Would You As Pastor allow Homosexuals To Frolic In Your Church?

Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages". It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing. The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?
You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period. So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!! What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary. God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?
As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!
You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong. As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from.

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Hello I am back! Its hapenning!! More approvals from all over the world. Hahaha! The end times will be full of comedy. The Ugandans want to shoot the homos. Which is a step too insane. Violence has never solved a problem on planet earth. The church should stand up and insist on what is right. The church's complacency has led to many of the current insanity we see in society. It wasnt like that in the 19th century. why? cos the church was active and Godfearing. Today's church is full of the World, Fornication and adultery, homosexuality, Greed, galore. No God, no Holy Ghost, no Christ, no Faith. Just social instituttions. Just business houses, just voodoo palaces!! Hello. anyone Loves the Lord? God will clean house before He deals with the world.Its coming!!!Brace for it.
I know this is late but I would like to respond

"Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages"."

Good marriage is not a church issue but a civil rights issue.

" It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing."

Hmm so what happens if a couple gets married past the reproduction years? What if a couple decides not to have children? What if a couple can not have children?

"The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?"

Actually there are studies of homosexual animals in the wild. There is even a story and a study done on two male penguins raising orphaned baby penguins.


"You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period."

Why are so many straight folks so concerned about the sex lives of gay men? They don't seem concerned about their well being just who they choose to have sex with. The truth is that homosexuality just like heterosexuality is not all about sex. And yet straight folks like you are overconcerned about gay sex.


"So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!!"

No nothing is wrong upstairs with them, God made no mistakes. Our gay brothers didn't choose to be gay. No one chooses their sexual orientation, be we straight or gay.

"What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary"

The purpose of same sex marriage serves the same purpose as heterosexual marriage; they love their partners.

"God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?"

Did a homosexual tell you this?


"As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!"

Yeah you have some internal issues with sexuality. What you are talking about is not right sir at all. I gurantee you have closeted gay folks in church. No doubt.

"You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong."

Yeah you are not displaying much love.


"As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from."

Wow yeah, your issues with homosexuality has nothing to do with God, it is all you and society's negative views.
IT IS SIN PLAIN AND SIMPLE. GOD HATES SIN. WILL TWO HOMOS BE RAPTURED IN THE MIDST OF THIS ACT? YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH GOD HATES SIN AND YOU WOULD NOT BE DEFENDING IT.

PEDOPHILES CAN'T HELP THEIR ATTRACTION TO CHILDREN. SO SHOULD WE JUST ALLOW THEM TO RAPE AND MOLEST CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY WERE BORN THIS WAY?
Pedophilia has nothing to do with sexual orientation and there are three: heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality. The problem we have EW is that the scriptures that we have used to condemn the homosexual have not been used in their proper context.
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


Please expound on this scripture.

Also, many homos are pedophiles. They rape and molest little boys so it has everything to do with sex. It is all perverted.
Yeah do you follow every part of the law? Do you also understand that this has nothing to do with homosexuality but religious sexual practices? Nope. Yeah there are many pedophiles that are heterosexual is heterosexuality perverted?
Lets get down to the raw: are you saying that GOD has sanctioned homosexuality in the OT and the NT times? Lay it out plain and simple, and show scripture to prove this, because there are plenty of scripture to prove otherwise Mr. Palmer. I believe that I had this argument with you before on another network (Myspace), and you proved to be an embarrassment there. Lets see if the same will be here as well..
lol

The question is are the scriptures saying what you are saying. Yeah you are the same apostle, no embarrassment on my part. It truly is the same ole tired debate. Bring the same clobber scriptures out.
Yes the debate is tired because you have no scriptures for the brotha. You have refused to acknowledge homosexuality as sin. Though some are born this way it's still sin. The bible said we were all born in sin right?

Some become homos after long stretches in jail or being raped as a small child by a homosexual. I know many men personally, some even in my family who were perfectly normal and then some homosexual raped and violated them when they were little boys and messed them up for life. One of my cousins was raped by one of these homosexual men that you esteem and praise so highly and now he is damaged for life. And yes I do love him. It still won't change the facts of what has happened to him.

A homo raped him and now his desires have turned towards men because of what happened to him as a CHILD. You people want to defend this madness and brush aside the fact that others get hurt by them. I am so tired of you all saying heterosexuals rape too. Yes this may be so but we are not talking about heteros but the harm and crimes committed by homos.

No one defends and upholds the maliciousness of a hetero criminal but everyone whats to approve and dismiss the stink nature and malicious crimes of the gays. So it seems that people like you want all the hetero criminals in jail for raping and violating little girls but the gays and homos get a free pass to continue raping little boys. This is a travesty and they have enablers like you promoting homosexuality as a healthy lifestyle.

This makes God sick just like all other sins. The Lord says sin stinks in his nostrils but to you homosexuality is scented with rosebuds. How dare you chop up the scriptures for the sake of self. God is not mocked whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.
"Yes the debate is tired because you have no scriptures for the brotha. You have refused to acknowledge homosexuality as sin."

