Is The Trinity Biblical?
From the Christian Research Institute
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The Trinity is a basic doctrine of orthodox Christianity. Yet the word "Trinity" is not found anywhere in the Bible. Is the doctrine of the Trinity really biblical?
The doctrine of the Trinity says that there is one All Mighty One (God) who exists eternally as three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I can assure you that the elements of this doctrine are all taken directly from the Bible.
The first plank of the Trinitarian platform is that there is only one All Mighty One (God). The Bible could not be more explicit on this point, which it states explicitly about two dozen times. In Isaiah 44:8 Yahweh (The LORD) says that even He does not know of any other (mighty ones)gods!
Yahshua (Jesus) often spoke of the All Mighty One (God) as His Father, and the apostles frequently spoke of "the Almighty One (God) the Father." But the New Testament also insists that Yahshua (Jesus) is The Almighty One (God). For example, Thomas acknowledged Yahshua (Jesus) as, "My Lord(master) and my Almighty One (God)" (John 20:28), and both Peter and Paul spoke of Yahshua (Jesus) as "our All Mighty One (God) and Savior" (2 Pet. 1:1; Tit. 2:13). Yet the New Testament also makes the distinction between the Father and the Son as two very different persons. In fact they tell us that they love one another, speak to each other, and seek to glorify each other (e.g., John 17: 1-26).
The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as The Almighty One (God) at work in the world, without distinction from the Father. But Yahshua (Jesus) in John 14 to 16 explained that this Holy Spirit would be sent by the Father at the Messiah’s (Christ's) request. The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on the Messiah’s 9Christ's) behalf and glorifying The messiah (Christ). Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by The Messiah (Christ) to be a third person distinct from the Father and distinct from the Son.
In short, the doctrine of the Trinity is completely and totally biblical, and it is essential that all the Followers of the Messiah Yahshua (Christians) give assent to this doctrine.

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My bad! I keep forgetting that!
Oh I think you are attempting to insult me huh? You're one of them self Glorifying Preachers that think God gave you permission to treat people any way you want to! I knew what he meant the first time he said it! I ignored it then and I am ignoring it now! I don't care what you have your butt on your shoulders about! THE COUNCIL OF THIS AND THE COUNCIL OF THAT! Oh get off of it! I see your Spirit and I hear your Demon!!! Yea, your bad! It's a lot of other things you seem to keep forgetting too! What History that you have spoke of that I am not aware of? Early Church History?? Were the fore-Fathers of Ministry like you? MR. KNOW IT ALL? Are you saving SOULS with all of your REBUTTALS? Or are you the reason the Church is losing Members? Get mad Haters I don't listen to people like you anyway! How many more of me are there out there?
"Being able to say a-lot, doesn't mean you're saying a lot!"
You threw the first stone at me and your co-signer threw the second! Read what you said again! "Most ministers of God haven't a clue about early church history, haven't read any early church history, and are clueless about the arguments of the Council of Nicea, or the other Councils after that one. This is why you are not getting a constructive rebuttal. See what I mean by uneducated and unprepared folks in leadership positions in the church? They do their congregations a disservice." Then read what Mr.Greene's response was "My bad! I keep forgetting that!" It's very hard not to see who got ugly with who! I respect you, him and your views. If you have so many degrees and know so much, wouldn't God want you to use that power to build up instead of tare down! Such an admirable quality should be used to increase the Kingdom, not destroy it! The Church (ALL OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD SAVED BY THE SACRIFICE OF CHRIST) and this includes Jews and Gentiles. I don't mind being taught, but would you want to hear a teacher in a classroom insult your Children and attack their character! Would Jesus do that? Have Jesus done that? In order to teach the young the elders must first learn to reach the young!
Co-signer? Mr. Williams, let me lay something out clearly for you: when I said what I said, it had very little to do with you. My focus is not to tear down, or to seem smarter than the next man. That was (for me at least) a comment based on conversations between Bro Watson and I. Technically speaking:

-you didn't answer my questions
-I'm not "Seminary trained"

