The Tribulation Period lasting for 7 years is a FALSE Doctrine!
The Tribulation Period lasting for 7 years is a FALSE Doctrine!
For all that think the Tribulation Period is going to last for 7 years, you will soon find yourselves in for a very rude awakening. If you do not take heed, research, study and pray for wisdom and understanding you are going to find yourselves right dab in the middle of the ‘times of Jacobs troubles’ with only two choices; either take the mark of the beast, or die for the word of God!
Think about this using just a little common sense;
There is ONE verse and ONE verse ONLY, found in the book of Daniel, that someone without any knowledge, wisdom nor understanding, has tied together 7 years to what they THINK is the tribulation period. When, in fact, THIS particular vision of Daniel has NOTHING to do with the tribulation period nor the Abomination of Desolation (AOD).
Jesus, Daniel, Paul and John tells us it is the action of the Abomination of Desolation (the son of perdition, the man of sin) that sets in motion the time frame of the tribulation period. So how can a verse that mentions nothing about the AOD or the tribulation period be correct prophecy concerning a 7 year tribulation? It CAN’T!
In contrast, God tells us (6) times and in 3 different ways that the tribulation period WILL last for 3.5 years.
He tells us in the OT!
He tell us in the NT!
He tells us using Days!
He tells us using Months!
He tells us using Years!
Along with all He has given us, He even tells us what event to look for that will kick it all off! God tells us so many times and in so many ways it is almost HARD to miss. And yet there will be those that will let someone do just what Jesus and Paul warned us about;
Matt.24
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
2Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
I’m sorry to say, but if you have been taught, and believe, the tribulation period is going to last for 7 years…..YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!!!
Can you can prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, that the tribulation period will last for 7 years? Your life depends upon it!
THIS Vision is NOT about the Tribulation Period
Before proving that the Tribulation period will last for 3.5yrs. Let’s examine how Daniel’s vision IS NOT speaking about a 7yr tribulation period.
There is only verse that tries to link the Tribulation Period to 7yrs; the misunderstood 70 weeks vision of Daniel found in the 9th chapter. Let's read it;
Dan.9
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Now remember……this is the ONLY verse in the entire bible that people will use to defend a 7yr tribulation period. Let’s see if their defense is supported by scriptures.
Most believe it is during this 1 prophetic week (7yrs) the tribulation takes place, and in the middle of the week, (3.5yrs) the sacrifices will end. Well let's back up a bit to see what the subject of THIS vision is.
[1] In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
We find that Daniel was reading in the books of Jeremiah, about what would become of the Holy city Jerusalem. Mind you, this was during the 1st year of the reign of Darius. The vision that actually mentions the AOD does not come until years later. Let’s now read the answer from Gabriel;
[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
So the angel Gabriel came to give Daniel an answer to his questions.
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Now at what point did the angel Gabriel say anything about the Abomination of Desolation, the man of sin, the son of perdition, or the Tribulation Period sometimes called the times of Jacobs trouble? He didn’t. Not once!
This vision IS NOT about the Abomination of Desolation nor the Tribulation Period. It is about the nation of Israel, the Holy city Jerusalem, and the anointing of the most Holy, Jesus Christ.
Let’s look at the vision, as it is told to Daniel by the angel Gabriel. More importantly, let’s find the subject of the vision; who is it speaking of.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Without getting into the entire prophecy, we know for a fact the only person mentioned above is the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Let’s read more;
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Again, the ONLY person mentioned thus far is Jesus Christ. How do we know? Because it was Jesus Christ that was killed, ‘cut off’, but not because of something He did. Now let’s read the last verse;
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Again, WHO is the ‘he’ mentioned above? It can ONLY be the one spoken of throughout this entire vision…..Jesus Christ! How can it be anyone else?
It CAN’T!!!!
Let’s look at something else. Gabriel used the word ‘confirm’ and NOT ‘make’. Let’s look up the difference.
Confirm - to make certain that a tentative arrangement or one made earlier is firm.
Make - to cause a condition or situation to arise or exist.
Who was it that had already made a covenant with the nation of Israel and would later confirm it? None other than Jesus Christ!
And who was it that stopped the sacrifice and oblation to cease? Again, Jesus Christ! When you ask? The moment He died.
“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;” Matt.27:51
When Jesus died and the veil ripped it two, that was the end of animal sacrifice. As a matter of fact, all of these events happened within the time frame given above in the 27th verse.
