As I journey towards my elevation to the office of Bishop in the Lord's Church, I have noticed throughout the recent years, an influx of the usage of the title of Bishop and Apostle and MANY of these persons are "SELF-APPOINTED" and have NO APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION nor LINEAGE. In fact, some were consecrated by Bishops and Apostles with NO SUCCESSION nor LINEAGE. Let's Discuss this.

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Stanley Dove! Wow! Don't be such a hater! Smile. The Bishop is oversight or governance and is not 5 fold. You are correct. I think I made that point. I agree Apostles plant ministries but I don't know where the Scripture says that they 'set up churches', appoint pastors, or finance works. Please help us with these references. A church is a viable entity wherever God chooses to dwell - with or without a building, pastor or apostle!

An Apostle give direction - where the Spirit is directing the body. Now, whether those here qualify is up to them and God. I certainly am not going to be the judge. However, I sense you are irritated with the role of those that call themselves apostle and how anemic the church that they serve has become.

We agree that many are calling themselves Bishop or Apostle, have a license and nothing to show for their work.
And I know what you are saying about International. I know a man who calls himself, "Apostle to the Nations" and hasn't been around the block!

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There is no scripture that talks about the Apostles ability to Setup,Finance,And appoint Pastors but our reference is Paul the Apostle. .Where in the Bible does it talk about Episcopal succession ? Paul told Timothy Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith so do.1 Timothy 1:4. How did we miss this point? I'm not trying to go tit for tat but since we are going to use the Bible as our guide map on this succession topic.Where does it talk about Bishops or Apostles being consecrated please tell me ?Why is there so much catholicism in the consecration?
The usage of the term Apostolic Succession is in connection with how the lineage of the Apostle's (12 Disciples) who were the first ones who were consecrated (Luke 24:49) and the line of succession continued with Paul who then birthed the ministries of Silas, Barnabas, John Mark and his Spiritual Son Timothy. This term simply means that the peson who is consecrated HAS some pedigree/lineage as it relates to the office. As for "Where" does the Bible speak of this act of consecration, one them is Exodus 29:1-9.
This scripture is for the Priest not Apostles or Bishops Aarons lineage is priest hood.Where in the Bible does it talk about Episcopal succession as it deals with Apostles and Bishops.Enquiring minds would like to know.Don't talk to me about types and shadows find the scripture. Thank you.
No Scriptural reference. We knew that but thank you. We agree. There is a pattern of consecration for all in the five fold ministry. It began with Aaron and his sons and continued right to the Antioch Church. The problem is that most don't know there is a pattern, why there is a pattern or what the pattern means. You don't know me but you will find out that I REALLY believe the bible. IF it is in there then it has application and purpose for today and if it is not then it is just something that men are doing.

From your posts, I think that you and I agree we have a lot more of what men are doing than what God said.

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The truth is that most of the episcopal succession as it deals with todays church is a hoax.Why you ask beause none of you were back in the Biblical times.The 12 Apostles including Matthias died before any of your predecessors were born.Now with that being said just because you found a work doesn't mean that you are an Apostle.Jesus was not an Apostle he was the founder.So then where does this succession stuff come from since there are no Apostles to lay hands on you save the people we reconize as apostles because of their deeds? It is man made get it, remeber it, Man made.Half of the stuff we have in fellowship with each other is man made.What woud happen if we only did what God called us to do and stopped the man made stuff?Like the phony consecrations with Bishops that don't cover a nat
the office of apostle is given by jesus christ, and the holy ghost who ever walk in these offices must but call by god along. know man has these positions on lock . be careful what you says about authenticty because it was apostles that picked bishops being led by god.

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