Many today are totally unfamiliar as to what happened at the Council of Nicea. Some of the people who feel that they know only heard bits and pieces, but didn't check any hard evidence or records, nor can they name any names besides "Emperor Constantine".


What REALLY happened at the Council of Nicea? What was the various decrees at that council? 

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I am being fair. History is history. The bible is the bible. We either believe it or we don't. It has nothing to do with my stand point, it has all to do with recorded history. Catholics don't deny their history concerning this. Some applaud it, and some are ashamed of it. But they don't deny it! As far as the movements, we have heard from eyewitnesses what actually happened at the conception of these movements. As we have eyewitnesses of what's happening today in the churches and more so what's "not" happening today in the churches. Christianity as it started in the days of the apostles can't be compared with Catholicism.

I see the whole Pope, Bishop structure in Rome as being a man made system. Paul didn't call these men in scripture listed Popes. The first record of the term is used of Pope Heracleus in the third century, in a letter from Dionysius to Philemon. That whole article you directed me to is an Orthodox England Church that gives it allegance to the patriarchal system of Rome. Its not biblical!

1) You have used the term "Biblical" in a non-biblical, non-realistic manner. Nowadays, the term "Biblical" has moreso become "legendary". When the Apostles set up the Church structure, it was set in a form that few fully understand because few actually study it. Do you think that it was completely laid out in Scripture? Absolutely not. If that held weight, then I'm pretty sure that there are certain aspects to your liturgy and ecclesiology that don't match the first generation of the Church 100% either.


2) The first use of the term Pope has little to anything to do with anything. That is a heretical idea, for it gives the indication that only what is ancient (first century and older) is what is valid. I say that its heretical (hold to it) because we cannot idolize our forefathers in Christianity. Does the use of the term Pope as the designation for their Presiding Bishop violate the priniciples or heart of God, or any kingdom decree in any way? If it does, then and only then is it not "Biblical".


3) They don't pledge allegience to the Bishop of Rome, they are actually Orthodox Church Christians who reside and are located in England.  

1. No, not all of the ecclesiastical or liturgical details were laid out, but some instructions and terms were. I think if "Popes" were called to lead in the church Jesus or Paul would have instructed them too by name.

2. The meaning of the term "Pope" isn't consistant with any ministry in the church. An elder/pastor/bishop/shepherd has a meaning related to the ministry and work called by the Lord, and appointed by the apostles (Paul) The heart of God is for us to obey his Word. The instructions of his apostles are scripture that we must obeyed. The scripture says let the "elders' that rule well... Not the "Popes". Scripture if the final authority!

3. They seemed to approve of the Roman Catholic faith and practices on that site. It's really not an issue with me, but that's what I saw. Maybe I'm wrong.

Oh we have yet to touch on those! The Trinitarian vs Oneness/Sabellianism vs Unitarianism subject is far too common. There is so much more that has yet to be touched unfortunately.

Yes, the "Hypostatic Union" was an issue of debate. 1 Timothy 3:16 begins by saying...And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness. It's a mystery to me and I'm content with that.

Wait Rev. Watson. are we talking 1st Ecumenical Council, or 4th Ecumenical Council here (Council in Chalcedon and the Nestorianism controversy)?

OK, just making sure here. I nearly got lost on this and this is my own subject! LOL

True Paul did say that Elder, but he didn't say "Great is the mystery of the nature/essence of God", he said "Great is the mystery of godliness". There is a difference between the two. 


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