I realize that you do not know the Holy Scriptures. It seems to me that you look after popularity on the Black Preaching network by pleasing the women and leading them astray.
Let me tell you that in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women still exists.
Indeed, Jesus-Christ said this:
“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:18-19
Why, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies Paul referred to Genesis 3:16?
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
Timothy 2:12-15
“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:16
If in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women no more exists, tell me why Paul, a preacher of the NEW COVENANT, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies did refer to Genesis 3:16?
PLEASE, RECOGNIZE YOUR DAY AND ITS MESSAGE: THE END TIME MESSAGE!
Before the Return of Jesus Christ all who truly belong to the church of Jesus Christ have to return to the original doctrine and practice of the apostles and by faith and obedience being brought in perfect harmony with God and His Word.
”He who has an ear, let me hear what the Spirit says to the Churches”
I know that you love and usually use rethoric, philosophy and analogies, traditions, carnal definitions and so on to to support your false teachings!
This time, my question to you is very simple, so please, let us not philosophize about it.
Please answer me!
According to Luke 8:1-3, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
According to Luke 8:1-3, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Feel free to call me Satan, Devil, Demon, Lucifer and whatever you want.
But remember that you have said this above:
"I will prepare myself in kind and rebuke every Satanic attack that comes forth".
So, please, take your Bible and prepare yourself to answer my question below:
Indeed, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
Luke 8:1-3
Now, tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Besides, I'm not Satan, but I'm a true preacher of the good news. But, you dislike me simply because the Bible says:
“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths".
2 Timothy 4:3-4
I understand your reactions and your state of mind!
Indeed, some false teachers have led you astray for many years.
Today, It is time to come back to what the Bible truly teaches (Acts 17:11).
Above all, know that I love you all and I will never call you Satan even if we disagree on some points (Philippians 3:15).
May God open your eyes my beloved sisters in Christ!
Sister Lee Ann Marino, your post above is senseless, simply because you do not understand your own statement.
If your own mind had been renewed according to Romans 12:1-2 you would have never used the Title APOSTLE, while being a woman.
Sister, please prepare yourself to answer my question below:
Indeed, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
Luke 8:1-3
Now, tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
I want to share this information with you in love.
First of all, I’d like to tell you that the problem lies in the fact that God has established a hierarchisation of the things. But you are opposed to that and you want to dispute thus with God.
The bible declares that “…the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1Corinthians 11:3).
Moreover: “…the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man (V.7-9).
You do not want to admit that the man is the chief of the woman but you recognize that he’s the matrimonial head of the woman.
Why isn’t the woman a matrimonial head? Why? Read your Bible again.
Don’t you know that the responsibility of the man underlies authority? If the responsibility given to man by God to exert a ministry implies the authority of the man, doesn’t the responsibility conferred to him by God to be the head of the woman imply also the authority of the man? ( 2 Corinthians 13:9-10, Ephesians 4: 11-12).
Brother Paul said:
“We are glad whenever we are weak but you are strong; and our prayer is for your perfection. This is why I write these things when I am absent, that when I come I may not have to be harsh in my use of authority-the authority the Lord gave me for building you up, not for tearing you down.”
2 Corinthians 13:9-10
Don’t you know that the authority that Christ exerts towards His church is comparable to that which must exert the man towards the woman?
Man has an authority which was conferred to him by God. But this authority does not consist in crushing the woman, but on the contrary in building her up. Amen!
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.” AMEN!!!
Ephesians 5:22-24
Compared to man woman is a weaker partner?
“Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers”.
1 Peter 3:7
There’s no debate to be made in connection with the Authority of the man towards the woman since “…neither was man created for woman, but woman for man”
Man headship indicates Authority. Of course! Husbands ought to be owners of their wives according to the Bible (1 Peter 3: 6).
I’d like to tell you that in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women still exists.
Indeed, Jesus-Christ said this:
“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:18-19
Why, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies Paul referred to Genesis 3:16?
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
Timothy 2:12-15
“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:16
If in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women no more exists, tell me why Paul, a preacher of the new covenant, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies did refer to Genesis 3:16?
