Would You As Pastor allow Homosexuals To Frolic In Your Church?

Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages". It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing. The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?
You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period. So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!! What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary. God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?
As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!
You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong. As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from.

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Talking about frolicing in the church, I didnt know abortion Doctors go to church in any form or shape. I have always viewed the abortion doc as a person who lacks belief in the soul and spirit of man. One who believes in that British acoholic : Charles Darwin and his evolution theories. I just read that an abortion doc has been shot dead in Kansas, AND HE WAS AT CHURCH SERVING AS AN USHER!!. If he was a late term abortion doc, I would expect that he will be in a pub, strip club or crack house, but no. He was in the church!! You wonder what kind of sermons he has been hearing and what type of spirit operates in this church if any at all.
This is a classical example of how the church today has lost its credubilty becos of the planned, orchestrated and well-executed machination of the devil to infiltrate and weaken the church with preachers who are better off carrying latrine!
Though I beleive that abortion doctors are among the most dispicable, inhumane, heartless murderers of our times, why? Becuase abortion is worse than murder: the victims are trapped, they cant run or dial 911, they are the most helpless of victims waiting to be slaughter on the altar of greed.The doctor has no heart or has the heart and soul of a beast! Would you be here if your mom had gone to see an abortion hitman when you were in her abdomen? Can they ever stop to reflect or put themselves in the place of their victims. No!! It is as if they dropped from the sky, never born through the birth canal like the baby they are slaughtering. I wish God's judgment upon the abortion doctors, I wish them worse pain than they cause innocent childrern, but do I support the murder of this slobs? No, reason: When you kill one stupid slob, you merely increase the clientelle of the other. Dont waste your energy engaging in such futile attempts, lets fight them the using the same tools the used to gain statutory support.
Lord have mercy on the human race. Insanity is spreading like wildfire. Light is becoming darkness and darkness light, where ever you go. I edge christians to start making heartfelt decisions. Are you the Lord's or just hanging around to see what happens? Many of us dont believe the Word. But we sort off hang around, just in case it turns out true. A few of us have the "luck" of having encountered more than meets the eye, so we have no doubts. However, increasingly, time is running out. You need to decide to be on the side of the Lord or just check out, fencing will be an extreme disadvantage.
At the funeral of the murdered abortion doc it is reported in the news " A large portrait of Tiller hung at the front of the CHURCH (capitals mine) and a wreath of flowers bore the words "TRUST IN WOMEN"
Ha ha ha! A fallen generation of humans who despise God and his Word will always find substitutes. Trust women for deciding to kill their babies?!!! Any idiotic woman who does not understand that aytime they spread their thunder legs, they are asking for a baby have no credubility to be trusted.!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are insane daughters of Ibliss the devil!! How about trust God? This is all because sex is being portrayed primarily as a form of entertainment, so that when pregnancy occurrs, the woman starts to wonder what went wrong. Sex is no entertainment, has never been and will never be. Your media and the Sexual Revolution peddled a lie many years ago, and now society is paying the price. Your children and children's children will continue to pay the price for allowing the degeneration of christian values until the end or , if you are lucky, until God raises men of valor to restore spiritual health into this nation.
The word "church" these days can mean anything from a bunch of taliban to a homosexual orgy or a bunch of Reverend Jetplane Jacks seeking financial wellbeing to the plain ignorant who will believe anything thrown at them from the pulpit if the person throwiung has a medival cassock and a hat as high as the Empire state building and a name high-flowing than that of Jesus. The church is a disgrace to the Lord's name. I am ashamed on behalf of all those pastors who are engaged in a sellout compromise with the world and satan. Shame, partner, review yor life and do right otherwise remember, many are called but few are chosen. Are you chosen?
Homosexualist Anarchists Storm Michigan Church During Sunday Service -

LANSING, MI, November 11, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - On Sunday, November 9, a band of about 30 homosexuals stormed a church in Lansing, Michigan. Some were well dressed and were stationed inside Mount Hope Church, where they pretended to be normal Sunday worshippers; others were outside dressed in pink and black.

The group of self-described homosexual anarchists, Bash Back!, claims the evangelical church is guilty of “transphobia and homophobia.” The group says that it fights for "liberation," opposes "all forms of state power," and urges members not to condemn certain methods of promoting their cause "on the grounds that the State deems it to be illegal."

During the service the protesters outside the church were beating on buckets, shouting “Jesus was a homo” on a megaphone and carrying an upside-down pink cross. They distributed fliers to passersby.

When the signal was given the protesters inside the church rose from their seats and began loudly to disrupt the service. The fire alarm was pulled inside the church, protesters stormed the pulpit and a huge rainbow-colored flag was unfurled with the inscription, “IT’S OKAY TO BE GAY! BASH BACK!”

