"TQ" (Trivia Question) "Baptism" Can we be saved without being baptized? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T08:24:22Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/tq-trivia-question-baptism-can-we-be-saved-without-be-baptized?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A2876733&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIron sharpens iron.......
A s…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-29:916966:Comment:28767332012-01-29T06:28:32.462ZMaurice Edwardshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PastorMauriceDEdwards
<p>Iron sharpens iron.......</p>
<p>A sword or knife made of iron is sharpened by it, so butchers sharpen their knives so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend by conversation with him. Thus learned men sharpen one another's minds, and excite each other to learned studies.</p>
<p>Iron sharpens iron.......</p>
<p>A sword or knife made of iron is sharpened by it, so butchers sharpen their knives so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend by conversation with him. Thus learned men sharpen one another's minds, and excite each other to learned studies.</p> After reading the comments (s…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-28:916966:Comment:28766192012-01-28T21:18:29.627ZLovitha M, Whittington Sheltonhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/LovithaMarieWhittingtonShelto
<p>After reading the comments (so far) to this topic, I have a question: are we, the witnesses of the water baptism, to be responsible to <span id="yui_3_2_0_1_1327776247088357">love one another, be kind to one another, forbear one another in love, admonish one another, comfort one another, exhort, edify, forgive, and strengthen one another daily - through this we are serving one another?<br/></span></p>
<p>After reading the comments (so far) to this topic, I have a question: are we, the witnesses of the water baptism, to be responsible to <span id="yui_3_2_0_1_1327776247088357">love one another, be kind to one another, forbear one another in love, admonish one another, comfort one another, exhort, edify, forgive, and strengthen one another daily - through this we are serving one another?<br/></span></p> Bad, very bad comment! The fa…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-27:916966:Comment:28735632012-01-27T16:15:59.292ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p>Bad, very bad comment! The fact is that the text informs us that; the thief died and was not baptized. To say that he may is to proof text (add our meaning to the passage) and is not supported by the context of the passage itself.</p>
<p>Baptism was practiced before Jesus’ birth and remembers that John baptized Jesus! (Matt 3:13-16).</p>
<p>Bad, very bad comment! The fact is that the text informs us that; the thief died and was not baptized. To say that he may is to proof text (add our meaning to the passage) and is not supported by the context of the passage itself.</p>
<p>Baptism was practiced before Jesus’ birth and remembers that John baptized Jesus! (Matt 3:13-16).</p> In your comment on my other p…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-08:916966:Comment:28417802012-01-08T15:41:58.106ZMaurice Edwardshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PastorMauriceDEdwards
<p>In your comment on my other post you asked for a scripture reference to support my answer. When Judah admonishes Onan to go into his brother's wife, that's sexual intercource. Sexual intercource consumates a marriage. The two shall become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24)</p>
<p>In your comment on my other post you asked for a scripture reference to support my answer. When Judah admonishes Onan to go into his brother's wife, that's sexual intercource. Sexual intercource consumates a marriage. The two shall become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24)</p> Maurice, can you please elabo…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-08:916966:Comment:28414092012-01-08T05:15:25.801ZAnnahttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Marsha
<p>Maurice, can you please elaborate on your comment on Gen 38:8? Don't understand what point you were trying to make.</p>
<p>Maurice, can you please elaborate on your comment on Gen 38:8? Don't understand what point you were trying to make.</p> And Judah said unto Onan, Go…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-06:916966:Comment:28338622012-01-06T16:04:22.436ZMaurice Edwardshttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PastorMauriceDEdwards
<p>And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. Genesis 38:8</p>
<p>And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. Genesis 38:8</p> Along a similar line, at what…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-06:916966:Comment:28338572012-01-06T15:21:21.860ZAnnahttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Marsha
