Why is it necessary for those of us who minister to put such a cloud around ministry - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T18:21:12Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/why-is-it-necessary-for-those?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A1186592&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI never said that anything di…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11875012010-01-19T23:22:39.407ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
<b><i>I never said that anything died with anyone else I will note however that it seems interesting that this movement is prevalent among the black church and those that serve them. Not as prevalent in other churches and it seems that everybody either wants that title or is enshrouding themselves in said title. Just an observation.</i></b><br />
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You really don't understand it then, do you? The Apostolic and Prophetic movement that you presently see here is from Azuza, true, but thats not the…
<b><i>I never said that anything died with anyone else I will note however that it seems interesting that this movement is prevalent among the black church and those that serve them. Not as prevalent in other churches and it seems that everybody either wants that title or is enshrouding themselves in said title. Just an observation.</i></b><br />
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You really don't understand it then, do you? The Apostolic and Prophetic movement that you presently see here is from Azuza, true, but thats not the beginning of it. One can easily go back to the 1800's and see in Germany the move of the Apostolic; one can easily look over in China at the underground Church and realize that they have Apostles and Prophets; one can easily look at South America's revival of the Apostolic and Prophetic. Lets not even go and check the "white Church" of America, and the Middle East!<br />
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This is not a "Black Church thing". Did you ever take time to study what its about, even for the sake of examining it to find the flaws? Pat Once again:
Honestly if…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11874012010-01-19T21:51:54.965ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
Pat Once again:<br />
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Honestly if you are that offended I do apologize however i do not see where you said that I was wrong in my extrapolation, I do however see an accusation of lying, I do see where you said that I could "read your mind". With all due respect in my opinion this is a debate, regardless, Trevor has extrapolated things that I have made statements about, and I have called them "fair" because they were "fair". I have also corrected the extrapolations by detailing exactly what I was…
Pat Once again:<br />
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Honestly if you are that offended I do apologize however i do not see where you said that I was wrong in my extrapolation, I do however see an accusation of lying, I do see where you said that I could "read your mind". With all due respect in my opinion this is a debate, regardless, Trevor has extrapolated things that I have made statements about, and I have called them "fair" because they were "fair". I have also corrected the extrapolations by detailing exactly what I was attempting to say. That done, I did not whine, I did not obfuscate. With all due respect if this is how you react in cyberspace I fear for how you react when questioned IRL (In Real Life) Pat
I am not the one who sta…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11873992010-01-19T21:51:21.887ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
Pat<br />
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I am not the one who stated that I was "theology deep" your boy Trevor did that. I never said I would go there, he implied that he would
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I am not the one who stated that I was "theology deep" your boy Trevor did that. I never said I would go there, he implied that he would Don't take my word for it, he…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11873952010-01-19T21:49:11.735ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
Don't take my word for it, here are some references for you:<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_church" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_church</a><br />
<a href="http://www.blackandchristian.com/blackchurch/" target="_blank">http://www.blackandchristian.com/blackchurch/</a>
Don't take my word for it, here are some references for you:<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_church" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_church</a><br />
<a href="http://www.blackandchristian.com/blackchurch/" target="_blank">http://www.blackandchristian.com/blackchurch/</a> Trevor,
Jonathan's tactic se…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11872462010-01-19T19:22:47.268ZChaplain Pat Harrishttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ChaplainPatHarris
Trevor,<br />
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Jonathan's tactic seems familiar - more like dodge ball.<br />
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You ask him where he's going and he'll tell you where he's been, and THEN, he'll tell turn around and YOU where you've been and where YOU are heading.<br />
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Like you, I'm waiting on him to get "theology deep."<br />
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Now, watch Mr. Anthony respond by twisting what I stated above as if I didn't know what I was really trying to say.
Trevor,<br />
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Jonathan's tactic seems familiar - more like dodge ball.<br />
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You ask him where he's going and he'll tell you where he's been, and THEN, he'll tell turn around and YOU where you've been and where YOU are heading.<br />
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Like you, I'm waiting on him to get "theology deep."<br />
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Now, watch Mr. Anthony respond by twisting what I stated above as if I didn't know what I was really trying to say. That would require developing…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11872372010-01-19T19:15:41.963ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
That would require developing some type of friendship even on a peripheral basis. Once again, if that is not your intent, why waste time?
