you say what you have said, you are dismissing my personal spiritual experience in the faith as foolishness and that's offensive. Because it was by that foolishness that you are protraying, that helped shape and mold the person I am today. I'm proud of the holiness church and I'm proud to be a preacher added to the list of many great preachers responsible of the holiness movement in America. This group is not the sum of what holiness is but is a avenue of what holiness can be and is for many people today. You said you joined this group to express the the truth, why would I be preacher if I did not know the truth. I'm free because of the truth so when you say that statement it sounds like you are implying that no one knows the truth unless they hear it from you. We must respect each others walk and each others level. You are older than I, so of couse your views and prespectives will be different from mine. But honor and respect me at least for the level I have attained and pray for me concerning the rest. Do I sense a little offense?I…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-14:916966:Comment:13211572010-05-14T14:17:31.151ZFoley A. Parkerhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/FoleyAParker
Do I sense a little offense?I TRUELY believe Holiness is a movement of God,just not by denomination or standards of man.I joined the group to express Truth according to Tthe Word Of Jesus Christ and no other name under Heaven.If the Word of God has cut through bone and marrow and spirit and soul then I believe my point is well made preacher.One more question,do the catholic christians believe what you believe Holiness to be?<br />
Yeshua the Living God!!!!!!!!
Do I sense a little offense?I TRUELY believe Holiness is a movement of God,just not by denomination or standards of man.I joined the group to express Truth according to Tthe Word Of Jesus Christ and no other name under Heaven.If the Word of God has cut through bone and marrow and spirit and soul then I believe my point is well made preacher.One more question,do the catholic christians believe what you believe Holiness to be?<br />
Yeshua the Living God!!!!!!!! I have been a musicain for ov…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-14:916966:Comment:13211332010-05-14T14:02:57.540ZServant J. A. C. Majorshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ServantJACMajors
I have been a musicain for over 20 years. And I have played in different denominations. Each denomination is all most like different spiritual levels. Changing from one denomination to another is just like moving from one level to another. Sometimes Truth and Fact intersect. The fact is that Christianity in America was changed because of the holiness movement. The truth is in doing so it fulfilled Yahweh's word which he said in the last days I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh. The…
I have been a musicain for over 20 years. And I have played in different denominations. Each denomination is all most like different spiritual levels. Changing from one denomination to another is just like moving from one level to another. Sometimes Truth and Fact intersect. The fact is that Christianity in America was changed because of the holiness movement. The truth is in doing so it fulfilled Yahweh's word which he said in the last days I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh. The holiness movement emphasized that pouring out and called it the "baptism in the spirit." What more could I say. If you don't agree with holiness as a movement and a doctrine, why are you a member of the group? This group is to promote unity among those that are like minded and not those that seek to convert to their level of knowledge not matter how good it may be. Present your case and let it rest. Some plant, some water, some harvest, but Yahweh gives the increase. Is ANYTHING to hard for GOD?…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-14:916966:Comment:13211282010-05-14T13:50:51.399ZFoley A. Parkerhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/FoleyAParker
Is ANYTHING to hard for GOD?<br />
God give the recelation to His people when His Truth is spoken.Thus said the Lord!!!! His WORD wil accomplish the very thing to which He has sent it and shall not return void.The WORD of God brings enlightment to the dark understanding of His people and we as His servants must TRUST THAT HE IS ABLE (HIS WORD) to bring them out of darkness into the Light.To be born again as the Word instructs us is to become a new creature by the renewing of our mind, thus giving way…
Is ANYTHING to hard for GOD?<br />
God give the recelation to His people when His Truth is spoken.Thus said the Lord!!!! His WORD wil accomplish the very thing to which He has sent it and shall not return void.The WORD of God brings enlightment to the dark understanding of His people and we as His servants must TRUST THAT HE IS ABLE (HIS WORD) to bring them out of darkness into the Light.To be born again as the Word instructs us is to become a new creature by the renewing of our mind, thus giving way to the Holy Ghost to come in and be our guide,because without His guidance we remain lost even after we go through the Baptsim of water void in our understanding. Reply..to each point
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1. & 2. I like what Paul said...when he heard that people where going out preaching for reasons other than true holiness as Bishop Foley drives home above (money and popularity) in the villiages, Paul simply said <b>"whether in envy or in strife Christ is proclaimed and it that I do rejoice."</b> What he meant by that is regardless of if the those that preach are doing it for the right reason, if they are proclaiming Christ as the Son of Yahweh, someone out there still…
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1. & 2. I like what Paul said...when he heard that people where going out preaching for reasons other than true holiness as Bishop Foley drives home above (money and popularity) in the villiages, Paul simply said <b>"whether in envy or in strife Christ is proclaimed and it that I do rejoice."</b> What he meant by that is regardless of if the those that preach are doing it for the right reason, if they are proclaiming Christ as the Son of Yahweh, someone out there still has been given and opprotunity to accept Christ for himself. So it is not for us to judge the messenger but rather the content of their message. Even Paul knew this when he said <b>"but I keep my body under subjection lest by any means when I have preached to others, I myself become a cast away."</b> The each preacher lives is a choice but preaching the word is a command.<br />
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3. I think the foundation of every church is pure when it is founded upon Christ no matter what church. He said "upon this rock (himself) I will be build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." The negatives you spoke of are not negatives but different character straits that each church "should" have. Just like our children have different staits from each other. Teir differences is not a negative, but it gives each child his own way of looking at life. They come from the same parent (Christ) but are unique (the Church). I really enjoyed what you had…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-05-14:916966:Comment:13210892010-05-14T13:11:49.012ZServant J. A. C. Majorshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ServantJACMajors
I really enjoyed what you had to say. I guess my question and position and group for that matter, was an attempt to cause attention to the waywardness of the "holiness" movement and church in America from the very views you have expressed. What I'm trying to say is you cannot put the cart before the horse, or rather you can not take people to the level you have just described above if they want even first understand and see the need to be filled with the Holy Ghost. Being filled with the Holy…
I really enjoyed what you had to say. I guess my question and position and group for that matter, was an attempt to cause attention to the waywardness of the "holiness" movement and church in America from the very views you have expressed. What I'm trying to say is you cannot put the cart before the horse, or rather you can not take people to the level you have just described above if they want even first understand and see the need to be filled with the Holy Ghost. Being filled with the Holy Ghost was the primary doctrine of the holiness movement and church. I'm coming from an extremely basic view about the church and about the holiness movement. People will not be understand what you have written above if they can not currently conceive or digest the holiness movement and church old. One level leads to the next.