The church was vandalized, obscenities were shouted and worshippers were confronted. According to Right Michigan the protestors in their demonstration also used condoms, glitter, confetti, and pink fabric. A video camera wielded by the homosexualists attempted to capture violent reactions from members of the congregation, of which there were none. Right Michigan also reports that approximately an hour after the demonstration two of the demonstrators were found by security in a public restroom in the church together. There were no arrests.

Bash Back! issued a press release on their website after the fact, which admitted that “the group was extremely loud and wildly offensive.” The group described Mount Hope Church as “deplorable” and “anti-queer.”

The release concluded, “Let it be known: So long as bigots kill us in the streets, this pack of wolves will continue to BASH BACK!”

Catholic League president Bill Donohue today responded, saying, “The real story here is the refusal of the mainstream media to cover what is surely one of the most disturbing events of 2008. If an organized group of gay bashers stormed a gay church, there is not a single sentient person in the United States who wouldn’t know about it.

“This is urban fascism come to America’s heartland. It must be quickly stopped before it gets out of control. We are contacting Mike Cox, the Attorney General of Michigan, calling for an investigation.”

Bash Back!’s actions in Michigan follow several days of homosexualist demonstrations outside California churches, protesting the passage of Proposition 8.

I saw this a long time ago. The Lord revealed things to me that I didnt want to mention for fear i would be thought off as insane, false or even called a psychic. This event obviously happened before I put out this posting. Worse is yet to follow. We are heading for a time when evil will rise up against all that is Godly. The earthly powers, increasingly falling down under the domination of Ibliss, the Foul One, Satan, will crush the church in favor of homosexuals. I heard one of these foul creatures bosting on National Radio after the state of Carlifornia voted to overturn the right to gay marriages. This son of shit said boldly on NPR: we know it just a matter of time that we will win in all the states. who ever thought a state like Iowa will vote in our favor? It is the older generation that is still holding us back but many young Americans do not think anything wrong with gay marriages". The son of shit was right. The reason is becos the young american grew up in an age where the rotten men were vigorously propagating their agenda, at the same time the church was complascent. To the extent where the devil managed to sponsor his agenda in the dammed Episcopal Church, the most disgraceful thing that ever happened to the church since the Inquisition.
This is just the begining, worse is yet to come. All I want to tell you if you are a true child of God is stand for the Lord until death. DONT GIVE IN TO HUMAN GABBAGE!! Dont be afraid of death. Stand for the truth.They will come attacking in the droves. But remember greater is He who is in us.... Physical violence wont cut it, but the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty to the pulling down of strongholds. Sometimes I wish the weapons are carnal, but thats the human nature, the battle is the Lord's.
I think it is very important to preach the gospel of Christ. This sin is obviously not acceptable therefore needs to be addressed. Your use of the word frolic describes them as being totally loose, proud and unrepentant of their sin, gives a clear reason to silence or remove the behavior.

Homosexuality and any sexual sin for that matter carries a certain spirit with the person that continues in it. This is why it needs to be dealt with by sound teaching from leadership.
Read the following:

I'd like to speak to this issue in 4 parts.

Part One - Hypocrisy:

If Christians were honest, they would admit that they do not abide by all the commandments of scripture themselves. I don't mean we try and fail. I mean we deliberately choose to ignore scriptures that are not convenient for our lifestyle. As I pointed out in my post yesterday, the amount of scripture that is ignored, scorned, and abused by modern Christians is appalling.

I think we should afford our homosexual brothers and sisters the same luxury. Perhaps we should offer them space at our bonfire to burn their little handful of scriptures as we burn the bible chapter and verse.

We should all agree that none of us are able or willing to follow all the teachings of scripture. Let the one who is obeying God's word ask for explanations from others.

In my book, that settles the argument, and there is no reason to go further. However, if you are determined to hold homosexuals to a higher standard, demanding detailed explanations of why they do not obey minor parts of the bible while all of Christendom tramples on the very heart of scripture, move on to part two:

Part Two - The Bible and homosexuality:

(I’m indebted to my new friend B. in Dallas for these thoughts)
The bible never addresses the subject of homosexuality. The idea of sexual identity was not a part of human thought until very recently. The bible addresses some specific homosexual acts in very specific contexts.

The idea of two people in a loving, committed homosexual relationship was not understood in the ancient Hebrew world and is not a subject in the bible.

Very credible biblical scholars treat the passages in question as specific commands against specific acts, and not as a wholesale prohibition on a homosexual orientation.

For many people, understanding this obvious limitation of the bible is all that is needed. The bible does not address the broad subject of sexual orientation because it was written before that was an issue. Any specific condemnation of homosexual acts must be seen as just that – a specific condemnation of an act in a specific context.

However, if that sounds too wishy-washy to you, if it sounds too slippery and subjective, let me now speak to all 6 of the passages in the bible that are thought by some people to address the issue of homosexuality.

