Yeshua vs Paul - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T07:26:15Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/yeshua-vs-paul?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A752422&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBrother,
I do agree with you…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-08:916966:Comment:7895092009-06-08T18:02:47.281ZN'ZI Amani Germainhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/KouassiKouameGermain
Brother,<br />
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I do agree with you!<br />
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The written Law (the Torah) given to Israel was introduced because of transgression 430 years later(Galatians 3:17-18).<br />
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It was that Law which prescribed rituals like sabbath keeping and so on...<br />
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Indeed, before the introduction of that written law(Torah), there was a LAW, namely the Law of Christ( Galatians 6:2: Jesus-Christ is the Biginning end the End, the Almighty God).<br />
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At the bigining was the WORD. Jesus is the Word(John 1:14)<br />
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Brother Paul says that the…
Brother,<br />
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I do agree with you!<br />
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The written Law (the Torah) given to Israel was introduced because of transgression 430 years later(Galatians 3:17-18).<br />
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It was that Law which prescribed rituals like sabbath keeping and so on...<br />
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Indeed, before the introduction of that written law(Torah), there was a LAW, namely the Law of Christ( Galatians 6:2: Jesus-Christ is the Biginning end the End, the Almighty God).<br />
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At the bigining was the WORD. Jesus is the Word(John 1:14)<br />
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Brother Paul says that the written law which was introduced because of transgression 430 years later does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.<br />
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Christians should live according to the pevious law which was based on faith.<br />
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Today, that law of Christ based on faith justifies the believers from everything he/she could not be justified from by the law of Moses, the written law(Torah).<br />
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Of course, Such believers are sons and daughters of Abraham, since Abraham lived according to that previous LAW which was based on faith.<br />
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So, we are to return to the begining, to the the previous law, to the previous convenant based on faith.<br />
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Please, read Galatians 3:1-29<br />
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Blessings,<br />
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Bro. Germain Pierce,
« Now then, why do y…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-01:916966:Comment:7676882009-06-01T09:53:29.996ZN'ZI Amani Germainhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/KouassiKouameGermain
Pierce,<br />
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« Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."<br />
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Acts 15:10-11<br />
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Do you understand MATTHEW 7: 21-23 well ?<br />
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What is the will of the Father of Jesus Christ who is in heaven?<br />
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We must let Jesus Christ Himself answer this question:<br />
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"For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and…
Pierce,<br />
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« Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."<br />
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Acts 15:10-11<br />
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Do you understand MATTHEW 7: 21-23 well ?<br />
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What is the will of the Father of Jesus Christ who is in heaven?<br />
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We must let Jesus Christ Himself answer this question:<br />
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"For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."<br />
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John 6:40<br />
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Is Jesus Christ speaking about Torah keeping here?<br />
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Bro. Germain Pierce,
« Now then, why do y…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-06-01:916966:Comment:7676862009-06-01T09:53:11.100ZN'ZI Amani Germainhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/KouassiKouameGermain
Pierce,<br />
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« Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."<br />
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Acts 15:10-11<br />
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Do you understand MATTHEW 7: 21-23 well ?<br />
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What is the will of the Father of Jesus Christ who is in heaven?<br />
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We must let Jesus Christ Himself answer this question:<br />
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"For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and…
Pierce,<br />
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« Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."<br />
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Acts 15:10-11<br />
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Do you understand MATTHEW 7: 21-23 well ?<br />
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What is the will of the Father of Jesus Christ who is in heaven?<br />
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We must let Jesus Christ Himself answer this question:<br />
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"For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."<br />
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John 6:40<br />
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Is Jesus Christ speaking about Torah keeping here?<br />
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Bro. Germain Germain,
Duet 30:11,"For thi…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-05-29:916966:Comment:7603622009-05-29T17:18:19.265ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
Germain,<br />
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Duet 30:11,"For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off".<br />
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1 John 5:3,"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome".<br />
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Man, Who told you the Torah was a burden?