Not only did Jesus stop the sacrifices in the middle of a prophetic week; His ministry was for 3.5 years, He also died in the middle of a literal week, a Wednesday (another lesson I know, but it is the ONLY way to get 3 days and 3 nights, 72 hours, just as Jesus said)
So just as Gabriel told Daniel at the beginning, this vision is about, the nation of Israel, the city Jerusalem and the most Holy, Jesus Christ.
Again, at what point is the AOD mentioned? Or what about the times of trouble?. Something that must be understood is that Daniel had MORE that one vision. Some had to do with the last days. And others had to do with the kings that was ruling at the time.
So are you SURE this is speaking about a 7 year tribulation period? There is no way it can!
God said 3.5 years for the times of Jacobs Troubles, NOT 7!
Now that we have cleared that up, let’s read from God‘s holy word about the Tribulation period and how long He says it will last. I pray you will take the time to not only read the information, but study it, examine it...see if it makes sense.
Let’s first go to the NT and the book of Rev. to see if we can find any information about anything concerning the tribulation period or things associated with it.
In the book of Rev. we learn of (2) descriptions of the woman fleeing to the wilderness and that the phrase, ‘time, times and half a time.’ is equal to 3.5 years.
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.
And who is the woman? It is the church…i.e. all those that have chosen to follow the true and living God. And we are told that God will take care of the church for a thousand (1000) + two hundred (200) + three score (20+20+20) days which equals 3.5 years. Now just to back that up God tells us in another way.
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.
And how do we get 3.5 years from this? Let’s reason; a time = 1 year. Times = 2 years. Half a time = .5 years. Together: 1+2+.5= 3.5 years. Thus far this is pretty simple. Now let’s go to the OT to the book of Daniel and read about ANOTHER one of his many visions;
Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.
Again, we already know just how long this is from what we learned in Rev. A time, times and a half is equal to 3.5 years. And remember, this time that Daniel speaks of is like no other. It is a one time event. It is the Tribulation period. Now let’s jump back to the NT;
It was revealed to John that the AOD would speak great things and blasphemies and that, ’… power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” Forty-two months equals, 3.5 years. Rev 13:5.
And how long is 42 months? 3.5 years. Now let’s look at an individual described the same way by Daniel and how long he would rule;
It was revealed to Daniel that the AOD would, ‘…speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3.5 years. Dan 7:25
Again we have a familiar number. One we already know is equal to 3.5 years. Let’s look at another;
Daniel also tells us that the total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years. Dan 7:11.
Again we have a number that is very close to what we have learned thus far, but remember, this time frame also includes the time needed to set up the AOD, which accounts for the extra 30days.
At the same time all of these events are taking place, God sends two witnesses to prophesy and perform miracles for, ’…a thousand two hundred and threescore days…’, or, 3.5 years,
Again 3.5 years. Do you think God is trying His best to send us a message? Let’s review:
- The AOD would speak great things and blasphemies and that, ’… power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” Forty-two months equals, 3.5 years. Rev 13:5
- The AOD would, ‘…speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3.5 years. Dan 7:25
- The total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years + 30 days to set uo the AOD. Dan 7:11.
- The woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.
- And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.
- Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.
- At the same time all of these events are taking place, God sends two witnesses to prophesy and perform miracles for, ’…a thousand two hundred and threescore days…’, or, 3.5 years,
God gave us a time frame of 3.5 years in (7) different places in the bible, in both the OT and NT. Can you think of ANY warning, throughout the entire bible, given to us more? There is NONE!!! How many times and in how many ways must God tell us this warning?
Now if God wanted to tell us the Tribulation period was to last for 7 years he could just as easily have said;
"Two thousand five hundred and fifty and five days."
"Times, Times, Times and a Time."
"Eighty and Four months."
But He did not! Now why is that? It would not have been hard to do or for us to figure out.
Again….would you like to go with the ONE misunderstood scripture that says NOTHING at all about the AOD nor the Tribulation Period and try to MAKE it fit into what you think is right?
Or would you rather go with the (7) plain and very easy to understand verses provided by God telling us just how long the tribulation period would last and who would be in charge.
Will you heed the warnings of Daniel, Paul, John and your Savior Jesus Christ?
Choose very carefully……Your life DOES depend upon it!
As always, please pray for wisdom and understanding
Peace in the name of Jesus Christ.
For all that think the Tribulation Period is going to last for 7 years, you will soon find yourselves in for a very rude awakening. If you do not take heed, research, study and pray for wisdom and understanding you are going to find yourselves right dab in the middle of the ‘times of Jacobs troubles’ with only two choices; either take the mark of the beast, or die for the word of God!