<p><strong>Along a similar line, at what time is a man and woman officially married before God?<br/>Once they decide to marry, does God recognize them as married, and can they before officially being married, become sexually involved with one another?</strong><br/><br/><strong>Does Biblical marriage require a "minister" to sanctify the vows between a man and a woman, or are they married in God's eyes, before the ceremony?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Along a similar line, at what time is a man and woman officially married before God?<br/>Once they decide to marry, does God recognize them as married, and can they before officially being married, become sexually involved with one another?</strong><br/><br/><strong>Does Biblical marriage require a "minister" to sanctify the vows between a man and a woman, or are they married in God's eyes, before the ceremony?</strong></p> ANTHONY: Acts 16 also give…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-06:916966:Comment:28336442012-01-06T15:06:08.015ZAnnahttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Marsha
<p>ANTHONY:<br></br> Acts 16 also give us evidence that Paul's message of the gospel included water Baptism:<br></br><br></br></p>
<p class="NPST"><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-25.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>25</b></a></span> About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. <br></br><br></br><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-26.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>26</b></a></span>Suddenly there was such a violent…</p>
<p>ANTHONY:<br/> Acts 16 also give us evidence that Paul's message of the gospel included water Baptism:<br/><br/></p>
<p class="NPST"><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-25.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>25</b></a></span> About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. <br/><br/><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-26.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>26</b></a></span>Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody’s chains came loose.<br/><br/><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-27.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>27</b></a></span>The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. <br/><br/><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-28.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>28</b></a></span>But Paul shouted, “Don’t harm yourself! We are all here!”</p>
<p class="NPST"><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-29.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>29</b></a></span>The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. <br/><br/><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-30.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>30</b></a></span>He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”</p>
<p class="NPST"><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-31.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>31</b></a></span>They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” <br/><br/><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-32.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>32</b></a></span>Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.</p>
<p class="NPST"> <span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-33.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>33</b></a></span>At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately <br/><br/><strong>***HE AND ALL HIS FAMILY WERE BAPTIZED***.</strong><br/><br/><span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/16-34.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>34</b></a></span>The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.<br/>~~~~~~~~~~~~<br/><br/><strong>So Anthony, the Biblical text gives us evidence that Baptism accompanied Paul's message of repentance and accepting Jesus as Messiah.</strong></p> Anthony:
If Paul did not t…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-06:916966:Comment:28340192012-01-06T14:56:39.351ZAnnahttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Marsha
<p><strong>Anthony:</strong></p>
<p><strong> If Paul did not teach baptism as part of his gospel message, why are these Synagogue leaders in Acts 18, being baptized after Paul's message:</strong></p>
<p class="NPST"><strong><span class="reftext">Acts 18:7<br></br> </span> Then ***Paul*** left the synagogue and went next door to the house of Titius Justus, a worshiper of God. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/18-8.htm">8</a></span>Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire…</strong></p>
<p><strong>Anthony:</strong></p>
<p><strong> If Paul did not teach baptism as part of his gospel message, why are these Synagogue leaders in Acts 18, being baptized after Paul's message:</strong></p>
<p class="NPST"><strong><span class="reftext">Acts 18:7<br/> </span> Then ***Paul*** left the synagogue and went next door to the house of Titius Justus, a worshiper of God. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/acts/18-8.htm">8</a></span>Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him ***believed and were baptized.***</strong></p> Anthony: Our Messiah made…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-01-06:916966:Comment:28340132012-01-06T14:47:53.742ZAnnahttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Marsha
