Would You As Pastor allow Homosexuals To Frolic In Your Church?

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages". It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing. The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?
You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period. So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!! What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary. God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?
As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!
You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong. As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from.

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

Thanks for your comments, sister. Thats what I call throwing cheap shots. When a boxer is running out of options during a fight, they start hitting below the belt becos he cant concentrate anymore. There were a lot of women leaders even in the Old Testament days, Deborah for example. The Bible says in christ there is NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. In Heaven there will be neither male nor female. We will be like the Angels: sexless. Our present design is good only for planet earth, so we can reproduce. Thats all. When we die we leave this present body behind. Thats why when some people believe that if they bomb themselves and kill others they will go to heaven and inherit 72 virgins, I tell them "Dont forget to also take along a truck load of viagra. You mon need it" HA haha! When the Lord was laid to rest, the first people to arrive at His tomb on the third day were the women who followed Him, Mary Magdalene, all the men were AWOL, hiding. Peter said: "I am going afishing", apparently he never sold his boat all this time that he was the Lord's deciple.The women brought the news : He is risen: That was a powerful sermon. And a woman first preached it.Stay blessed.

[Lester Demings Jr]

"The Bible says in christ there is NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE."

If this is the case WHY do you hate homosexuals so much???
How can you take this scripture and twist it to fit our hypocritical minds?
This scripture has NOTHING to do with leadership in the church it has to do with salvation.
Don't twist scripture to prove one thing then try to exclude other things.

[Lester Demings Jr]

"There are no scriptures that state that only men are call to be leaders, yet individuals want “proof” that women are ordained to do so."

If this is the case where is the scripture that says women can be pastor or bishop in the church?
Your friend Andy (the hypocritical genius himself) said that we need to get back to the Bible and do what the Word sats so how about we do that?
Show me where the Bible has stated in clear words that women are to be pastors and.or bishops?
If you cannot then this means you are out of order and if you are out of order you are being disobedient and disobedience is sin.

"If God did not want women in leadership positions or to write the vision, I believe He is strong enough and bold enough to correct us (women). Women were not intended to be single mothers (the leader in their home)…but I don’t read any comments where leaders (males) are addressing how women should not have to raise their children by themselves."

This is a WEAK and very RIDICULOUS statement to make. God doesn't like murder either but He hasn't moved His hand to prevent those either. So that statement was weak, very weak and that is being nice about it. Being a single mother has NOTHING to do with the house of God- absolutely nothing so that statement as well is bogus.
I ALWAYS speak on men who do not take their place as the father in their homes however who chooses these men?
The women who has their children so again your argument is weak.
Lastly, I am yet waiting for a scripture to prove that women can be pastors and/or bishops.
If we are going to follow the Word for one thing we got to follow it for ALL things.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Traditional Hebrew teaches that Miriam was in a leadership position that rivaled that of Aaron the High Priest/Prophet, directly under the man of GOD Moses himself. Deborah was Judge over all of Israel in the office that Moses and Joshua left behind for all the top Judges to hold (Judges 4:4). The book of Acts even mentions leading elder women in the Synagogue amongst the Jews. Romans 16 was dedicated to saluting the ministers Paul worked with, mostly mentioning women. Chloe in 1st Corinthians 1 was the leader of a church/house that Paul planted.

Need I go on? I can easily do so!!

[John]

Please do Brother Trevor and show where it said they were preachers and not prophetess in the Church. Thanks in advance. God bless.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

A preacher is a proclaim of the Gospel of JESUS, and we clearly see that in John 4 the Samaritan woman did that very well, being a great Evangelist for her town. We see that Mary Magdalene did that very well on the first Sunday of HIS resurrection, being the first Evangelist to preach the Gospel of JESUS. We see, however, that the Prophetess is very much so also present in the NT Church (1st Corinthians 11), and prophecy came not but for EDIFICATION (to teach) exhortation, and comfort (1st Corinthians 14). We see that Peter quote Joel saying your sons and daughter prophesied, clearly showing that women were out there openly speaking the Prophetic and EDUCATIONAL Word of GOD to all men that would hear.

[John]

I appreciate your response Brother Trevor. I don't get what you get but it doesn't mean you aren't correct, I'm just stating I dont' get that message. I know that the Samaritans were not allowed to mix with the Jews as some sort of outcast to the Jews. What I got is that she wasn't an evangelist but simply told the others that she felt the Messias was here because He told her everything she had ever done. It was Jesus I thought that taught them for a couple of days.

Nor do I get that Mary Magdalene was an evangelist but simply told the Apostles she had seen the risen Saviour.

Now I guess I have to do more studying because I thought that Prophets and Prophetess simply (not taking anything from that for sure) prophesied meaning gave visions that God gave them to tell others somewhat like the human version of angels as messengers. I didn't realize that prophesying was the same as preaching. Thank you and as I said I will re-study this. God bless.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I never said that Prophet(ess)s simply prophesied (no, they do MUCH MUCH MORE than that), nor did I say that preaching was the same as prophesying. Two totally different things. Preaching is for converting to the faith, while prophetic utterances are for edification, exhortation and comfort.

Now, as far as the Women, what exactly are Evangelists? literally "Proclaimers of the Good News", correct? Well, what did they do? By your own words "What I got is she.....simply told the others that she felt the Messiah was here because He told her everything she had ever done". You also said Mary Madelene "simply told the Apostles she had seen the risen Savior." This stuff that people do at pulpits especially the whoopin and hollering) is not preaching, for preaching the Gospel is to be to the lost, NOT THE SAVED. These ladies presented their LORD to people who needed to hear about Him. The work of an Evangelist was done.

[John]

You misunderstood me this time. I never said that "you said". That was my statement! My idea of preaching is spreading and teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Word and to me just to me, just saying that the Messiah is here is not preaching the gospel. Now I do disagree that preaching the gospel is only to the lost because we that are saved need to hear the word constantly also because none of us will ever get it all because It's the Living Word and not some dead words. Once again I have to disagree with some whoopin and hollering as you call it LOL is not preaching because if the Word is being whoopin and hollered then it's being preached. Now if name is whoopin and hollering his own words then no it's not being preached. I'm not saying you have to whoop and holler to deliver the word and I know that some are taught that but I won't criticize them if it's the Word they are preaching and also not false doctrines. As stated I do appreciate you insight. Thanks.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I don't agree with some (most actually) of what you said, but its not bad enough for me to challenge really tonight. Be blessed either way!

[John]

It's all ok Trevor if we agree to disagree still in love my Brother. None of us will agree on everything and I don't espect that. Thanks for your words.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Technically speaking, there's no such thing as "agreeing to disagree" in the Kingdom.