Actually I use the scriptures that we have traditionally used to condemn the homosexual.

"Though some are born this way it's still sin."

So they didn't choose who they were attracted to romantically and sexually?

"The bible said we were all born in sin right?"

Right so does that mean that heterosexuality is demeaned as well?

"Some become homos after long stretches in jail or being raped as a small child by a homosexual. I know many men personally, some even in my family who were perfectly normal and then some homosexual raped and violated them when they were little boys and messed them up for life."

Sexual abuse is terrible but one has nothing to do with the other. Women both straight and lesbian sexually abuse as well,

"One of my cousins was raped by one of these homosexual men that you esteem and praise so highly and now he is damaged for life. And yes I do love him. It still won't change the facts of what has happened to him."

Sometimes rape has nothing to do with the victim's sexual orientation and sometimes it does. We don't have all the science or the facts of homosexuality or sexual orientation. We do know however that no one chooses their sexual orientation but we do choose to act upon our attractions.

"A homo raped him and now his desires have turned towards men because of what happened to him as a CHILD. You people want to defend this madness and brush aside the fact that others get hurt by them. I am so tired of you all saying heterosexuals rape too. Yes this may be so but we are not talking about heteros but the harm and crimes committed by homos."

You don't see the irrationality in your words? You demean homosexuality because of rape but not heterosexuality? What if we replaced the word homos with niggers. Well someone already has:

"Why Did God Create Niggers?

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I mean why? Did he forget to make them equal? Did he forget to flush the toilet? Is it their destiny to be human 456,000 years from now? Why did God create niggers seriously? What's a world without niggers? Are we destined to eliminate them all? I'm 21 years old, and I wish we would be done with niggers in my lifetime. If God made them so we can bash them and exploit them with every breath,how come some cowards too scared to admit it? I know fleshly desires seek to own the beast and control it but when will be the day we just stop the silly games and be done with them? Is that what God wants us to do or what? I know for a fact that we shouldn't deprive ourselves from the pleasure that comes when you can sinserely accept and realise the mighty blessings we humans have over it. Perhaps that's the purpose of the beast? To remind us of how blessed we are? I know damn well how easy it is to be like a beast. I'll rather experience the pains of being a man though. xxxx niggerlovers and the lagging of evolution they have caused. = ) !"
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98129

It is not the same to you? The same irrational views about other humans.

"No one defends and upholds the maliciousness of a hetero criminal but everyone whats to approve and dismiss the stink nature and malicious crimes of the gays."

You paint all gays with a negative brush, do you see that?

"So it seems that people like you want all the hetero criminals in jail for raping and violating little girls but the gays and homos get a free pass to continue raping little boys."

That is silly. Crime is crime but sister there are plenty of gay folk that are outstanding citizens, come on get real.

"This is a travesty and they have enablers like you promoting homosexuality as a healthy lifestyle."

The only unhealthy part about it is living in a community, attending a church and being in a family that truly don't want you and constantly demean you.

"This makes God sick just like all other sins. The Lord says sin stinks in his nostrils but to you homosexuality is scented with rosebuds. How dare you chop up the scriptures for the sake of self. God is not mocked whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap."

Yeah God is truly saddened about how His Word has been used to carry the weight of man's hate.
The bible says when a man finds a wife he finds a Good thing. He didn't say when a man finds a husband. What scripture can you provide where God ordains two men having anal sex with each other.

You already know the answer to your question. A man and a woman creating a baby in the bonds of marriage is not perverted. Any sexual sin out of the sanctity of Holiness AND God's marriage is perverted, whether homosexuality, fornication or adultery.

You all want to skate around the scriptures rather than acknowledging that you are out of fellowship with God. Please understand that God's word is the same yesterday, today and forever. It hurts your ears to hear the truth but it is what it is.

You all have perverted the gospel of Christ when you try to say that the Lord is okay with two men sleeping together. That is filthy and you know it. You all try to say that a union between a man and a woman is no different than your relationship with a man but you know it is. Can you give birth to a baby out of your rear. No because this was not God's plan but your own lust.

You have no real scriptural bases for condoning homosexuality so you all try to attack the Male and Female relationship as though it is something out of the ordinary. Same sex unions WILL NEVER BE RIGHT NO MATTER HOW MANY LAWS ARE PASSED. These laws won't matter in hell to those who don't repent because the Lord has the last say not the Supreme Court. I can't believe so many of you Ministers are supporting this.

ARE YOU A HOMOSEXUAL MINISTER GERALD PALMER?
"You have no real scriptural bases"

Neither do you.

You continue to focus on sex and especially man with man sex. Our gay brothers have it rough when it comes to the black church and the black community. They did not choose to be gay. I wish you could really see the harm you cause.

Now am I gay? No I am not. I have seen to many lgbt brothers and sisters tossed away like trash, talked about like trash and all in the name of Jesus Christ.

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