So, sorry for offending you, but this was not a "mind-muscle flexing contest".
I am not stating that Jesus steps in and out of being God! I am stating that he experienced Human life but knew when it was necessary to divinely intervene. I don't recall a time when Jesus said, he can only be mentioned by those who are super educated and those who just have to be right! I wouldn't need a God if I had it all together! My testimony has not been given at all! I have had some very super natural encounters and until I read yours in another place, I thought I could'nt mention those kinds of things without coming off as a "spooky Christian type." But because of those experiences and fact checking myself constantly I am willing to stand by and pray about any and all statements I have made and will make! The only thing I am being rehabilitated from is Worldly "BS" (back sliding).
Forgive me if I mistook your intentions. At the end of the day, being brothers in the word will trump any dispute we may have! It's all God and it's all love!
Dr. Waston
They don't understand all of that! Very good post. Back to studying for my exam this week. I will be bcak later this week.
Brother Anthony Watson said:

“…when Jesus was dying on the Cross, he cried out to His Father, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me." Clearly, there are two distinct Persons here. Jesus was not cying out to Himself, He was crying out to someone else, and that someone else was none other than the Father. The Father and the Son are not the same… »

OK !

Now, Brother Anthony Watson, will you take on the challenge of answering my following question?

Indeed, Phillip asked a question to Jesus Christ:

Question: “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us”

Our Lord Jesus Christ replied:

Answer: DON’T YOU KNOW ME PHILIP…?

“…Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?...”

We notice that Jesus didn’t reply: Don't you know HIM, Philip…?, but He replied:

DON’T YOU KNOW ME PHILIP…?

ME ! ME! ME ! ME! Amen!

WHO IS REALLY THE FATHER ACCORDING TO THE BIBLICAL PASSAGE ABOVE?

AREN’T JESUS AND THE FATHER THE SAME ACCORDING TO THE BIBLICAL PASSAGE ABOVE?

WAS JESUS SPEAKING ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE TO PHILIP?

Enough is enough!!!!!!!

I’m waiting for your answer, spiritually blind men!

Don’t you believe that “…God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation”???

2 Corinthians 5:19

If you do not believe this, then you are spiritually blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRINITY IS NOT SCRIPTURAL, IT’S JUST A DOCTRINE TAUGHT BY DEMONS!!!!

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons”.

1Timothy 4:1

Blessings,

Brother Germain
Brother Anthony Watson,

I've read your long post. I thank you!

Now, would you be so kind as to take on the challenge of answering my following question?

Indeed, Phillip asked a question to Jesus Christ:

Question: “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us”

Our Lord Jesus Christ replied:

Answer: DON’T YOU KNOW ME PHILIP…?

“…Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?...”

We notice that Jesus didn’t reply: Don't you know HIM, Philip…?, but He replied:

DON’T YOU KNOW ME PHILIP…?

ME ! ME! ME ! ME! Amen!

WHO IS REALLY THE FATHER ACCORDING TO THE BIBLICAL PASSAGE ABOVE?

AREN’T JESUS AND THE FATHER THE SAME ACCORDING TO THE BIBLICAL PASSAGE ABOVE?

WAS JESUS SPEAKING ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE TO PHILIP?

Enough is enough!!!!!!!

I’m waiting for your answer, spiritually blind men!

Don’t you believe that “…God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation”???

2 Corinthians 5:19

If you do not believe this, then you are spiritually blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRINITY IS NOT SCRIPTURAL, IT’S JUST A DOCTRINE TAUGHT BY DEMONS!!!!

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons”.

1Timothy 4:1

Blessings,

Brother Germain
Brother Anthony Watson,

I've already answered all your trivial questions above!

I realize that I must teach you again since you keep on asking such trivial questions!

Truly speaking, you seem to be a CHILD spiritually.

Yes, A CHILD!

So, listen to me carefully:

THE MAN JESUS IS COMPARABLE TO THE BRONZE SERPENT LIFTED IN THE WILDERNESS

The Father is God (1Corinthians 15: 24). The Father is not the Son when we refer only to the physical body in which God has been incarnated: the man Jesus. God took a body of flesh (1Timothy 3: 16). This body of flesh called Jesus was a man (hundred percent). God took a body of flesh so that He could suffer and die in order to save us (Isaiah 35: 4, Philippians 2: 5-8; Hebrews 2:9, 17; 12:2).