Germain,<br />
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Duet 30:11,"For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off".<br />
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1 John 5:3,"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome".<br />
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Man, Who told you the Torah was a burden? Brother Pierce,
Do you see t…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-05-29:916966:Comment:7602952009-05-29T16:56:04.623ZN'ZI Amani Germainhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/KouassiKouameGermain
Brother Pierce,<br />
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Do you see the TORAH in Matthew 7:21-23?<br />
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I realize that Torah keepers usually quote Matthew 7:21-23 with a view to frigthen the born again believers in Christ.<br />
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Let us see closely this biblical passage:<br />
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"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many…
Brother Pierce,<br />
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Do you see the TORAH in Matthew 7:21-23?<br />
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I realize that Torah keepers usually quote Matthew 7:21-23 with a view to frigthen the born again believers in Christ.<br />
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Let us see closely this biblical passage:<br />
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"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'<br />
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Matthew 7:21-23<br />
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Brother Pierce do you truly know the will of the Father of Jesus Christ who is in heaven?<br />
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What is the will of the Father of Jesus Christ who is in heaven?<br />
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Who is the Father of Jesus Christ?<br />
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Who is Jesus Christ ?<br />
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Who is speaking in Matthew 7:21-23?<br />
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Moses? No!<br />
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Jesus? Yes!<br />
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Was Jesus Christ speaking about Torah keeping? No!<br />
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Jesus was speaking about EVILDOERS?<br />
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Those who don't do the will of His Father Who is in heaven are EVILDOERS?<br />
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Now, please, explain me this:<br />
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How can one become an EVILDOER or a lawless one if she or he follows thoroughly the law of Christ?<br />
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Indeed, the Bible declares:<br />
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"What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame”.<br />
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Romans 9:30-33<br />
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THROUGH JESUS CHRIST EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IS JUSTIFIED FROM EVERYTHING WE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED FROM BY THE LAW OF MOSES.<br />
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Amen!<br />
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THE FAITH VICTORY OF WHICH HAS OVERCOME THE WORLD COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE, AND THE MESSAGE IS HEARD THROUGH THE WORD OF CHRIST.<br />
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WE BELIEVE IT IS THROUGH THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS THAT WE ARE SAVED<br />
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“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast”.<br />
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Ephesians 2:8-9<br />
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Besides, the grace is not a license to sin (Titus 2:11-14; 1 John 3:9).<br />
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What is the law of the new faith of the Gentiles who come to Christ?<br />
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The law of their new faith is the law of Christ.<br />
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And that law states that man is not justified by observing the law of Moses, but by faith in Jesus Christ(Galatians 2:15-16).<br />
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This was the preaching of Brother Paul every Sabbath in the synagogue.<br />
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The law is not abolished But Jesus came to perfect the law, because the law can not save anybody:<br />
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“For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.<br />
The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”<br />
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Romans 5:19-21<br />
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Brother Pierce, you are talking about OBEDIENCE.<br />
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Obedience to the Torah or obedience toward the law of Christ?<br />
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Let me tell you that through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.<br />
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Yes, through the obedience of Jesus-Christ the many will be made righteous.<br />
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So, how can Jesus Christ call those who have been made righteous through His obedience EVILDOERS?<br />
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I wonder!<br />
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May God open the eyes of all the zealous for the law of Moses!<br />
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« He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”<br />
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Revelation 3:22<br />
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Bro. Germain<br />
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It is about obedien…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-05-29:916966:Comment:7600282009-05-29T15:39:53.290ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
Germain,<br />
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It is about obedience. Matt 7:21-23
Germain,<br />
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It is about obedience. Matt 7:21-23 3Are you so foolish? After be…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-05-29:916966:Comment:7600022009-05-29T15:31:12.262ZN'ZI Amani Germainhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/KouassiKouameGermain
3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Brother,
I will be kind to a…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-05-28:916966:Comment:7557672009-05-28T09:43:19.192ZN'ZI Amani Germainhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/KouassiKouameGermain
Brother,<br />
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I will be kind to answer all your questions by the statement below:<br />
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“You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for…
Brother,<br />
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I will be kind to answer all your questions by the statement below:<br />
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“You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?”<br />
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Galatians 3:1-5<br />
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Yes, “You foolish Torah keepers!<br />
You foolish Sabbath keepers!<br />
You foolish zealous for the law!<br />
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Who has bewitched you?<br />
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Please, tell me!<br />
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Who has bewitched you?<br />
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Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?”<br />
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May God enlighten you!<br />
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This is my prayer!<br />
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Brother Germain Germain,
No one in Yeshua ta…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-05-27:916966:Comment:7537642009-05-27T17:41:43.173ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
Germain,<br />
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No one in Yeshua takes on the curse of the Torah. But, obedience to Torah still counts, as you will be judge by faith & Torah. Yeshua did not make all the Torah done away. That would contradict, and YOU KNOW THIS. He only canceled out the curse, for he became a curse. You cannot forget that the new covenant includes Torah(Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:8-12).