These differences in roles are valid as well in the family as in the Church of Christ (Ephesians 5:22-33).
The woman must adopt this same submissive attitude in her family as in the Assembly of the Saints. Because the Church starts in our houses (Titus 1:6-8; Titus 2:3-5).
Do you think that there’s a difference between Ephesians 5:22-33 and Galatians 3:28?
I believe that you have not understood Galatians 3:28 yet. As for the Holy Bible, it contains no contradiction! You need a revelation to understand the word of God!
What does Galatians 3: 28 say? It states that “WE ARE ALL ONE IN JESUS-CHRIST (Acts 15:8-9; Romans 3:21-31; 10: 12-13)
« There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:28
Consequently: “So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.”
2 Corinthians 5:16
“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Romans 10:12-13
The unicity in the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit baptism does not imply the suppression of the question of gender bias. It does not mean that the man and the woman have from now on the same roles or the same attributions in Christ.
The body of Christ is made up of several members. Each member however has a determined role to carry out:
“The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body - whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free - and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.”
1 Corinthians 12:12-31
The woman has a great role to play in the body of Christ. However, as we will further see she should not become a Pastor, an overseer of a church. No!!!! It’s the exclusive role of men called by God Himself. Amen!!!
If being a Pastor represents being a hand, then a woman who is a foot should not say:” Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body” (1 Corinthians 12:15)
If being a Pastor represents being an eye, then a woman who is an ear should not say:” Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body” (1 Corinthians 12:16)
O you women, recognize your position please!
If you usurp the place of the men, then you are comparable to members of the body of Christ which are opposed to the order established by God Himself.
In the same way, in Christ, the husband and the wife are called to live harmoniously, but the problems occur in the family when the latter refuses to recognize her place and breaks that order. Then instability takes place. I insist to say that the need of Harmony in the family doesn’t imply that the woman and the man should have the same position or authority. Their relation is guided by the complementarity. Woman is a helpmate for man. But man is the chief of woman. Here is the true harmony.
This is similar in the Church of the Lord. Woman should not dominate Man. There’s no difference between the home and the church:
” Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church - for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery -but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.”
Ephesians 5:22-33
There is not a difference between your home and the church.
Please read Ephesians 5:22-33 carefully, and you’ll realize that there’s no difference between the home and the church.
Why has Paul prohibited women to teach, but asked them to remain silent in the churches?
Simply because God is God of order. The preaching of the woman in the church is a disorder. Preaching in the church is not the role assigned by God to the woman.
“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”
1 Corinthians 14:33-37
You need a revelation to understand the Epistles of Paul which deal with the position of women in the assemblies.
The old women can teach the young women. The women can exhort one another), of course!
“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
Titus 2:3-5
They can testify as the Samaritan woman did:
"Come; see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Christ?"
John 4:29
They can pray or prophesy (1 Corinthians 11:4-5).
However, they do not have the right to be put behind the pulpit to teach the Word of God, in the Assemblies of the Saints, in the presence of the men and the women.
I think that the Bible is sufficiently clear.
If Peter were alive He would take part in this discussion by saying this:
"So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction".
2 Peter 3:14-16
Moreover, tell me why speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies Paul referred to Genesis 3:16?
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
Timothy 2:12-15
“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:16
Why? Tell me why?
Paul knew that the man and the woman were equal at the beginning. But the woman lost this position after the transgression (original sin). Since this time the man was to dominate the woman. It was a consecutive punishment of the sin of the woman.
Brother Paul knew that this imposed sanction with regard of the woman was always in force in the new covenant because the law was not abolished (Matthew 5:18), but Jesus-Christ came to perfect it.
This is not a simple opinion of Paul but he took care to specify the motivation or the biblical base of what he said. He even insisted to say that it was the “Lord’s command”.
O you women, do you want to obey the command of the Lord or on the contrary, do you want obstinately to fulfil your own will? Do as you think fit, but let me tell you that the Word of God is immutable. You ought to comply. It’s not the Word of God who owes to adapt to your suitabilities.
