To tithe or not to tithe??? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T18:31:53Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/to-tithe-or-not-to-tithe-1?id=916966%3ATopic%3A1167046&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMYBY,
I agree with you as it…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-07:916966:Comment:11709992010-01-07T06:08:09.824Zkeithhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/keith235
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I agree with you as it relates to the tithe being the produce of the land. This produce of the land is wealth for the individual. Therefore I equate wealth in ancient times (cattle, crops, etc.) with wealth today (money).<br />
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Also did you not see what Jacob said Read: Gen 28:22 KJV - And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee<br />
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Is not Jacob saying that his tithe will be whatever it is that…
MYBY,<br />
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I agree with you as it relates to the tithe being the produce of the land. This produce of the land is wealth for the individual. Therefore I equate wealth in ancient times (cattle, crops, etc.) with wealth today (money).<br />
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Also did you not see what Jacob said Read: Gen 28:22 KJV - And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee<br />
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Is not Jacob saying that his tithe will be whatever it is that Father YAH gives him?? And could that increase be money as well?<br />
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But more directly, I must disagree with you on a tithe only being produce.<br />
Read: Deu 14:24 KJV - And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; [or] if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:<br />
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Deu 14:25 KJV - <b>Then shalt thou turn [it] into money</b>, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose<br />
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Here is a direct quote from The Most High that a tithe being money. Or if you like a tithe being equivalent to money.<br />
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Never the less, I am not a farmer or rancher. I have no garden or animals. Will I then say " I have no produce of the land therefore I do not have to tithe" No. I will not. Jacob tithed whatever he was given by Father YAH. I will do the same. Except my increase will be measured in currency.<br />
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Tithing was for all people not just Priests. The scripture I quoted above say nothing of priests only shall tithe.<br />
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The reason I stated James gave no scripture is due to the statement "Now concerning malachi & tithing, that has nothing to do with the common people, rather, everything to do with the Priests"<br />
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In order to edify me it would help to provide scripture on that matter as well as other matters when making a point then expound upon it.<br />
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It is all for learning the correct culture of our Holy Father.<br />
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end. I am still a bit confused if…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-07:916966:Comment:11709522010-01-07T04:42:56.326ZB Samhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/BrianaHopeJackson
I am still a bit confused if any one truly feels led BY GOD to send me a message so that I can understand and learn about this, please do....only if you feel led....i will be praying for understanding because I know that God is not the author of confusion and I'm gonna trust that he will send someone to help me whether its here on at home!! God bless everyone for your responses...
I am still a bit confused if any one truly feels led BY GOD to send me a message so that I can understand and learn about this, please do....only if you feel led....i will be praying for understanding because I know that God is not the author of confusion and I'm gonna trust that he will send someone to help me whether its here on at home!! God bless everyone for your responses... Thank you so much!tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-07:916966:Comment:11709512010-01-07T04:39:14.255ZB Samhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/BrianaHopeJackson
Thank you so much!
Thank you so much! So do I!!! When I don't tithe…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-07:916966:Comment:11709502010-01-07T04:37:37.885ZB Samhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/BrianaHopeJackson
So do I!!! When I don't tithe it gets harder and harder!