<p><font size="3"><strong>Anthony:<br></br> Our Messiah made it clear in His own example and His example during His ministry, and His commission after His resurrection that Baptism was part of the Great Commission not only to the 11 disciples but to believers of all time. From Acts 2, throughout acts, baptism is a given to the new believer.</strong></font></p>
<div><p><font size="3"><strong> Whatever Paul said is irrelavant if it contradicts our Messiah's commands, and the historic…</strong></font></p>
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<p><font size="3"><strong>Anthony:<br/> Our Messiah made it clear in His own example and His example during His ministry, and His commission after His resurrection that Baptism was part of the Great Commission not only to the 11 disciples but to believers of all time. From Acts 2, throughout acts, baptism is a given to the new believer.</strong></font></p>
<div><p><font size="3"><strong> Whatever Paul said is irrelavant if it contradicts our Messiah's commands, and the historic practice of the 11/12 disciples.</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="3"><strong> Do you realize that for Paul to even enter the Temple in Jerusalem, he had to undergo a baptism/mikveh?</strong></font><font size="3"><br/><strong> Our Savior says that the "wise man builds his house upon His words". Paul's words/doctrines cannot "upstage" our Saviors! We must have two or three witnesses to establish a matter. On any subject, if there are several texts by which we can interpret it, we don't accept the obscure, one and reject the majority which are clear. <br/> The question is "whose disciple are YOU"? Paul's or Jesus'?<br/> Revelation states that the "saints keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus Christ". Baptism is part of the "faith/practice/commands of Jesus Christ". This following article should help explain why your view, Anthony is very flawed:<br/><br/></strong></font><font size="3"><strong> <em>“For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect”</em> (1 Cor. 1:17).<br/> Some have understood this passage to teach that Paul was not sent to baptize, thus baptism is not important to salvation. Others go so far as to use this verse to teach that baptism is not even part of preaching the Gospel. “Paul in fact drew a clear distinction between the preaching of the gospel and baptism when he said, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel...” 1 Cor. 1:17 (Water Baptism and Salvation: A Response to the Teaching of the Church of Christ, Keith Johnson).</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="3"><strong> In fact, <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><br/><br/>***PAUL HIMSELF WAS BAPTIZED***</span> <br/><br/>so that his sins could be washed away (Acts 22:16; 9:12). This was done at the direction of Ananias who was sent to Paul by the Lord Himself to tell Paul what he must do. <br/><br/> ***Before we investigate what Paul is trying to say in this passage, let us first observe what this verse of Scripture does not say. It does not say that Paul did not baptize. It does not say that Paul did not preach the essentiality of baptism to salvation. It does not say that Paul did not baptize lest some should think baptism was essential to salvation. It does not say the baptism is not part of the Gospel. It does not say that baptism is not essential to salvation.***</strong></font></p>
<div><strong><font size="3"> The immediate context of 1 Corinthians chapter one and verse seventeen shows the importance of baptism. The church at Corinth had several problems. The one being dealt with by Paul in this section is divisiveness. The brethren were dividing up over the preacher who had baptized them (v. 12). For this cause he thanked God that few were baptized of him, and not that a few were baptized (v. 15). “Baptism was such an important thing in the view of the early Christians that Paul congratulated himself in having baptized so few at Corinth, lest some should say that he ‘baptized in his own name’ - lest the faith and reverence due to Christ might be ‘divided’ - and a part be transferred to the distinguished administrator. How could this have been, if baptism had been a mere symbol of no vital consequence?” (J. W. Wilmarth, “Baptism and Remission,” Baptist Quarterly, July, 1877, pp. 312,313). <br/> Here we find the very roots of denominational thinking by early Christians. They were actually calling themselves disciples of those who had baptized them in water. Paul informs them of three prerequisites in order for one to call himself after another religiously (13). He asks three rhetorical questions: Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? The answers to the questions are obviously “no,” “no,” and “no.” This proves they should only call themselves after Christ in whose name they were baptized. It also shows that baptism is just as necessary to the putting on the name of Christ as Christ’s crucifixion.<br/> Part of the confusion over this verse comes from Paul’s use of an ellipsis. An ellipsis is a figure of speech where certain words which are not directly expressed are to be understood. Commonly an ellipsis comes as with a “not ...but” construction:<br/></font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="3">“Christ sent me not to baptize (only), but (also) to preach the gospel.”</font></strong></div>
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