Some theologians believe that this passage (1 Timothy 2:12) was addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus. Let me tell you therefore that this is their own belief, their own feeling, their own thought. It’s not what the Bible truly says.
The Bible says that:
« All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Please tell me, were the verses 9 and 10 of the same chapter 2 of Timothy, related to woman’s clothing also addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus? I don’t think so!
If this passage (1 Timothy 2:12) was addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus, why did Paul refer to Genesis 3:16?
Women, you are MOTHERS. THIS IS YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. Amen!
Women, you must labour, you must toil, you must strive, you must pray, you must intercede; you must endeavour to support the work of God as MOTHERS.
You should not become pastors.
The Bible says: “But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
1 Timothy 2:15
This is your true position in Jesus-Christ. As good mothers you ought to teach what is good to your daughters:”
“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
Titus 2:3-5
Old women should not train the younger women to become pastors or to hold authority over men. But they should teach them to become also good mothers, loving their husbands and children, being self-controlled and pure, being busy at home, being kind, and being subject to their husbands.
Women, this is your role as members of the body of Christ. You have many things to do.
Then, do not usurp the role of the men. Not only you must teach the younger women but also your behavior owes to be a preaching for your husbands:
“Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
1 Peter 3:1-6
Some people think that “Jesus issued His first gospel commission to women (see Matt. 28:1-10)”
Please, tell me can commission issued to women make them Pastors or Evangelists? No!
For example, can we assert that the Samaritan woman was a Pastor an Evangelist (John 4: 28-30)?
I don’t think so! Admittedly she was not sent by Jesus but she also made a testimony concerning Jesus-Christ.
Some people think that “… both men and women were empowered to preach on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4)”
Is it what the Bible truly says? No!
Admittedly, all of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them, but only the twelve disciples (MEN ONLY) were entitled to teach on the day Pentecost:
“Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: "Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.”
Acts 2:14
Please, Show me in the Bible where a woman has been called an Evangelist or a Pastor!
Please show me!!!
In the Bible, Philippe (A MAN) was the only one who has been called “EVANGELIST” expressly:
« Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the EVANGELIST, one of the Seven.”
Acts 21:8
Timothy (A MAN) as for him was exhorted to make work of an EVANGELIST:
« But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry”.
2 Timothy 4:5
Moreover, the Overseer or the Bishop of an assembly must be a MAN:
“Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the HUSBAND of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.”
1 Timothy 3:1-7
“The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. An elder must be blameless, the HUSBAND of but one wife, a MAN whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless - not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.”
Titus 1:5-9
In Israel were there women among the descendants of Levi who became priests? No!
“Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people - that is, their brothers - even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. This MAN, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. In the one case, the tenth is collected by MEN who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham”.
Hebrews 7:5-9
Let me tell you that God was against and He is still against women being overseers and holding authority over men. AMEN!
The prophets established by God in the church belong to the five ministries (Ephesians 4:11).
The gift of prophecy is one of the nine gifts of the Spirit (1Corinthians 12).
In the Old Testament, are mentioned the prophetess Miriam (Exodus 15), the prophetess Deborah (Judges 4), the prophetess Hulda (2 Kings 22), the prophetess to whom Isaiah went (Isaiah 8:3) and so on.
In the New Testament we can mention the prophetess Anna (Luke 2: 36-38).
But none of those women has become an Overseer in the church.
Anna was not a Teacher or an Overseer; she never left the temple though. She worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. Can we insinuate that Anna was an Overseer because she never left the temple? No! Anna knew her place in the church. She interceded to support the work of God.
Women, this is what you must do instead of running towards the Pulpit. Please leave the pulpit; it’s not your place!
Your duty is to pray, to intercede night and day in order to support the men of God as Priscilla and Aquila did aside Paul.
Woman’s place is behind.
For example, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
Luke 8:1-3
Tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Overseers or Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Yes, woman’s place is behind!
All those women never hold authority over men, they new their role, their place in the church.
All that belongs to God’s salvation plan was revealed to the prophets and apostles (Ephesians 3:5; Revelation 10:7).