For this reason and for this reason only, any believer must confess that Jesus is the engendered Son of God by the Holy Spirit. It is here about the man Jesus (1Timothy 2: 5). Coming from God, His blood, His thoughts, and all His life were perfectly holy and without sin. The death and the devil did not have any power, any authority on Him. This body of flesh is comparable to the bronze serpent in the desert:

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life”.

John 3:14-15

Jesus, the son of Man was comparable to the serpent made by Moses. That serpent was an insignificant stuff, without life. But God put His life, His healing power in it. It was lifted up by Moses.

O Hallelujah! God, the source of the life was in this apparently trivial and inanimate bronze serpent. The Bible declares that: “So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived” (Numbers 21: 9).

In the same way, Jesus was a Man (hundred percent) created by God Himself (called Son of God), in which He put his own life in order to save us:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life”.

John 3:16

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life”.

John 3:14-15

Do you understand now why the Holy Scriptures compare the Man Jesus to the bronze serpent?

“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus”

1Timothy 2:5

Do you understand the Holy Scriptures? The Man Jesus, the Mediator between God and men is really God manifested in flesh.

There are not two or three people, but there is one God.

Indeed, Jesus said:

“I and My Father are one.”

John 10:30

“Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves”

John 14:9-11

“And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me”.

John 12:45

“No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him”.

John 1:18

“All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him”.

Matthew 11:27

Consequently, the Father is the Son or the Son is the Father if we refer only to Jesus-Christ as the Holy Spirit.
Indeed, to overcome death and the devil, it was absolutely necessary that He was divine (hundred percent).
The Bible teaches that:

”For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on Earth or things in Heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross”.

Colossians 1:19-20

“For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;”

Colossians 2:9

It is for this reason that any believer must confess that Jesus-Christ is God (Yahweh). He is not a small god, who might be the second person of the trinity. He is not a small god beside Yahweh, but:

-the Powerful God, our Heavenly Father (Isaiah 9: 5-6),
-the true God and eternal life (1John 5: 20),
-the eternally blessed God(Romans 9: 5),
-Our great God and our Savior Jesus-Christ (Titus 2: 13),
-Immanuel: God with us (Matthew 1: 23) Alleluia!!!!
-the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, Who is, Who was, Who is to come, THE ALMIGHTY(Revelation 1:7-8)

As you see, Jesus has a double nature: divine and human:

« What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!”

John 6:62

Before, He was God (Yahweh). He became flesh, Son of Man in order to save us. He ascended where He was before. Then, He appeared to Saul on the Damascus road:

"And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

Acts 9:5

In Heaven, there is Jesus alone. There aren’t two “Gods” (the Father and His son) sitting side by side on the throne. No!


JESUS (JAHSHUA) IS THE NAME OF GOD (YAHWEH) WHO SAVES US


“And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS”.

Luke 1:31

Please, consider this link:

http://www.blackpreachingnetwork.com/forum/topics/916966:Topic:159914

Blessings,

Bro. Germain
Germaine, you keep cutting and pasting the same things over and over with no real substance behind it. I will ask these questions, and hopefully you'll give me the respect in answering it directly (considering you never did so before).

-As an Apostle, I understand being sent by, and submitting to GOD the FATHER. JESUS as an Apostle was sent and submitted to the will of the FATHER. Does that mean JESUS submitted to Himself?

-JESUS said the FATHER is greater than I. Was He mistaken by saying the FATHER is greater than Himself if HE is the FATHER?

-JESUS is an Apostle and no Apostle is sent by their own power, so who sent Him?

-When JESUS, prayed, the FATHER answered Him. Was JESUS talking to Himself if HE's the FATHER?

-Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome, and Polycarp of Smyrna were all Bishops trained and ordained by Apostles Peter and John. They taught that JESUS was not the FATHER, because the Apostles taught them that. Were the Apostle wrong for teaching them this?

-Apostle Paul said that when all things are done, JESUS will turn the Kingdom over to and submit to the FATHER according to 1st Corinthians 15. Does that mean that HE will hand Himself the Kingdom? Will He serve Himself?

PLEASE just answer these question, and spare me the looooong cut and paste stuff.

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