Think about this using just a little common sense;
There is ONE verse and ONE verse ONLY, found in the book of Daniel, that someone without any knowledge, wisdom nor understanding, has tied together 7 years to what they THINK is the tribulation period. When, in fact, THIS particular vision of Daniel has NOTHING to do with the tribulation period nor the Abomination of Desolation (AOD).
Jesus, Daniel, Paul and John tells us it is the action of the Abomination of Desolation (the son of perdition, the man of sin) that sets in motion the time frame of the tribulation period. So how can a verse that mentions nothing about the AOD or the tribulation period be correct prophecy concerning a 7 year tribulation? It CAN’T!
In contrast, God tells us (6) times and in 3 different ways that the tribulation period WILL last for 3.5 years.
He tells us in the OT!
He tell us in the NT!
He tells us using Days!
He tells us using Months!
He tells us using Years!
Along with all He has given us, He even tells us what event to look for that will kick it all off! God tells us so many times and in so many ways it is almost HARD to miss. And yet there will be those that will let someone do just what Jesus and Paul warned us about;
Matt.24
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
2Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
I’m sorry to say, but if you have been taught, and believe, the tribulation period is going to last for 7 years…..YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!!!
Can you can prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, that the tribulation period will last for 7 years? Your life depends upon it!
THIS Vision is NOT about the Tribulation Period
Before proving that the Tribulation period will last for 3.5yrs. Let’s examine how Daniel’s vision IS NOT speaking about a 7yr tribulation period.
There is only verse that tries to link the Tribulation Period to 7yrs; the misunderstood 70 weeks vision of Daniel found in the 9th chapter. Let's read it;
Dan.9
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Now remember……this is the ONLY verse in the entire bible that people will use to defend a 7yr tribulation period. Let’s see if their defense is supported by scriptures.
Most believe it is during this 1 prophetic week (7yrs) the tribulation takes place, and in the middle of the week, (3.5yrs) the sacrifices will end. Well let's back up a bit to see what the subject of THIS vision is.
[1] In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
We find that Daniel was reading in the books of Jeremiah, about what would become of the Holy city Jerusalem. Mind you, this was during the 1st year of the reign of Darius. The vision that actually mentions the AOD does not come until years later. Let’s now read the answer from Gabriel;
[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
So the angel Gabriel came to give Daniel an answer to his questions.
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Now at what point did the angel Gabriel say anything about the Abomination of Desolation, the man of sin, the son of perdition, or the Tribulation Period sometimes called the times of Jacobs trouble? He didn’t. Not once!
This vision IS NOT about the Abomination of Desolation nor the Tribulation Period. It is about the nation of Israel, the Holy city Jerusalem, and the anointing of the most Holy, Jesus Christ.
Let’s look at the vision, as it is told to Daniel by the angel Gabriel. More importantly, let’s find the subject of the vision; who is it speaking of.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Without getting into the entire prophecy, we know for a fact the only person mentioned above is the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Let’s read more;
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Again, the ONLY person mentioned thus far is Jesus Christ. How do we know? Because it was Jesus Christ that was killed, ‘cut off’, but not because of something He did. Now let’s read the last verse;
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Again, WHO is the ‘he’ mentioned above? It can ONLY be the one spoken of throughout this entire vision…..Jesus Christ! How can it be anyone else?
It CAN’T!!!!
Let’s look at something else. Gabriel used the word ‘confirm’ and NOT ‘make’. Let’s look up the difference.
Confirm - to make certain that a tentative arrangement or one made earlier is firm.
Make - to cause a condition or situation to arise or exist.
Who was it that had already made a covenant with the nation of Israel and would later confirm it? None other than Jesus Christ!
And who was it that stopped the sacrifice and oblation to cease? Again, Jesus Christ! When you ask? The moment He died.
“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;” Matt.27:51
When Jesus died and the veil ripped it two, that was the end of animal sacrifice. As a matter of fact, all of these events happened within the time frame given above in the 27th verse.
Not only did Jesus stop the sacrifices in the middle of a prophetic week; His ministry was for 3.5 years, He also died in the middle of a literal week, a Wednesday (another lesson I know, but it is the ONLY way to get 3 days and 3 nights, 72 hours, just as Jesus said)
So just as Gabriel told Daniel at the beginning, this vision is about, the nation of Israel, the city Jerusalem and the most Holy, Jesus Christ.