The Ministries and the gifts must be placed correctly in their divine order and left in their place.
No woman was leader in the early church. The Holy Scriptures never state that Priscilla, Chloe or Phoebe were leaders or Overseers in the Church.
Priscilla and Aquila were fellow workers of Paul (Romans 16:3).
For example, Deborah was the felow worker of Barak, but she was not the leader of Israel, Barak was. It’s not because Deborah prophesied and accompanied Barak to Kedesh that she was the leader of Israel at that time. Deborah played her role as a MOTHER not as a man or an Overseer. The Bible declares: “Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day the LORD has given Sisera into your hands” (Judges 4:14). Amen!
It was the same thing for Priscilla and Aquila aside Paul. Being felow workers of Paul doesn’t necessarily mean that they were leaders in the early church. No!
Junias also was not an Apostle. There’s no contradiction in the Bible.
This is what the Bible truly says:
”Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.”
Romans 16:7
The Bible, The New International Version says “JUNIAS”. “JUNIAS” is a Latin name. Junias was a Man, a Christian of Rome, relative and ancient companion of captivity of Paul.
No woman was an “apostle” in a sense equivalent to that of Peter and Paul.
A woman can prophesy according to Joel 2:28 and 1 Corinthians 11: 4-5 but, she is not entitled to oversee a church. No!
The Gospel is not our own word; it’s the Word of God. Consequently, it should not be influenced by our belief, our feeling and our own thoughts.
Let’s see what Paul said:
“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”
1 Corinthians 14:33-37
Was Paul referring to “the Corinthian culture and its laws”?
Paul truly said:
1- “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches”
What Paul said was concerning not only the Church of Corinth but also all churches of the saints in the whole world.
2- “They must be in submission as the Law says.”
The law here is the Law of God. This Law can be found in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3: 1.
This is the reason why the same Paul, speaking about the attitude of the women in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14) referred to Genesis 3:16.
Paul was not referring to the particular Law of Corinthians. No!
The teachings of Paul can never be based on the rules taught by men. Never! I say never!
“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”(Mark 7:7)
3- Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?”
Indeed, The Word of God didn’t originate with Corinthians. Moreover, they are not the only people it has reached. The Word of God is universal and identical for all the congregations of the Saints. Consequently, Paul did not speak about the particular culture of the Corinthians, insofar as there is only one faith (Ephesians 4: 5)
4- “The Lord's command”
What Paul did say was not his own opinion; it was the Lord’s command. Amen!
Women of God, Do you really Love the Lord? If you truly love Him, then you should obey His command, for the Lord Jesus said:
"If you love me, you will obey what I command.”
John 14:15
Do not harden your heart anymore but leave the pulpit to men of God. Recognize your place! Please recognize that your place is behind! Amen!
The scripture which clearly prohibited the Corinthians and Ephesians women from teaching is the Lord’s command. That is valid for the women of all the congregations of the saints (of any time).
That scripture was valid for Deborah, Anna, Priscilla, Phoebe, Mary, Tryphena, Tryphisa, Euodia, Syntyche and son on. And it’s valid for the women of today.
Priscilla never taught Apollos (Acts 18:24-26).
The Bible truly says that “Priscilla and Aquila heard him; they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.”
An explanation given to a man of God could not make Priscilla and her husband Pastors. A simple member of a church can explain something to any one more adequately. I’m not a Pastor but I’m preaching on your network. I’m explaining to women of God the way of God adequately. Am I not?
Moreover, Genesis 1:27 can never justify women called into ministry. It’s true that God created male and female. But the Woman is a weaker partner (1 Peter 3:7). Her place is behind.
When she does anything that is contrary to the word of God she is walking in disobedience:
« Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling”.
Revelation 2: 20-21
We need to be living by the word. Anyone is saying that women are not being used in the body of Christ. The scriptures are clear about the roles of women: They must be good mothers. They can prophesy. They should pray. They ought to fast and intercede (pray) day and night as Anna did to support the Work of God.
