Should Christians drink wine,Beer and Liquor

[Eric Hancock]

I was invited to a Pastors house and was shocked when I saw what I saw,,they were n drinking and DRUNK,,they looked at me and was too drunk to realize who I was or did not care,,they said ,,DONT LOOK AT US LIKE THAT JESUS DRANK WITH BOYZ,,,,Does the Bible teach about drinking wine?

Rom 14:21--"It is good neither to eat flesh, nor drink wine, nor anything whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak."

It is good not to drink wine.

Eph 5:18--"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit."

We are told to be filled with the Spirit instead of trying to get high on wine.

1Tim 3:8--"Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre."

Not give to much wine must be taken in Scriptural use not according to worldly consumption. There is no Scriptural practice of casual drinking of wine either with meals or at times of social fellowship. The next verse gives us the only New Testament authority for use of wine.

1Tim 5:23--"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
This was written to Timothy not to the Church. It can be applied to the Church but was not so the intent of Paul. Timothy had a stomach problem that drinking wine as a medicine was acceptable. We do not know that his stomach disorder was. All we know is Timothy was told to drink a "LITTLE" wine for his stomach sake. This is hardly a scripture to use for the right to drink wine at meals or in times of social fellowship. He was also told to use wine for his infirmities. Some think this means he is to drink it. This is false, there are infirmities that are external where wine is used as an antiseptic. The good Samaritan poured wine into the wounds of the Jew who fell among thieves. These wounds were infirmities. One thing is here noted: Paul did not authorize use of wine for any other purpose. Thus, a person in need of wine as Paul prescribed was not to be "given to wine." Which means not to over-do the use beyond its medicinal purpose. Drinking wine with meals and in social fellowship is not for medicinal purpose.

Titus 1:7--"For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre."

Here is a wonderful thing to note: Bishops are not to drink wine. Men who desire this office have a requirement to abstain from wine. Many novices and Ministers who covet the office of Bishop should not be going around seducing unstable souls to drink wine.

Titus 2:3--"The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things."

Here is a text most who drink wine do not honor. This text does not give open freedom to drink wine. It gives "aged" women this right and again, I believe the use of wine is in its Biblical order and for medicinal purposes.

Several years ago near Orlando, Florida a UPC pastor fell into drinking wine for meals and in private with friends. This went on for several years and eventually he became an alcoholic. I went to this man's Church with Pastor W.S. Craig, of St. Petersburg, Florida, who was then a Presbyter of the district. The man was such a nice person, but he was an alcoholic and it was now time he had to resign because he had taken his drunkenness to Church and it was obvious he was drunk and trying to preach. He was not removed the night I was there with the Presbyter but some time later he did resign. I can recount several more men over the years since 1968 and my Christian journey who stumbled and fell into alcoholism drinking wine because they believed they had a right. No real man of God will drink wine except in the use of the Lord's Passover and it is respect to this Cup and this representation of the precious blood that will forbid them to drink at any other time. This is the only sacrifice for which wine is used in our lives. For we who fellowship around

[Eric Hancock]

Depending on the subject and it's TOPIC

[Eric Hancock]

I study very hard as well

[Eric Hancock]

HAHAH.I GET MY INFORMATION FROM STUDYING VARIOUS WEB SITES..LOL,, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WHEN YOU SAY LAST WORD ,,,GET READY FOR A BOOK,,,LOL

[Eric Hancock]

your a wise man I an understand and respect your beliefs as well...some may not agree but I truly do,,,your an extra credit and keep me on my toes,,LOL

[Eric Hancock]

Get ye an undersatnding

[Eric Hancock]

Some Bible dictionaries and other references speak of an Arab stew made from the locust bug that is a pest to crops. Vine and Strong both write about roasted locusts with the head, wings and legs removed. They were salted and also cooked with butter. According to Strong, the Greek word for locust in Matthew 3 is akris. In other New Testament uses of akris, the pest is clearly implied, NOT a tree.

Winifred Walker (All the Plants of the Bible) writes about the fruit of the carob or locust tree. It is accepted by many in the East as the food on which John the Baptist fed, however, in my humble opinion, it is not the carob; it was the insect that John ate.

The carob fruit is known in that region as St. John's bread. It is a tree native to the eastern Mediterranean introduced by Greeks into their country as well as Italy. Spaniards carried it into Mexico and South America where it is established today.

A sturdy evergreen, it grows to fifty feet in height. In early spring the tree bears large clusters of pea-shaped blossoms. Brown fruits follow in the form of thick, eight inch long pods. These pods are filled with a sweet mucilage that protects flat bony seeds and are very nutritious.

Locust fruit is dried as a food for cattle and people. The seeds may be the ancient and original weight used by goldsmiths for a carat. One tree may yield as much as eight hundred pounds of husks per harvest.