That would require developing some type of friendship even on a peripheral basis. Once again, if that is not your intent, why waste time? Pat
Honestly if you are that…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11872362010-01-19T19:14:21.249ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
Pat<br />
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Honestly if you are that offended I do apologize however i do not see where you said that I was wrong in my extrapolation, I do however see an accusation of lying, I do see where you said that I could "read your mind". With all due respect in my opinion this is a debate, regardless, Trevor has extrapolated things that I have made statements about, and I have called them "fair" because they were "fair". I have also corrected the extrapolations by detailing exactly what I was attempting to…
Pat<br />
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Honestly if you are that offended I do apologize however i do not see where you said that I was wrong in my extrapolation, I do however see an accusation of lying, I do see where you said that I could "read your mind". With all due respect in my opinion this is a debate, regardless, Trevor has extrapolated things that I have made statements about, and I have called them "fair" because they were "fair". I have also corrected the extrapolations by detailing exactly what I was attempting to say. That done, I did not whine, I did not obfuscate. With all due respect if this is how you react in cyberspace I fear for how you react when questioned IRL (In Real Life) I never said that anything di…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11872312010-01-19T19:09:41.242ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
I never said that anything died with anyone else I will note however that it seems interesting that this movement is prevelant among the black church and those that serve them.. Not as prevalent in other churches and it seems that everybody either wants that title or is enshrouding themselves in said title. Just an observation.<br />
Kiddie pool? actually I don't swim, I prefer long distance driving
I never said that anything died with anyone else I will note however that it seems interesting that this movement is prevelant among the black church and those that serve them.. Not as prevalent in other churches and it seems that everybody either wants that title or is enshrouding themselves in said title. Just an observation.<br />
Kiddie pool? actually I don't swim, I prefer long distance driving Black Church, is defined by m…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11872292010-01-19T19:07:33.568ZJonathan Anthonyhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JonathanAnthony
Black Church, is defined by me as a church were the pastor, the majority of the members if not the entire membership is made up of black folks. Secondly it is a church that has the first facet mentioned but to that adds a realm of tradition that is not met in most other churches. Because of this most black churches are often rooted in tradition, and unable to break free of same due to ministerial constraints. ergo the question asked....
Black Church, is defined by me as a church were the pastor, the majority of the members if not the entire membership is made up of black folks. Secondly it is a church that has the first facet mentioned but to that adds a realm of tradition that is not met in most other churches. Because of this most black churches are often rooted in tradition, and unable to break free of same due to ministerial constraints. ergo the question asked.... Jonathan,
If you didn't agre…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-01-19:916966:Comment:11872282010-01-19T19:06:55.649ZChaplain Pat Harrishttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ChaplainPatHarris
Jonathan,<br />
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If you didn't agree with my comments, all you had to say was "I disagree."<br />
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It is as simple as that. Instead, you tried for force feed your extrapolation down my throat as if I was a child who didn't know how to talk.<br />
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Why don't you climb down off of your ivory tower and just be real.<br />
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I joined this network for the purpose of sharing and receiving, and thus far, with exception of this fruitless debate, I have learned more than I have shared, and for that I am thankful to God for the…
Jonathan,<br />
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If you didn't agree with my comments, all you had to say was "I disagree."<br />
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It is as simple as that. Instead, you tried for force feed your extrapolation down my throat as if I was a child who didn't know how to talk.<br />
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Why don't you climb down off of your ivory tower and just be real.<br />
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I joined this network for the purpose of sharing and receiving, and thus far, with exception of this fruitless debate, I have learned more than I have shared, and for that I am thankful to God for the people He has connected to me.<br />
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With that said, your arrogant attitude shall not hinder my growth and fellowship with others who are respectful and Christ-like.<br />
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You are who you are, and whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.