They should also imitate those women who were helping to support Jesus-Christ and the twelve out of their own means (Luke 8:1-3).
Woman, this is your position!
“He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
John 8:47
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
I hear what your spirit is saying and you are right the devil does come to steal, kill and destroy. That is why bigotry, prejudice, condemnation or false teachings are on the rise. The bible does say beware of false prophets. I will say again I know who I am and who's I am.
I'm not a harasser or a hunter of the women preachers as someone used to tell you. No!
But I'm here to warn you
But I'm here to tell you the truth
Because I love you
I know that what I'm teaching you conflicts with your belief or what some people have taught you.
Please, hear what the Spirit says to the Churches, before it is too late.
With regard to your query, I do invite you to search and read my blog posts and my message entitled: WOMEN OF GOD, ARE YOU REALLY CONSCIOUS OF THE KEY ROLE THAT YOU OUGHT TO PLAY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST?
Dear sister in Christ, above all, I love you.
This is the reason why I feel obliged to tell you the TRUTH(1 Timothy 3:15)
Who was Deborah and what was her place, Junias regarded as an apostle walked alongside Paul. Where, Man of God does it say that God only calls men to preach to feed his sheep does it not also say in the bible that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh, it did not exclude women. I will not debate this with you, I know who I am and whose I am. I have not had any doubt about my calling. You should be rejoicing that God is calling Men and Women to harvest, I don't know about you but I don't want no rocks crying out for me. I pray that your tunnelvision will not hinder your walk or salvation. End of discussion.
Be Blessed
god bless u woman of god now i know you you are god child . and you have a brother for life. who is my mother,sister .brother those that do the will of the father. nad one that take away not from the word,nor add to the word it is what it is.
"I am a Woman Minister chosen by God with a spiritual mandate to preach, teach and live the Word of God..."
OK!
WOMEN, DO AS YOU THINK FIT!
BUT, AT THE SAME TIME GET READY TO EXPLAIN CORRECTLY 1 TIMOTHY 2:12 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:34 BEFORE JESUS CHRIST IN THE HEAVEN!
LET US STOP THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
WOMEN, PLEASE, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AND KEEP ON FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF YOUR FAVORITE THEOLOGIANS(2 Timothy 4:3-4), BUT GET READY TO EXPLAIN CORRECTLY 1 TIMOTHY 2:12 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:34 BEFORE JESUS CHRIST IN THE HEAVEN.
MAYBE YOU ARE A Ph.D. HOLDERS AND YOU ARE GOOD LECTURERS, BUT GET READY TO EXPLAIN CORRECTLY 1 TIMOTHY 2:12 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:34 BEFORE JESUS CHRIST IN THE HEAVEN.
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I realize that you do not know the Holy Scriptures. It seems to me that you look after popularity on the Black Preaching network by pleasing the women and leading them astray.
Let me tell you that in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women still exists.
Indeed, Jesus-Christ said this:
“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:18-19
Why, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies Paul referred to Genesis 3:16?
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
Timothy 2:12-15
“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:16
If in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women no more exists, tell me why Paul, a preacher of the NEW COVENANT, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies did refer to Genesis 3:16?
PLEASE TELL ME WHY?
Bro. Germain
"Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar".
Proverbs 30:6
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
What is the move of God in this end time?
ANSWER:
PLEASE, RECOGNIZE YOUR DAY AND ITS MESSAGE: THE END TIME MESSAGE!
Before the Return of Jesus Christ all who truly belong to the church of Jesus Christ have to return to the original doctrine and practice of the apostles and by faith and obedience being brought in perfect harmony with God and His Word.
”He who has an ear, let me hear what the Spirit says to the Churches”
Revelation 3:22
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GOD BLESS YOU !
Bro. Germain
I know you very well.
I know that you love and usually use rethoric, philosophy and analogies, traditions, carnal definitions and so on to to support your false teachings!
This time, my question to you is very simple, so please, let us not philosophize about it.
Please answer me!
According to Luke 8:1-3, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
YES OR NO!
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
You are welcome!