Part Three – Exegesis

There are exactly 6 scriptures that are thought to address homosexuality. I’ll either quote the passage or provide a link so that you can read it.

The story of the destruction of Sodom – Genesis 19:1-29. If you read this story, you’ll quickly see that the men of the city of Sodom wanted to commit a brutal, homosexual rape (is there any other kind?). We simply cannot condemn a sexual orientation because of a rape. There is a heterosexual rape described in the next passage we will examine together. Shall we condemn heterosexuality because of this rape?

Any reasonable person will understand that this passage has nothing to say about loving, consensual homosexual relationships.

Judges 19:1-30 is a sad story of human evil of the type that are often recounted in scripture. It is basically a retelling of the Sodom story in a different context. This time, however, the men actually did rape a woman. This passage speaks to the need for God's love in a brutal world. It has no bearing on the question of homosexual orientation for the same reason that the Sodom story is not applicable. Both of these stories condemn ignorance and sexual brutality, but not homosexuality.

Texts 3 and 4 are both in Leviticus and make up a part of the Old Testament Levitical code.

Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”

Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

The code of rules and behaviors in Leviticus does not apply to Christians. No Christian group I know demands full compliance with this ancient code of behavior. If we did we would have to keep kosher laws. We don’t even demand compliance with the sexual rules in Leviticus. If we did, we would allow polygamy, which is lawful in Leviticus. Unless you are prepared to obey all the rules in Leviticus, you cannot blame the homosexual for not feeling bound to obey them. To point to these two verses and demand selective compliance is ludicrous.

The Old Testament really has nothing specific to say to Christians about homosexuality. We turn now to the New Testament.

Jesus had nothing to say on the subject of homosexuality. His absence of comment does not support or condemn homosexuality. As I’ve noted, the idea of sexual orientation was not a part of human thinking. It’s not surprising that Jesus never addressed what was not an issue.

Paul discusses specific homosexual acts twice. These passages are the only two times homosexual behavior is mentioned in the New Testament.

I Corinthians 6:9 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders”

Male prostitutes and homosexual offenders. Can someone explain to me why we would condemn an entire orientation because of the prohibition of these specific acts?

The Greek words Paul used in this passage include the word for a young, effeminate male prostitute and the word for the older man who paid to have sex with him.

We can acknowledge that the bible condemns prostitution and a system where a younger man makes his living committing sex acts for money with older men. But we cannot condemn homosexuality in general because homosexual prostitution was condemned.

Paul condemns many heterosexual acts in his writings, even in this very verse, yet we do not condemn heterosexuality.

Romans 1:18-29 is the single most important passage dealing with homosexual acts. It is the one most often quoted and it is clearly the closest thing we find to condemnation. Verse 27 is the most specific verse.

I simply ask you to read this entire passage with an open mind. Paul says that those who reject God will be “given over to a shameful lusts”. They will engage in many acts that are not pleasing to God. Men will “burn with lust for one another” (verse 27)

I have seen sexuality perverted and used for evil in many contexts. The faithful and monogamous homosexuals that I know do not burn with lust for other men. They express their sexuality with each other, just as married heterosexuals do.

I don’t know exactly what Paul meant by this passage. I know he was describing people who chose not to worship God and then "burned with lust for other men." I don't know exactly what he meant, but I know this DOES NOT describe the homosexual Christians I know, who love God with great passion and are quietly committed to each other.

Part Four – Conclusion

Those are the 6 passages in the bible that are thought to address the subject of homosexuality. The Old Testament passages amount to nothing and the two New Testament passages are ambiguous at best and highly open to interpretation.

I do not think the bible teaches that every expression of homosexual love is sinful. The scriptural witness on this subject is shaky at best.

Even if you do not buy my claim that we have no right to demand specific explanation of scriptures from homosexuals since we don’t provide similar explanations for the hundreds of passages we blatantly ignore…

Even if you do not agree that the Bible never really addresses the subject of homosexuality as a sexual orientation…

Even if you reject my biblical analysis and decide that the bible is condemning of homosexuals…

Would you at least agree that the passages are ambiguous and open to many interpretations? Would you at least agree that others may responsibly interpret them and not agree with you?