"Carob is a unique substance that has an appearance similar to cocoa. It comes from the Ceratonia siliqua, an evergreen tree native to the Eastern Mediterranean area. This relatively wild tree, which grows up to 50 feet tall, bears fruit at the age of six to eight years with a greater abundance of fruit every other year. The average annual yield per tree is 200-250 lbs. of fruit.

Carob, or St. John's Bread, as it is commonly known, is a large (4-12 inch long) dried, bean-like pod. Pods are harvested from September to November. Inside the carob pods are tiny beans which are used to make locust bean gum, a stabilizer and thickener in foods. The carob pods themselves are roasted and ground into carob powder.

Carob powder can be used to replace cocoa at levels from 25-50%. While carob performs like cocoa, it differs in sugar and fat content. Cocoa may contain up to 23% fat and 5% sugar while carob has .7% fat and a natural sugar content of 42-48%.

Nutritionally, carob has none of the allergy-producing antibodies or the caffeine stimulant theobromine found in the cocoa bean. Carob contains as much vitamin B1 as asparagus or strawberries, the same amount of niacin as lima beans, lentils or peas and more vitamin A than eggplant, asparagus and beets. It is also high in vitamin B2, calcium, magnesium and iron.

In addition to being a delicious and healthful foodstuff, carob powder is used as a tobacco flavoring and in the production of some pharmaceuticals."



Matthew 3:1-6 (KJV) In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan

[Eric Hancock]

Moreh
I have already given my suits away,,Yahwey beat you to it he already touched my heart to give them away to memebers of the church...I am a 48-50 long and 40 waiste,,I have a few left would you like one??? you see the more I give the more Yah give back,,I have Joseph Aboud and Versace's as well as Aramani, I have also leather caots that you'll never see as well as BEAVER furs and BEAR furs and I had them before the ministry so NEVER congregation Money here,,LOL,,I dont like dreads my brother I dont have the head for them..But as far as John Baptist eaten grasshoppers,, and Locusthe did not eat real Locust only from the plant

[Eric Hancock]

I am not using cocain as a defense only the truth what GOD created you said what was written all things was created by him!! So how am I using it as a defense??..and you answered your own question GOD created it and man ran the wrong way with it...just as the same as fruit juice and wine..now about homosexuallity if you read that is an abomination wich surpasses sin it self..I get tired of people who support it as well as try to justify it ,,,GOD said not to do it ,,he created woman for man..I cannot tell people not to have sex because they're going to do it and not like before when everyone waited ,,everything now is the microwave mentallity,,QUICK..I am a Extremist for GOD?Yahweh well then let it be written when I think of extremist I think of OLD SCHOOL verses NEW School...the old school was the ORIGINAL school,,and I try not to overpower what Peter,John ,Pual,and especially not Judas over Yahshua..I get sick sometimes when I ask what did Jesus say ,,,well Paul said this and that,,what is GOD saying??? You see what he said created the Heavens and Earth,,what everyone else says causes problems...OH yeah the reason that I have a Camel hair coat is because I use to travel over the world and I would purchase items during Transit...agian I see this is a very Detailed topic so do what you want and I will do the same

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

A camel skin blazer? Ok John! LOL

Using cocaine as a defense isn't exactly right, because like I said, "all things were made by HIM and for HIM". Crack, cocaine smoking weed and the like are a perverted version of the original and natural substance. They originally had great medical use for pain killers and other treatments. If a person gets high off of paint, do you plan on banning it totally from the market? Think quick, because its already happening! Homosexuality is a perverted form of sex. So what do we do, stop having sex altogether? Tell that to the husbands and wives here in BPN! Extremes are wrong, either way you go. An extremist for sin is a sure goner; however, there have been extremists for GOD that were dead wrong too. Look at Judas, Peter, and Paul.

[Eric Hancock]

John the Baptist had a calling on his name as I said in another comment,,I used John the Baptist as an example of his purness for the Gospel,,Jesus did turn water into wine it seems everyone uses that scripture almost like there scripture shopping to accommadate sin..I heard one person say IT MUST BE OK BECAUSE JESUS MADE IT FOR US!!! Without really reading and researching that he made it to manifest his Glory ALL THINGS MADE BY HIM??? well so was weed and cocain is from the cocain plant and placed in a pool of water stamped on for seven hours Lye added to it strained into stockings,the residue that is left it is left out to dry molded into 2.2 pounds and wrapped and sold,,in third world countries a KILO is $500 in america it is $17,000 GOD amde that as well as well as the POPPY PLANT..Now I have heard that people in different countries drink and live longer,,TRUE or NOT God only knows,,BUT,,,people did not start eating meat til after the flood and they lived to be I believe 800yrs.and more,,AGAIN do as you please I choose not to..I have my reasons..and by the way I do own camel skin Blazers and Moh hair sweaters as well