According to Luke 8:1-3, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
Feel free to call me Satan, Devil, Demon, Lucifer and whatever you want.
But remember that you have said this above:
"I will prepare myself in kind and rebuke every Satanic attack that comes forth".
So, please, take your Bible and prepare yourself to answer my question below:
Indeed, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
Luke 8:1-3
Now, tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Besides, I'm not Satan, but I'm a true preacher of the good news. But, you dislike me simply because the Bible says:
“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths".
2 Timothy 4:3-4
I understand your reactions and your state of mind!
Indeed, some false teachers have led you astray for many years.
Today, It is time to come back to what the Bible truly teaches (Acts 17:11).
Above all, know that I love you all and I will never call you Satan even if we disagree on some points (Philippians 3:15).
May God open your eyes my beloved sisters in Christ!
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
Sister Lee Ann Marino, your post above is senseless, simply because you do not understand your own statement.
If your own mind had been renewed according to Romans 12:1-2 you would have never used the Title APOSTLE, while being a woman.
Sister, please prepare yourself to answer my question below:
Indeed, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
Luke 8:1-3
Now, tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
You sound like Jezebel.
Yes, you look like Jezebel!
Moreover, let me tell you that I'm married to a godly and beautiful woman the 15th of November 2008. I love her too much.
I've been praying for many years and God provided me a godly woman. Amen!
We have no problem since we got married. My wife is pregnant now and we are waiting for our first son.
So, don't you see that your view point above is false?
May God forgive you.
Besides, if I'm really blind and spiritually death, please, take your Bible and show it.
Please, do not pray for me!
YOU ARE THO ONE WHO NEEDS A PRAYER, SPIRITUALLY BLIND JEZEBEL!
I love you though!
May God open your eyes!
Bro. Germain
MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES DEAR SISTER!
BLESSINGS,
BRO. GERMAIN
I want to share this information with you in love.
First of all, I’d like to tell you that the problem lies in the fact that God has established a hierarchisation of the things. But you are opposed to that and you want to dispute thus with God.
The bible declares that “…the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1Corinthians 11:3).
Moreover: “…the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man (V.7-9).
You do not want to admit that the man is the chief of the woman but you recognize that he’s the matrimonial head of the woman.
Why isn’t the woman a matrimonial head? Why? Read your Bible again.
Don’t you know that the responsibility of the man underlies authority? If the responsibility given to man by God to exert a ministry implies the authority of the man, doesn’t the responsibility conferred to him by God to be the head of the woman imply also the authority of the man? ( 2 Corinthians 13:9-10, Ephesians 4: 11-12).
Brother Paul said:
“We are glad whenever we are weak but you are strong; and our prayer is for your perfection. This is why I write these things when I am absent, that when I come I may not have to be harsh in my use of authority-the authority the Lord gave me for building you up, not for tearing you down.”
2 Corinthians 13:9-10
Don’t you know that the authority that Christ exerts towards His church is comparable to that which must exert the man towards the woman?
Man has an authority which was conferred to him by God. But this authority does not consist in crushing the woman, but on the contrary in building her up. Amen!
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.” AMEN!!!
Ephesians 5:22-24
Compared to man woman is a weaker partner?
“Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers”.
1 Peter 3:7
There’s no debate to be made in connection with the Authority of the man towards the woman since “…neither was man created for woman, but woman for man”
Man headship indicates Authority. Of course! Husbands ought to be owners of their wives according to the Bible (1 Peter 3: 6).
I’d like to tell you that in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women still exists.
Indeed, Jesus-Christ said this:
“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:18-19
Why, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies Paul referred to Genesis 3:16?
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
Timothy 2:12-15
“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:16
If in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women no more exists, tell me why Paul, a preacher of the new covenant, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies did refer to Genesis 3:16?
These differences in roles are valid as well in the family as in the Church of Christ (Ephesians 5:22-33).
The woman must adopt this same submissive attitude in her family as in the Assembly of the Saints. Because the Church starts in our houses (Titus 1:6-8; Titus 2:3-5).