Again, at what point is the AOD mentioned? Or what about the times of trouble?. Something that must be understood is that Daniel had MORE that one vision. Some had to do with the last days. And others had to do with the kings that was ruling at the time.
So are you SURE this is speaking about a 7 year tribulation period? There is no way it can!
God said 3.5 years for the times of Jacobs Troubles, NOT 7!
Now that we have cleared that up, let’s read from God‘s holy word about the Tribulation period and how long He says it will last. I pray you will take the time to not only read the information, but study it, examine it...see if it makes sense.
Let’s first go to the NT and the book of Rev. to see if we can find any information about anything concerning the tribulation period or things associated with it.
In the book of Rev. we learn of (2) descriptions of the woman fleeing to the wilderness and that the phrase, ‘time, times and half a time.’ is equal to 3.5 years.
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.
And who is the woman? It is the church…i.e. all those that have chosen to follow the true and living God. And we are told that God will take care of the church for a thousand (1000) + two hundred (200) + three score (20+20+20) days which equals 3.5 years. Now just to back that up God tells us in another way.
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.
And how do we get 3.5 years from this? Let’s reason; a time = 1 year. Times = 2 years. Half a time = .5 years. Together: 1+2+.5= 3.5 years. Thus far this is pretty simple. Now let’s go to the OT to the book of Daniel and read about ANOTHER one of his many visions;
Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.
Again, we already know just how long this is from what we learned in Rev. A time, times and a half is equal to 3.5 years. And remember, this time that Daniel speaks of is like no other. It is a one time event. It is the Tribulation period. Now let’s jump back to the NT;
It was revealed to John that the AOD would speak great things and blasphemies and that, ’… power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” Forty-two months equals, 3.5 years. Rev 13:5.
And how long is 42 months? 3.5 years. Now let’s look at an individual described the same way by Daniel and how long he would rule;
It was revealed to Daniel that the AOD would, ‘…speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3.5 years. Dan 7:25
Again we have a familiar number. One we already know is equal to 3.5 years. Let’s look at another;
Daniel also tells us that the total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years. Dan 7:11.
Again we have a number that is very close to what we have learned thus far, but remember, this time frame also includes the time needed to set up the AOD, which accounts for the extra 30days.
At the same time all of these events are taking place, God sends two witnesses to prophesy and perform miracles for, ’…a thousand two hundred and threescore days…’, or, 3.5 years,
Again 3.5 years. Do you think God is trying His best to send us a message? Let’s review:
- The AOD would speak great things and blasphemies and that, ’… power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” Forty-two months equals, 3.5 years. Rev 13:5
- The AOD would, ‘…speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3.5 years. Dan 7:25
- The total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years + 30 days to set uo the AOD. Dan 7:11.
- The woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.
- And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.
- Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.
- At the same time all of these events are taking place, God sends two witnesses to prophesy and perform miracles for, ’…a thousand two hundred and threescore days…’, or, 3.5 years,
God gave us a time frame of 3.5 years in (7) different places in the bible, in both the OT and NT. Can you think of ANY warning, throughout the entire bible, given to us more? There is NONE!!! How many times and in how many ways must God tell us this warning?
Now if God wanted to tell us the Tribulation period was to last for 7 years he could just as easily have said;
"Two thousand five hundred and fifty and five days."
"Times, Times, Times and a Time."
"Eighty and Four months."
But He did not! Now why is that? It would not have been hard to do or for us to figure out.
Again….would you like to go with the ONE misunderstood scripture that says NOTHING at all about the AOD nor the Tribulation Period and try to MAKE it fit into what you think is right?
Or would you rather go with the (7) plain and very easy to understand verses provided by God telling us just how long the tribulation period would last and who would be in charge.
Will you heed the warnings of Daniel, Paul, John and your Savior Jesus Christ?
Choose very carefully……Your life DOES depend upon it!
As always, please pray for wisdom and understanding
Peace in the name of Jesus Christ.
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Permalink Reply by Pastor valentine on
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Note:: There is more than ONE Tribulation period spoken of in the Bible. So which one of them are you refering too,?
