DEBORAH WAS A JUDGE, BUT NOT IN A SENSE EQUIVALENT TO THAT OF OTHNIEL and EHUD

Brother Trevor,

DEBORAH WAS A JUDGE, BUT NOT IN A SENSE EQUIVALENT TO THAT OF OTHNIEL and EHUD

Brother,

You are leading women astray.

Please, do not try to please women but please God.

Indeed, brother Paul said:

“For do I now seek to satisfy men or God? or do I seek to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I were not Christ's bondman.”

Galatians 1:10

Please, quit(leave) feminism and preach only the Word of God.

Indeed, you said:

“Barak was the leader of the ARMY, not the nation. Operating in the office Moses once held, Deborah was in lead position, while Barak played a Joshua role”.

Brother, the Bible states clearly that Sisera was the captain of the army of Jabin king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor (Judges 4:2).

So when you say that “Barak was the leader of the ARMY, not the nation”, do you want to insinuate that Barak was the leader of the ARMY of Deborah?

The ARMY of Deborah, since she would be leader of the whole nation ?

Is this your teaching?

Brother, why did God raise up Judges in Israel?

He raised up Judges in Israel in order to save Israel out of the hands of its enemies.

“ Then the LORD raised up judges, who saved them out of the hands of these raiders”.

Judges 2:16

No one has said that Doborah had not play a role.

Certainly, she was a Judge, but she was not a Judge in a sense equivalent to that of the other Judes because she was a WOMAN.

Let us see:

The Bible says that God raised up for Israelites a deliverer, Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother, who saved them. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war.
“But when they cried out to the LORD, he raised up for them a deliverer, Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother, who saved them. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him. 11 So the land had peace for forty years, until Othniel son of Kenaz died”.

Judges 3:9-11

Brother, the Bible says that OTHNIEL, son of Kenaz, the JUDGE WENT TO WAR.

His appeal was directly linked to the cries of the Israelites. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war (himself).

Let us see an other example:

The Bible states that God raised up for Israelites a deliverer Ehud, a left-handed man, the son of Gera the Benjamite.

“ 15 Again the Israelites cried out to the LORD, and he gave them a deliverer—Ehud, a left-handed man, the son of Gera the Benjamite. The Israelites sent him with tribute to Eglon king of Moab. 16 Now Ehud had made a double-edged sword about a foot and a half [a] long, which he strapped to his right thigh under his clothing. 17 He presented the tribute to Eglon king of Moab, who was a very fat man. 18 After Ehud had presented the tribute, he sent on their way the men who had carried it. 19 At the idols [b] near Gilgal he himself turned back and said, "I have a secret message for you, O king." The king said, "Quiet!" And all his attendants left him. 20 Ehud then approached him while he was sitting alone in the upper room of his summer palace [c] and said, "I have a message from God for you." As the king rose from his seat, 21 Ehud reached with his left hand, drew the sword from his right thigh and plunged it into the king's belly. 22 Even the handle sank in after the blade, which came out his back. Ehud did not pull the sword out, and the fat closed in over it. 23 Then Ehud went out to the porch [d] ; he shut the doors of the upper room behind him and locked them”.

Judges 3:15-23

Brother, the Bible says that "EHUD, a left-handed man, the Judge of Israel had made a double-edged sword about a foot and a half [a] long, which he strapped to his right thigh under his clothing. 17 He presented the tribute to Eglon king of Moab, who was a very fat man. 18 After Ehud had presented the tribute, he sent on their way the men who had carried it. 19 At the idols [b] near Gilgal he himself turned back and said, "I have a secret message for you, O king." The king said, "Quiet!" And all his attendants left him. 20 Ehud then approached him while he was sitting alone in the upper room of his summer palace [c] and said, "I have a message from God for you." As the king rose from his seat, 21 Ehud reached with his left hand, drew the sword from his right thigh and plunged it into the king's belly".

Here again, we notice that the appeal of the Judge EHUD was directly linked to the cries of the Israelites, so at the idols near Gilgal he himself turned back and said to the King, "I have a secret message for you.

Yes, EHUD Himself drew the sword from his right thigh and plunged it into the belly Eglon king of Moab.

Brother, do you know the leader of the ARMY of OTHNIEL and EHUD?

Were they leaders of the nation who didn’t possess army captains?

New let us see the appeal of Deborah.

“And the children of Israel cried to Jehovah; for he had nine hundred chariots of iron, and he mightily oppressed the children of Israel twenty years. And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, judged Israel at that time. And she dwelt under the palm-tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim; and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Judges 4:3-5

Brother, the appeal of Deborah was not directly linked to the cries of the Israelites, because she was already a Judge before their cries. She was also a prophetess.

“…Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, judged Israel at that time…”

Brother, please answer my question:

Why doesn’t the Bible say that the Israelites cried out to the LORD, and he gave them a deliverer, Deborah the prophetess?

Why?

This is what the Bible says:

“And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-Naphtali, and said to him, Hath not Jehovah the God of Israel commanded? Go and draw towards mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun.”

Judges 4:6

Why did Deborah send and call Barak ( A MAN) ?

Why didn’t Deborah decide to go to war herself as OTHNIEL and EHUD did?

Why?

Because she was a WOMAN.

Women of God, please recognize that you are WOMEN.

Please recognize your limits as Deborah did.

Please, do not be ashamed of your statute. To be a WOMAN is not a shame.

The Bible says that you are WEAKER vessels.

