Why Do Messianics Not Share Yahshua's Supper Between Passovers?
Please forgive this blog style discussion. This topic has been on my mind for sometime.... I tried to research answers from scripture... not much success.
Is the Ritual of Communion Biblical?
When opening a lesson on The Will of Abba, I must always begin with His teachings… or that of His Son, Yahushua….
7 And the day of unleavened bread came, on which the Passover must be sacrificed.
8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and make ready for us the Passover that we may eat.
9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we make ready?
10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house whereinto he goeth.
11 And ye shall say unto the master of the house, The Teacher saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the Passover with my disciples?
12 And he will show you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the Passover.
14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the apostles with him.
15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer:
16 for I say unto you, I shall not eat it, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of Elohim.
17 And he received a cup, and when he had given thanks, he said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
18 for I say unto you, I shall not drink from henceforth of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of Elohim shall come.
19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.
It is apparent that it is in this scripture where Christians base the practice of “Holy Communion” because Yahushua said “do this in remembrance of me..” as He instituted the breaking of bread and drinking of wine in remembrance of His Sacrifice to man. He commanded that they should do this in his remembrance. This scripture does not mention how often. One would be led to believe that it should be done when it was done here in the Book of Luke at Passover but this is not conclusive.
Hebrew Israelites and Messianic Jews do believe that Yahushua was speaking of do the PASSOVER. My problem was that they always do the Passover each Feast Time… So why would he speak of them doing it as his last command to them… No.. He was definitely speaking of the Remembrance Ritual of breaking and sharing of unleavened bread… representing his body and the drinking of the wine… representing His blood to be sacrificed for all men. Now…my question is could he suggest this as a replacement or add on to the traditional Passover or Did he intend for this to be a new observance for that date forward until his return unto the Kingdom.
Below is a teaching from a Messianic Jewish Brother, Derek:
http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2007/04/23/the-lords-supper-fant...
Brother Derek asks:
Here is my big question: where does Yeshua ever say we are to drink a little juice and eat a tiny piece of bread in remembrance of him?
Here is the fantasy version: Yeshua and his disciples sat on the same side of the table posing as DaVinci painted his famous picture. Meanwhile, Yeshua was reciting the words of institution right out of his pocket New Testament. He took out tiny clear cups made of plastic the size of a thimble. He broke out a metal dish with perfectly round wafers from the Christian bookstore. His deacons came to the front and received the dish and cups from him. The organist played as they passed out the juice and wafers. After eating, they all sang “Blest Be the Ties That Bind.”
That, of course, is not at all what happened.
Here is the real version: Yeshua and his disciples enjoyed a Passover Seder the night before he was killed. They followed an older, simpler version of the same Passover Seder celebrated today in Jewish homes. After the meal, Yeshua broke one of the main symbols of the Seder, a piece of unleavened bread. He asked them to eat it and said it was his body. He led them in drinking the third cup (after the meal) which probably already represented redemption. He said, “do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me” (1 Cor. 11:25). The “whenever you drink it” part has an obvious meaning: whenever you drink the third cup of Passover (not whenever you invent a new ceremony of drinking a thimble of juice).
Therefore, it is our practice, and that of many Messianic Jewish congregations, to remember the body and blood of our Messiah at the Passover. We do not have weekly, monthly, or quarterly communion services.
Now, I must say that I do not believe Brother Derek looked at the full scriptures of 1 Coritnithian 11 and indeed he must be careful not to add to the word in order to bring forth his own agenda. Let us look at these Scriptures closely, particularly verse 25.
1 Corinthian 11
20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Master's supper:
21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What, have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the assembly of Elohim, and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you? In this I praise you not.
23 For I received of the Master that which also I delivered unto you, that the Master Yahshua in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink the cup, ye proclaim the Master's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat the bread or drink the cup of the Master in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Master.
28 But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh, eateth and drinketh judgment unto himself, if he discern not the body.
30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep.
31 But if we discerned ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of Yahweh, that we may not be condemned with the world.
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, wait one for another.
34 If any man is hungry, let him eat at home; that your coming together be not unto judgment. And the rest will I set in order whensoever I come.
Well, these verses speak great volumes on the institution of the Communion Ritual…First of all, let us dispel Derek’s teaching that the cup of wine, representing Yahushua’s blood was the third cup in the Cedar Meal… Scriptures do not support this as far as I can read and discern.
Now.. what is Apostle Paul saying as he opens this discussion.
20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Master's supper:
21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
If he is speaking of Passover for this action to take place, Paul is telling us to no longer have the Cedar meal but to only do the part which Yahushua did with us. If he is not saying this, what is he saying in the above verses of 20 and 21?