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Permalink Reply by Eccl. 12:13 on
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Let's just use some logic here. There can be only ONE time for the event described here;
Jer.30
[7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Although there may be times of trouble and tribulation, the time spoken of here can only happen ONCE! This event is the same Daniel saw in his vision. Let's read it;
Dan.12
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
As you know, the time being spoken of is in the future. And somewhere between the 2nd coming of Jesus (which is when He returns with the angels, i.e. Michael being mentioned, along with the saints) and the time of the opening of the book of life, there will be a time that has not been on earth since there was a nation, nor even to the time being spoken about in the future vision that was told to Daniel. And the vision Daniel had is the SAME event Jesus warns us about. Let's read it;
Matt.24
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
First we must find what question it is that Jesus is answering. The disciples asked, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Now let's see what signs Jesus gave us;
[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Bad times, but not the tribulation period.
[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.
[9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Still all bad times, but NOT the tribulation period.
[10] And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
[11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Again, still not the tribulation. Now after ALL of the above comes the real bad period;
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Now how many times can there be a time like no other? How many times of trouble can you have that is worse than any time since the beginning the world and there will NOT be another time like it ever again? This event can only happen ONCE! Think about it! If a very, very bad time was to come along, as Jesus said they would, and then another time comes far worse than the previous, then the previous time could NOT have been the great tribulation period.
There can many times of tribulations, but there can only be ONE time of trouble that has not been since there was a world, nor shall ever be again! And that event is the one spoken of by Jeremiah, Daniel and Jesus Christ.
I'm speaking about the tribulation period THEY are speaking about!
Like I said, there are many, and will be many periods of tribulation....Jesus already told us that.
Now which Tribulation period are you refering to that is worse than the event Jeremiah, Daniel and Jesus spoke of?
Book, chapter and verse please.
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As you put it logic. example of bible tribulations. noah and the ark. Hebrews in egyptian captivity, hebrews 40 years in the desert, sodom and gomarrah, when Christ jesus appears the second time. When satan shall be loseed for a thousnd years, the great whit throne Judgement ,etc, these are but a few of biblical tribulations of great proportions. Again which tirbulation do you speak of ?
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Would you agree that there can only be ONE time of GREAT TRIBULATION! Understand how this time is explained by each of the following writers
Jer.30
[7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Although the times you mentioned are tribulation periods, there will come a time that is worse than ALL of them. Jeremiah tells us above the time he is speaking will be like no other tribulation period there has ever been, "so than NONE is like it"!
Again, if no other day is like it, it MUST be a one time event! You can't call an event the 'great tribulation' if another event that follows is worse. Now let's read what Daniel had to say about this SAME event;
Dan.12
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
So Daniel tells us about a time of trouble that is so bad there has NEVER been a time as bad as if before, nor since there ever was a nation, even up to the time he is given in his vision. So again, this is a time like NO OTHER! A one time event!
Like you said above, the events you mentioned were bad, but NONE of them were as bad as the time decribed by Jeremiah and Daniel.
Now on to the words of Jesus Christ;
Matt.24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Jesus tells us about the SAME time as the other two writers. He speaks of a period of time that is SO BAD, there has not been a time like it since the beginning of the world, nor to the time then present, nor EVER SHALL BE!
AGAIN I ASK YOU.....How many times of trouble can you have that is worse than any time since the beginning of the world and there will NOT be another time like it ever again?
Now let's think about tribulations outside of the bible;
You have the fall of Jerusalem in 70ad. Jews were killed by the thousands...but the time they speak of is worse than that.
You have the Crusades were people were forced to accept a religion....but the time they speak of is worse than this.
Then you have the Holocaust with millions killed.......still does not compare to the time spoken of by Jeremiah, Daniel and Jesus.
And the list could go on and on, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Iran, Darfur.....
None of the above tribulations will even compare to the day spoken of by Jeremiah, Daniel and our Lord. That is whay they ALL say,
"for that day is great, so that none is like it"
"and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time"
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"
So again, you ask which tribulation do I speak of?
I speak of the ONLY GREAT TRIBULATION THERE CAN BE....the one spoken of by JEREMIAH, DANIEL AND JESUS CHRIST!!
For there may be many periods of tribulation, just as you mentioned, but there can only be one GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD!!!
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[The Great Tribulation] I am a student of the bible and one that reads and study it Daily. Along with the guide of the Holy Gost and prayer. In scripture I'll give you the 7 years. I'll use Rev 11:3. 13:5. 19:11-21, 2Thess 2 :8,[ Among many. ] we come to the biblical conclusion of 7 years through two events The prophesing of the two witnesses {Rev 11:3.] Who prophesy four a period of. One thousand two hundred and three scour days. [which eaqual 3 and a half years]. Then we have the beasts [ Rev. 13:5] who's rise and fall is fortty and two months . Three and half plus Three and a half equals 7 years.. Background scripture is Rev.19:11-21 and 2 thess. 2:8
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As I stated in my text, the verses I gave were only a few of those that could be used.. yes the book of Daniel is one those books that speaks to the Great Tribulation. Also Ecc 12:13 says or has not any thing to do with the great tribulation. also in your comment you make no sense. First you say the great tribulation is only three and a half years. yet YOU go on to say the first three and a half years of the great tribulation is ?....take your time doc, I am a bible reader and one who studies.