If you could at least acknowledge that scripture is far from clear on this subject, then perhaps you would be willing to err on the side of compassion. Perhaps you would be willing to open your churches to our homosexual brothers and sisters, trusting them to read the bible just as you do, with love and hoping for Grace from God.

from: http://blogs.salon.com/0001772/thebibleandhomosexuality.html
You are stupid! Shame on you for calling yourself a pastor. You have a rebrobate mind and under a curse. PUT the Bible aside? Tell me Mr man of God What is the purpose of a homosexual marriage. Is the anus a sexual organ? Try as you can to bend scripture you know that the homosexual lifestyle doesnt sink in well with any culture. So you believe homosexuality was created by God? How insane can you be? Since when did God loose His ability to create normal people. You quoting the ideas of psychologists over that of scripture, yeah that is what every modern man with a sin that they delight in does." God made me so" Did God create the murderer a muderer?, the thief a thief? the drunkard a drunkard? Why will you homosexuals believe you are the only ones God actually created for sin?How about people whose sexual orientation is towards animals, beastiality, how about people whose sexual orientation is towards minors? child molestors? How about people whose sexual orientation is towards dead bodies, necromancy? Which bible are you reading? Obviously the one that states that " in the beginning God created Adam and Steve..." Shame on you my brother. Just repent.
Amen brother, I have read so many post here on BPN where people are condoning this lewd sinful behavior in the name of Love. No one has stated that we hate homosexuals but that it is sin. As I stated before Homosexuals are the only group that are trying to get laws passed to force everyone to except their sinful behaviors.

You don't fornicators or adulterers or even pedophiles for that matter, flooding courts with petitions to have their behavior legalized.
Amen Brother Luckett, it is unfortunate that many are afraid to tell others the truth about any sin. It is out of love that we all must speak the truth. One of my husband's best friends is an assistant pastor at a Detroit church and has a sister that is a lesbian and proud of it. She threatened to kill herself if the family didn't except her lover so they invited both of them to dinner. During dinner, one of the children (a small child) pointed to a logo on the back of the girlfriends jeans and The lesbian aunt said "Um Um boy, that's mine right there, you can't have that. She was just joking but the child's parents were livid at how bold she was with that statement.

Yet, they still say that she is saved because God saved her when she was 11 years old and filled her with the holyghost. Her lesbian lifestyle began in college and they allow her to feel that she is okay with God still. They say she is still blessed of God regardless to her lesbianism.

All I know is what the scripture says. Amen
You too brother, be blessed and keep on preaching the truth.
Your comments are well spoken for a demon or a demonic like spirit. We can deduce from your essay that you are gay guy are have gay tendency. Let me help you with your confusion about God's position on homosexuals.. Let’s examine 1 Cor 6:9-10

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” KJV

In this verse there are very specific condemnations. First Pastor who are the unrighteous that shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Well it goes on to tell us “be not deceived” this stipulates that if you are the one who is following this life style, then you’re not going to heaven or to the “kingdom of God.” Tell me Pastor Gordon Atkinson, what is vague or adumbrate about the unrighteous not inherit the Kingdom of God? Then the unrighteous are called out by name,

1. fornicators (NT:4205 GREEK> pornos (por'-nos); from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of NT:4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): KJV - fornicator, whoremonger.)
So we can safely say that a fornicator is a person who is a libertine, or is one devoid of any restraints, especially one who ignores or even spurns accepted morals, and forms of behavior sanctioned by the larger society

2. idolaters: NT:1496 GREEK> eidololatres (i-do-lol-at'-race); from NT:1497 and the base of NT:3000; an image- servant or) worshipper (literally or figuratively):KJV - idolater.
In laymen’s terms you are worshipping something other than the true and living God i.e. your education, money, women or god’s with a little “g”.

3. adulterers: NT:3432 GREEK> moichos (moy-khos'); perhaps a primary word; a (male) paramour; figuratively, apostate KJV - adulterer.
Simply stated a paramour is an illicit lover, and apostate is a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc. So we can say that an adulterer is a person who has illicit lovers and forsakes his religion.

4. Effeminate: NT:3120 malako GREEK> malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite: KJV - effeminate, soft.
In restating this Greek definition the word affinity means relationship by marriage or a sympathy marked by community of interest: kinship, soft denotes unmanly, and catamite is the younger partner in pederastic (erotic) relationship between two males

5. abusers of themselves with mankind: NT:733 GREEK> arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from NT:730 and NT:2845; a sodomite: KJV - abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.
The Greek defines “abusers of themselves with mankind” as a sodomite - someone who engages in anal copulation (especially a male who engages in anal copulation with another male) which is a good description of the typical homosexual (male).

Finally, in verse 10 say that the aforementioned violators of his word “shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” My question to you Pastor Gordon Atkinson of “Shame on you Covenant Baptist Church, does this included you and your friends? In a word, yes, Repent Pastor Atkinson because there is no compromise or different interpretation.
Pastor/Teacher Deweyne J. Robinson, Sr.

The ONLY reason why I can see a Pastor speaking like this concerning homosexuality is because he does not want to disturb his BOYFRIEND! In that case you are no Pastor at all, but a liar! I'm not going to say come back to Christ, because you weren't there to begin with!


Technically speaking, the Bible clearly says we are born in sin and shaped in iniquity, but this is no excuse for anyone, because we are to be "BORN AGAIN" by the blood of JESUS and the Holy Spirit.


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