Well, Paul goes on to speak of Yahushua’s Last Supper:
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
This do: as often as ye drink it; in remembrance of me. This line alone surely suggests that this would take place more than once a year. Paul continues to give clear instructions on what is required before taking the symbolic body and the blood of Yahushua.
Are these instructions aligned with that of Abba’s for Passover, perhaps so?
Exodus 12:18: "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even."
The Heavenly Father gave us strict commandment of how to observe his feast. He commanded us not to eat anything leavened.
Exodus 12:19: "Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land." Verse 20: "Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread."
In my understanding unleavened bread represents purity… no sin. So, in the spiritual reading on Passover, it would align with Paul’s teaching. But, is that what Paul was teaching his people in 1 Corinthians… to confess all sins before the Passover. Yet, continue to read the remaining of the chapter…
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, wait one for another.
34 If any man is hungry, let him eat at home; that your coming together be not unto judgment. And the rest will I set in order whensoever I come.
It is very apparent that Paul is not referring to Passover for one thing, Paul never mentioned the word Passover or the Feast of Unleavened Bread in this entire chapter nor the one prior or following it. Paul obviously, instituted or continued this observance of Remembrance Meal of the Messiah on a regular basis…. The issue is that we do not know how often… I do get the impression, it was during each of their Sabbath Assembling but I cannot speak that as Truth.
So, what have I resolved? Not very much Yet, I will state that if you believe in Paul’s Espistle to the Corinthians, I do believe there is a just scriptural basis for remembering our Messiah… This do: as often as ye drink it; in remembrance of me.
Hebrew Israelites and Jewish Brethren…………........... Passover Remembrance (Once A Year)
Seventh Day Adventist Brethren………………………….Holy Communion (Quarterly)
Most Christian Faith Brethren………………………….....Holy Communion (Monthly)
Latter Day Saint Brethren………………………………..Sabbath Communion (Weekly/Each Sunday)
Catholic Brethren…………………………………………..Each Mass (Available Daily)
Based on 1 Corinthian 11:25, perhaps it is our Catholic Brethren who remembers our Messiah most often (based on practice of His Last Supper Observance).
When opening a lesson on The Will of Abba, I must always begin with His teachings… or that of His Son, Yahushua….
7 And the day of unleavened bread came, on which the Passover must be sacrificed.
8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and make ready for us the Passover that we may eat.
9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we make ready?
10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house whereinto he goeth.
11 And ye shall say unto the master of the house, The Teacher saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the Passover with my disciples?
12 And he will show you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the Passover.
14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the apostles with him.
15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer:
16 for I say unto you, I shall not eat it, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of Elohim.
17 And he received a cup, and when he had given thanks, he said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
18 for I say unto you, I shall not drink from henceforth of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of Elohim shall come.
19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.
It is apparent that it is in this scripture where Christians base the practice of “Holy Communion” because Yahushua said “do this in remembrance of me..” as He instituted the breaking of bread and drinking of wine in remembrance of His Sacrifice to man. He commanded that they should do this in his remembrance. This scripture does not mention how often. One would be led to believe that it should be done when it was done here in the Book of Luke at Passover but this is not conclusive.
Hebrew Israelites and Messianic Jews do believe that Yahushua was speaking of do the PASSOVER. My problem was that they always do the Passover each Feast Time… So why would he speak of them doing it as his last command to them… No.. He was definitely speaking of the Remembrance Ritual of breaking and sharing of unleavened bread… representing his body and the drinking of the wine… representing His blood to be sacrificed for all men. Now…my question is could he suggest this as a replacement or add on to the traditional Passover or Did he intend for this to be a new observance for that date forward until his return unto the Kingdom.
Below is a teaching from a Messianic Jewish Brother, Derek:
http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2007/04/23/the-lords-supper-fant...
Brother Derek asks:
Here is my big question: where does Yeshua ever say we are to drink a little juice and eat a tiny piece of bread in remembrance of him?
Here is the fantasy version: Yeshua and his disciples sat on the same side of the table posing as DaVinci painted his famous picture. Meanwhile, Yeshua was reciting the words of institution right out of his pocket New Testament. He took out tiny clear cups made of plastic the size of a thimble. He broke out a metal dish with perfectly round wafers from the Christian bookstore. His deacons came to the front and received the dish and cups from him. The organist played as they passed out the juice and wafers. After eating, they all sang “Blest Be the Ties That Bind.”
That, of course, is not at all what happened.
Here is the real version: Yeshua and his disciples enjoyed a Passover Seder the night before he was killed. They followed an older, simpler version of the same Passover Seder celebrated today in Jewish homes. After the meal, Yeshua broke one of the main symbols of the Seder, a piece of unleavened bread. He asked them to eat it and said it was his body. He led them in drinking the third cup (after the meal) which probably already represented redemption. He said, “do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me” (1 Cor. 11:25). The “whenever you drink it” part has an obvious meaning: whenever you drink the third cup of Passover (not whenever you invent a new ceremony of drinking a thimble of juice).