So do I!!! When I don't tithe it gets harder and harder! Please note that I did not ci…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-07:916966:Comment:11709482010-01-07T04:31:20.165ZA.W. Bowmanhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/AWBowman
Please note that I did not cite a single scriptural reference. That was not an oversight. Rather, scriptures were omitted in order to encourage everyone to open up the Bible and search the scriptures for themselves - and to study those same scriptures to show themselves approved unto God - not man!<br />
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Can one set aside the traditions of men and the dogma of the church to discovering what God is actually saying? For example, who knows, as a biblical fact, that establishing and supporting the…
Please note that I did not cite a single scriptural reference. That was not an oversight. Rather, scriptures were omitted in order to encourage everyone to open up the Bible and search the scriptures for themselves - and to study those same scriptures to show themselves approved unto God - not man!<br />
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Can one set aside the traditions of men and the dogma of the church to discovering what God is actually saying? For example, who knows, as a biblical fact, that establishing and supporting the Levitical Priesthood was not what God intended at all - it was His 'Plan B'? And, it is God's Old Covenant Plan B that we are now attempting to modify to so that a few men can live better than those they are suppose to be called to serve.<br />
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Do the math for a congregation of 5, 10, 20, and 50 members who tithe on an average congregational income of $20.000 each. One will quickly discover that 'numbers do count and why 'sheep stealing' becomes a capital offence.<br />
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All of this still allows for a congregation to provide both food, money and other gifts to the ministerial staff - should they choose to do so, but there is no biblically based law that 'requires' a congregation to support their local elders. Follow up comments:
While th…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-07:916966:Comment:11709182010-01-07T04:07:51.963ZA.W. Bowmanhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/AWBowman
Follow up comments:<br />
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While there are ample examples where a 'traveling preacher/minister' should receive substance from the local congregations to assist him in his travels, there are no examples of ministers of a local assembly being supported (honored, yes – supported, no) by the members of the local congregation.<br />
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I cannot speak for the church throughout the world, but here in the west and especially in America, we have a great many ministers who have made their calling a…
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While there are ample examples where a 'traveling preacher/minister' should receive substance from the local congregations to assist him in his travels, there are no examples of ministers of a local assembly being supported (honored, yes – supported, no) by the members of the local congregation.<br />
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I cannot speak for the church throughout the world, but here in the west and especially in America, we have a great many ministers who have made their calling a profession. These ministers have done violence to the word of God and perverted both their calling (if in truth they have been called) and they have stood as a barrier between the saints and their God and even have used the believers as merchandise (as their source of income, even to become personally wealthy). In the past, there was one legitimate spiritual professional, the Levitical Priest. Not even prophets were 'professionals' in that they received a payment for their prophesies. Today, there is not one single practicing Levitical priest on the face of the earth! Why? Because there is no Third Temple in Jerusalem for him to officiate in.<br />
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I also believe that as the day of the Lord approaches even closer, the number of these wolves is growing and affecting both the unwary believer and spiritual seeker, as well as those ministers who are struggling to bring the local flock to spiritual maturity.<br />
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When one percent of the local police becomes corrupt, no policeman, anywhere, can be looked upon without suspicion. When a teacher molests a student, every teacher has become untrustworthy in the eyes of parents. So it is with ministers, i.e. the servants of Jesus Christ and His physical body in this world, who have placed themselves between the saints and their God and have become self-appointed mediators between men and their God, and have taken up the staff of Moses and have become 'Law Givers' to the body of Christ.<br />
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We cannot serve the head while abusing the rest of the body! We are not true servants of Christ when we speak blessings to the head, while we are cutting up and eating the master's own body. No! Those who do such things are murders, not servants. True disciples of Jesus who sit in assemblies such as this are saved in spite of the leadership, not because of it. The saints grow and mature because of their faith in Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit and the truth expressed in the Bible, because those combined powers are greater than that of any corrupt leadership. Witness those who first came out of – and later those few who actually survived – the Jim Jones disaster. Or, those saints who received their salvation while sitting under an immoral preacher. Or, those saints who received spiritual and physical blessings while sitting under a pastor who demanded their money and their personal allegiance.<br />
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I hit hard on the moral aspects of the ministry failings because this is the expected end of those ministers who have turned their calling from God into a human based religious profession. Each of us must decide for ourselves what we shall be, a servant to the master’s body or the master over it, we cannot be both!<br />