Germain,<br />
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No one in Yeshua takes on the curse of the Torah. But, obedience to Torah still counts, as you will be judge by faith & Torah. Yeshua did not make all the Torah done away. That would contradict, and YOU KNOW THIS. He only canceled out the curse, for he became a curse. You cannot forget that the new covenant includes Torah(Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:8-12). You ask, "To keep the Sabbath…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-05-27:916966:Comment:7537462009-05-27T17:35:36.001ZEccl. 12:13https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RayVining
You ask, "To keep the Sabbath, what does it mean?" For God it means the following:<br />
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The Sabbath is for rest. Exod.35:2<br />
We ARE to come together to worship the Lord. Lev.26:2<br />
We are NOT to cook on Gods Sabbath. Exod.16:23<br />
We are NOT to buy or sell on Gods Sabbath. Neh.13:15-22<br />
We are NOT to do our own will or pleasures. Isa.58:13<br />
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This is how God instructs us to keep HIS Sabbath.<br />
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As for explaining the other part of your post let's read what was at fault;<br />
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Heb.8<br />
[7] For if that first covenant had…
You ask, "To keep the Sabbath, what does it mean?" For God it means the following:<br />
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The Sabbath is for rest. Exod.35:2<br />
We ARE to come together to worship the Lord. Lev.26:2<br />
We are NOT to cook on Gods Sabbath. Exod.16:23<br />
We are NOT to buy or sell on Gods Sabbath. Neh.13:15-22<br />
We are NOT to do our own will or pleasures. Isa.58:13<br />
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This is how God instructs us to keep HIS Sabbath.<br />
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As for explaining the other part of your post let's read what was at fault;<br />
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Heb.8<br />
[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.<br />
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:<br />
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Notice WHAT was at fault. Read verse 8 above again to see just what was at fault:<br />
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FOR FINDING FAULT WITH THEM!!!!! There is NOTHING wrong with the laws of God. It was the PEOPLE God found fault with, NOT His covenant!!!<br />
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Now here is a question for you. The following is an event that will take place during Christ 1000 year rule on this earth. Let's read what it says;<br />
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Isa.66<br />
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.<br />
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Do you think THAT SABBATH will be the same SABBATH that God said will be an everlasting covenant?<br />
Do you think He will say, “Don’t worry about the day, just pick ANY one and serve and worship me.”<br />
Do you think at that time those that worship God will have a choice in the matter as far as which day they say is the Sabbath?<br />
Do you think this Sabbath is ONLY for the nation of Israel during Christ 1000 year rule?<br />
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Something we must consider is this, just how long is FOREVER? After all, what is a perpetual covenant to God? Let’s read.<br />
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EXODUS 31:<br />
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.<br />
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Now I know some are saying that this is for the nation of Israel. Well is it really? Let's see what the scriptures have to say:<br />
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ISAIAH 56:<br />
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.<br />
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;<br />
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So this covenant is not just for the nations of Israel, but for all those that join themselves to worship the God of Israel.<br />
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Now if you could be so kind to answer my questions!!