Therefore, it is our practice, and that of many Messianic Jewish congregations, to remember the body and blood of our Messiah at the Passover. We do not have weekly, monthly, or quarterly communion services.
Now, I must say that I do not believe Brother Derek looked at the full scriptures of 1 Coritnithian 11 and indeed he must be careful not to add to the word in order to bring forth his own agenda. Let us look at these Scriptures closely, particularly verse 25.
1 Corinthian 11
20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Master's supper:
21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What, have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the assembly of Elohim, and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you? In this I praise you not.
23 For I received of the Master that which also I delivered unto you, that the Master Yahshua in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink the cup, ye proclaim the Master's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat the bread or drink the cup of the Master in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Master.
28 But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh, eateth and drinketh judgment unto himself, if he discern not the body.
30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep.
31 But if we discerned ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of Yahweh, that we may not be condemned with the world.
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, wait one for another.
34 If any man is hungry, let him eat at home; that your coming together be not unto judgment. And the rest will I set in order whensoever I come.
Well, these verses speak great volumes on the institution of the Communion Ritual…First of all, let us dispel Derek’s teaching that the cup of wine, representing Yahushua’s blood was the third cup in the Cedar Meal… Scriptures do not support this as far as I can read and discern.
Now.. what is Apostle Paul saying as he opens this discussion.
20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Master's supper:
21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
If he is speaking of Passover for this action to take place, Paul is telling us to no longer have the Cedar meal but to only do the part which Yahushua did with us. If he is not saying this, what is he saying in the above verses of 20 and 21?
Well, Paul goes on to speak of Yahushua’s Last Supper:
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
This do: as often as ye drink it; in remembrance of me. This line alone surely suggests that this would take place more than once a year. Paul continues to give clear instructions on what is required before taking the symbolic body and the blood of Yahushua.
Are these instructions aligned with that of Abba’s for Passover, perhaps so?
Exodus 12:18: "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even."
The Heavenly Father gave us strict commandment of how to observe his feast. He commanded us not to eat anything leavened.
Exodus 12:19: "Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land." Verse 20: "Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread."
In my understanding unleavened bread represents purity… no sin. So, in the spiritual reading on Passover, it would align with Paul’s teaching. But, is that what Paul was teaching his people in 1 Corinthians… to confess all sins before the Passover. Yet, continue to read the remaining of the chapter…
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, wait one for another.
34 If any man is hungry, let him eat at home; that your coming together be not unto judgment. And the rest will I set in order whensoever I come.
It is very apparent that Paul is not referring to Passover for one thing, Paul never mentioned the word Passover or the Feast of Unleavened Bread in this entire chapter nor the one prior or following it. Paul obviously, instituted or continued this observance of Remembrance Meal of the Messiah on a regular basis…. The issue is that we do not know how often… I do get the impression, it was during each of their Sabbath Assembling but I cannot speak that as Truth.
So, what have I resolved? Not very much Yet, I will state that if you believe in Paul’s Espistle to the Corinthians, I do believe there is a just scriptural basis for remembering our Messiah… This do: as often as ye drink it; in remembrance of me.
Hebrew Israelites and Jewish Brethren…………........... Passover Remembrance (Once A Year)
Seventh Day Adventist Brethren………………………….Holy Communion (Quarterly)
Most Christian Faith Brethren………………………….....Holy Communion (Monthly)
Latter Day Saint Brethren………………………………..Sabbath Communion (Weekly/Each Sunday)
Catholic Brethren…………………………………………..Each Mass (Available Daily)
Based on 1 Corinthian 11:25, perhaps it is our Catholic Brethren who remembers our Messiah most often (based on practice of His Last Supper Observance).
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Permalink Reply by Eemah Martha aka Hephzybah on
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Sorry family for bringing this back but someone shared a very deep answer with me and I do stand corrected because perhaps... Messianics do share the Remembrance Meal at the opening of each Shabbat. I praise Abba deeply for Ackotee's guidance:
From Rachel's Remnant:
Comment by Ahavah on March 12, 2009 at 3:52pm
for a long while now the thought struck me that on a Friday evening as I light the candles and we broke the bread and drunk the wine that we were part-taking of the L-rd's Supper...... indeed I felt encouraged to make matzah each week instead of Challah.... and the experience deepened.
and then the L-rd spoke to me about the manner in which I 'scoffed' down my lunch. as I took my lunch each day - so now each day I sit and savour each mouthful.... as much as a prayer than words themselves.
Seems to me that we have arrived at the same conclusion, prayer and rememberance, by two very different routes.
Fascinating. -
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