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Doc reread your post I qoute: the first three and a half years of the tribulstion period is a time of pseudo- peace. basic english first indicates the coming of a 2nd, 3.5 + 3.5 = 7
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The point of this post was to establish if the 7year great tribulation. To be true or false, the fact the bible says it was 7 years of tribulation. We cannot call it 3.5 or what ever., the word of God changes not. As a bible student I take the word of as is. I don't add to or take from, it is what it is.
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Let's go with your line of thinking. You say that two witnesesses will prophesy for a period of 1,260 days (3.5yrs) and the beast who's rise and fall is 42months. is equal to 3.2yrs also. Added together we come up with 7 years.
Now if those were the ONLY (2) time frames dealing with the tribulation period that may be acceptable. But are those the ONLY two 3.5yr period mentioned? Let's read more ALL dealing with 3.5yrs;
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.
Daniel also tells us that the total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years. Dan 7:11.
Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.
Now, according to you should we ADD these 3.5yr periods together also, which would give us 10.5yrs?
Or do we add them to the 7yrs you already added from the other (2) 3.5yr periods which would give us a total of 17.5yrs.
Just where in the scriptures do you find we must only ADD the (2) time frames you gave and not the other.
Also, how do you know the time of the two witnesses and the time of the beast are not happening at the same time?
Your thoughts please.
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Where did you get a time, times, and a half equal 3.5 years? also I only used just two of the bibles references. There are many many more
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Brother, the fact that you are asking the question of how I know that time, times and a half of time is equal to 3.5yrs, let's me know that you did not even bother to read my entire lesson, for I explained it completely in my post. Your question also brings to mind something you said earlier, "[The Great Tribulation] I am a student of the bible and one that reads and study it Daily." That aside, here is how I know that "time, times and a half of time" is equal to 3.5yrs;
In the book of Rev. we learn of (2) descriptions of the woman fleeing to the wilderness. This is a ONE time event, but God provides us with TWO different ways to let us know how long she will be protected. God let's us know in (days) and in (years), both of them are equal to 3.5 years.
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.
And who is the woman? It is the church…i.e. all those that have chosen to following the true and living God. And we are told that God will take care of the church for a thousand (1000) + two hundred (200) + three score (20+20+20) days which equals 3.5 years. Now just to back that up God tells us in another way.
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.
And how do we get 3.5 years from this? Let’s reason; a Time = 1 year. Times = Time + Time or Times = 2 years. Half a time = .5 years. Together: 1+2+.5= 3.5 years.
Now that I have answered your question, hopefully you will do the same and answer mine. Here is is again;
Let's go with your line of thinking. You say that two witnesesses will prophesy for a period of 1,260 days (3.5yrs) and the beast who's rise and fall is 42months. is equal to 3.2yrs also. Added together we come up with 7 years.
Now if those were the ONLY (2) time frames dealing with the tribulation period that may be acceptable. But are those the ONLY two 3.5yr period mentioned? Let's read more ALL dealing with 3.5yrs;
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.
Daniel also tells us that the total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years. Dan 7:11.
Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.
Now, according to you should we ADD these 3.5yr periods together also, which would give us 10.5yrs?
Or do we add them to the 7yrs you already added from the other (2) 3.5yr periods which would give us a total of 17.5yrs.
Just where in the scriptures do you find we must only ADD the (2) time frames you gave and not the other.
Also, how do you know the time of the two witnesses and the time of the beast are not happening at the same time?
For that matter, how do you know ALL of the 3.5yr periods are not the same event?
Your thoughts please!
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We do not use our own reasoning to analize the word of God. It is the Job of the Holy Ghost/Prayer/ bible study. the bible says to lean not on your own understanding
you ;;lets' reason time + 1 years , times time =2 years half a time = .50 What scale are you useing to measure this time[crazy]
you. a thousand two hundred and three score days = 3,5 yers [crazy] the bible says a day in the lord is as a thousand years , also a score is twenty so three score would be sixty... point is it don;t add up
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