“7[Ye] husbands likewise, dwell with [them] according to knowledge, as with a weaker, [even] the female, vessel, giving [them] honour, as also fellow-heirs of [the] grace of life, that your prayers be not hindered”.

1 Peter 3:7

Certainly, Deborah was a Judge, but she was not a Judge in a sense equivalent to that of OTHNIEL and EHUD because she was a WOMAN.

Deborah has played a role as a Prophetess, not as a warrior, a true leader or a true General who goes to war himself.

Indeed, Deborah said:

“My heart is toward the governors of Israel, who offered themselves willingly among the people. Praise the LORD! »

JUDGES 5: 9

Women of God, you must be grateful like Deborah and praise the LORD for having commended Pastors, Evangelists, Doctors, Apostles, Prophets, among you.

“It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers.”

Ephesians 4:11

Please, praise the Lord for that! Please, be grateful for that!

As Deborah, please leave the pulpit or the authority to men ordained by God who offered themselves willingly among the people of God.

Truly speaking, Deborah was not the leader of Israel but she was traditionally judging Israel at that time. She was simply a Judge. She was neither the pastor nor the leader of Israel.

Barak was the leader. Barak, a man, the leader was to fight Sisera. Deborah as a prophetess simply did inform Barak about what God wanted him to do.

The prophetess Deborah was not an overseer of a church. The Lord simply gave her a revelation, to show His servant Barak (A MAN) what would soon take place: “Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day the LORD has given Sisera into your hands” (Judges 4:14).

See : “…into your hands…”! Yes, into the hands of Barak, A MAN. Amen!

A woman can prophesy (1 Corinthians 11: 4-5). A woman can become a judge. Today, we see everywhere women who are judges and that does not scandalize anybody. It’s simply a profession that they do exert. But in the Assembly of God, women can not hold authority over men.

Barak was to go to war alone but he decided to go with Deborah, a woman who was not entitled to go to war.

The attitude of Barak was to some extent a release of liability, a disengagement.

Of course, today, men who authorize women to teach in their assemblies resemble Barak:

“Barak said to her, "If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go."(Judges 4:8)

Let us see what Deborah who knew her true position did say to barak:

"Very well," Deborah said, "I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him.” (Judges 4:9-10)

Didn’t Deborah refer to gender bias here? (“For the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman”) Amen!

"...But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman..."

Authority belongs to Barak, the man. Deborah knew. Let us listen to an excerpt of her canticle:

“Village life in Israel ceased, ceased until I, Deborah, arose, arose a mother in Israel.”

(Judges 5:7)

Deborah arose like a mother in Israel. Yes A MOTHER!

Women, you are MOTHERS. THIS IS YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. Amen!

Deborah was not an overseer of a church but a MOTHER.

Women, you must labour, you must toil, you must strive, you must pray, you can prophesy, you must intercede; you must endeavour to support the work of God as MOTHERS.

You should not become pastors; your true position has been shown by Deborah. You are

mothers.

Deborah was the felow worker of Barak, but she was not the leader of Israel, Barak was. It’s not because Deborah prophesied and accompanied Barak to Kedesh that she was the leader of Israel at that time. Deborah played her role as a MOTHER not as a man or an Overseer. The Bible declares: “Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day the LORD has given Sisera into your hands” (Judges 4:14). Amen!

For example, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”

Luke 8:1-3

Tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Overseers or Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?

Yes, woman’s place is behind!

All those women never hold authority over men, they new their role, their place in the church.

All that belongs to God’s salvation plan was revealed to the prophets and apostles (Ephesians 3:5; Revelation 10:7).

The Ministries and the gifts must be placed correctly in their divine order and left in their place.

No woman was leader in the early church. The Holy Scriptures never state that Priscilla, Chloe or Phoebe were leaders or Overseers in the Church.

Indeed, the Bible says: “But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”

1 Timothy 2:15

This is your true position in Jesus-Christ. As good mothers you ought to teach what is good to your daughters:”

“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”

Titus 2:3-5

Old women should not train the younger women to become pastors or to hold authority over men. But they should teach them to become also good mothers, loving their husbands and children, being self-controlled and pure, being busy at home, being kind, and being subject to their husbands.

Women, this is your role as members of the body of Christ. You have many things to do. Then do not usurp the role of the men. Not only you must teach the younger women but also your behavior owes to be a preaching for your husbands:

“Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

1 Peter 3:1-6

If the Bible is your absolute, then say a big AMEN to that!

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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Comment by N'ZI Amani Germain on June 12, 2009 at 7:25am
Brother Trevor,

I've seen your poor attempt to refute my teaching above.

Do you want to convince me that DEBORAH WAS A JUDGE IN A SENSE EQUIVALENT TO THAT OF OTHNIEL and EHUD ?

Please, do as you think fit, but let us read the biblical passage below:

“28 Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"
29 Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."
30 The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?"
"No," he said.
31 Then the LORD opened Balaam's eyes, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.
32 The angel of the LORD asked him, "Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me. [a] 33 The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If she had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared her."
34 Balaam said to the angel of the LORD, "I have sinned. I did not realize you were standing in the road to oppose me. Now if you are displeased, I will go back."
35 The angel of the LORD said to Balaam, "Go with the men, but speak only what I tell you." So Balaam went with the princes of Balak ».

Numbers 22: 28-35

Now, listen to me carefully!

If someone is not a TRUE SERVANT OF GOD, even though our Lord speaks to him through the donkey's mouth and open his eyes, this one will go straight with the princes of Balak.

Yes this one will continue in his errors.

So, I pray for you, my brother.

That is all I can say.

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches"

Revelation 3:22

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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