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One additional note: Is it possible for one to become a "professional servant"? Yes. See John 10:11-14 (in context). The danger is that when one looks to the church as the source of their support and physical survival (income), what happens all too frequently is that the ministers become entangled in money matters and their focus becomes blurred or even all together misdirected.<br />
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The bottom line: A hired servant works for what he/she can get from their employment (physical rewards). A servant of love labors out of - and for - the reward of a love returned (there is no price tag on this). It is an interesting subject…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-07:916966:Comment:11709162010-01-07T04:06:19.881ZA.W. Bowmanhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/AWBowman
It is an interesting subject - but, there are ten laws concerning tithing. Those laws cover what the tithe is, what they a required to provide, and what the recipients of the tithe are required to do with it.<br />
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For example, the tithe is NOT to go to the pastor! It is to be distributed equally between everyone who labors in the Temple - from the door keeper, the dancers, musicians, the current team of priests and those not on duty for the week, all of the families above related family members,…
It is an interesting subject - but, there are ten laws concerning tithing. Those laws cover what the tithe is, what they a required to provide, and what the recipients of the tithe are required to do with it.<br />
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For example, the tithe is NOT to go to the pastor! It is to be distributed equally between everyone who labors in the Temple - from the door keeper, the dancers, musicians, the current team of priests and those not on duty for the week, all of the families above related family members, and of course, the poor (both Jew and Gentile). Then, the priests must take a tithe of what they receive and give it to the high priest. But, today our High Priest is Jesus Christ - not the self appointed representative. Nor do we have a third Temple.<br />
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Of course there is yet another consideration: Ministers today neither believe in biblical tithing nor trust God to provide for them. I say this because if ministers who require tithing from their congregations, refuse to give up their secular jobs - both for themselves and all of their family members, and obtain 'approved' sources of income, e.g. reinstituting the Temple tax. There is yet another 'of course' attached to that too. Jesus did not think very highly of that source of income for the Temple - and the local church building is not the Third Temple of God, and the pastor is NOT serving as this year's high priest in that nonexistent Temple in Y'rushalay'im (Jerusalem).<br />
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Now, if anyone is really interest in following the precepts of biblical tithing, then let them actually study and learn the law (its interpretation and application) before attempting to teach others how to observe it! Why do folks preach tithing? What is the purpose and the expected results (goal).<br />
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If one is convinced that they should give some percent of their income to another - then please do so - and do it with joy! However, do not preach the letter of the ordinance of the law - which caries the curse of death! Rather teach the precept of freely giving to those who are in need and as necessary, to those who travel about preaching the good news.<br />
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Note: In some organizations, if one does not tithe (pay tribute, or bribe) the current presiding high priest (Senior Pastor), they cannot minister within the body of Christ.What is wrong with that picture? " so you give ALL of your pay…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-05:916966:Comment:11690282010-01-05T20:27:46.563Znewviewhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/newview
<i><b>" so you give ALL of your paycheck? "</b></i><br />
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Oh Noesss :-)<br />
I never said I did <i>THAT</i>all of the time...I stated what I am <i>supposed</i> to do all of the time with all of it.<br />
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And when I say give it all to Him - I dont mean give it to the man in the pulpit - I mean what ever I use it for - it should be something that glorifies God by how I spend it.<br />
Such as - paying my bills and owing no man, giving to the poor, buying only what would be necessary.<br />
And any and everything else I…
<i><b>" so you give ALL of your paycheck? "</b></i><br />
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Oh Noesss :-)<br />
I never said I did <i>THAT</i>all of the time...I stated what I am <i>supposed</i> to do all of the time with all of it.<br />
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And when I say give it all to Him - I dont mean give it to the man in the pulpit - I mean what ever I use it for - it should be something that glorifies God by how I spend it.<br />
Such as - paying my bills and owing no man, giving to the poor, buying only what would be necessary.<br />
And any and everything else I shell out I need to be asking - would Jesus be spending His money on this.<br />
Every dollar, every dime and every penny.<br />
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Am I that consciencious? No, but where there's life - there's hope.<br />
I hope to grow in perfection every day. so you give ALL of your paych…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-05:916966:Comment:11689372010-01-05T18:19:50.892ZMYBY/Moreh Yahoshua ben Yisraelhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Moreh
<b>so you give ALL of your paycheck?</b>
<b>so you give ALL of your paycheck?</b> Did you ever think your not m…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-05:916966:Comment:11689352010-01-05T18:18:52.469ZMYBY/Moreh Yahoshua ben Yisraelhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Moreh
<b>Did you ever think your not managing your money right? it is possible...<br />
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What scripture said that giving to a cause is tithing? is that scripture OR man's tradition?</b>
<b>Did you ever think your not managing your money right? it is possible...<br />
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What scripture said that giving to a cause is tithing? is that scripture OR man's tradition?</b>