Do you think that there’s a difference between Ephesians 5:22-33 and Galatians 3:28?
I believe that you have not understood Galatians 3:28 yet. As for the Holy Bible, it contains no contradiction! You need a revelation to understand the word of God!
What does Galatians 3: 28 say? It states that “WE ARE ALL ONE IN JESUS-CHRIST (Acts 15:8-9; Romans 3:21-31; 10: 12-13)
« There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:28
Consequently: “So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.”
2 Corinthians 5:16
“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Romans 10:12-13
The unicity in the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit baptism does not imply the suppression of the question of gender bias. It does not mean that the man and the woman have from now on the same roles or the same attributions in Christ.
The body of Christ is made up of several members. Each member however has a determined role to carry out:
“The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body - whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free - and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.”
1 Corinthians 12:12-31
The woman has a great role to play in the body of Christ. However, as we will further see she should not become a Pastor, an overseer of a church. No!!!! It’s the exclusive role of men called by God Himself. Amen!!!
If being a Pastor represents being a hand, then a woman who is a foot should not say:” Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body” (1 Corinthians 12:15)
If being a Pastor represents being an eye, then a woman who is an ear should not say:” Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body” (1 Corinthians 12:16)
O you women, recognize your position please!
If you usurp the place of the men, then you are comparable to members of the body of Christ which are opposed to the order established by God Himself.
In the same way, in Christ, the husband and the wife are called to live harmoniously, but the problems occur in the family when the latter refuses to recognize her place and breaks that order. Then instability takes place. I insist to say that the need of Harmony in the family doesn’t imply that the woman and the man should have the same position or authority. Their relation is guided by the complementarity. Woman is a helpmate for man. But man is the chief of woman. Here is the true harmony.
This is similar in the Church of the Lord. Woman should not dominate Man. There’s no difference between the home and the church:
” Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church - for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery -but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.”
Ephesians 5:22-33
There is not a difference between your home and the church.
Please read Ephesians 5:22-33 carefully, and you’ll realize that there’s no difference between the home and the church.
Why has Paul prohibited women to teach, but asked them to remain silent in the churches?
Simply because God is God of order. The preaching of the woman in the church is a disorder. Preaching in the church is not the role assigned by God to the woman.
“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”
1 Corinthians 14:33-37
You need a revelation to understand the Epistles of Paul which deal with the position of women in the assemblies.
The old women can teach the young women. The women can exhort one another), of course!
“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
Titus 2:3-5
They can testify as the Samaritan woman did:
"Come; see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Christ?"
John 4:29
They can pray or prophesy (1 Corinthians 11:4-5).
However, they do not have the right to be put behind the pulpit to teach the Word of God, in the Assemblies of the Saints, in the presence of the men and the women.
I think that the Bible is sufficiently clear.
If Peter were alive He would take part in this discussion by saying this:
"So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction".
2 Peter 3:14-16
Moreover, tell me why speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies Paul referred to Genesis 3:16?
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
Timothy 2:12-15
“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:16
Why? Tell me why?
Paul knew that the man and the woman were equal at the beginning. But the woman lost this position after the transgression (original sin). Since this time the man was to dominate the woman. It was a consecutive punishment of the sin of the woman.
Brother Paul knew that this imposed sanction with regard of the woman was always in force in the new covenant because the law was not abolished (Matthew 5:18), but Jesus-Christ came to perfect it.
This is not a simple opinion of Paul but he took care to specify the motivation or the biblical base of what he said. He even insisted to say that it was the “Lord’s command”.
O you women, do you want to obey the command of the Lord or on the contrary, do you want obstinately to fulfil your own will? Do as you think fit, but let me tell you that the Word of God is immutable. You ought to comply. It’s not the Word of God who owes to adapt to your suitabilities.
Some theologians believe that this passage (1 Timothy 2:12) was addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus. Let me tell you therefore that this is their own belief, their own feeling, their own thought. It’s not what the Bible truly says.
The Bible says that:
« All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Please tell me, were the verses 9 and 10 of the same chapter 2 of Timothy, related to woman’s clothing also addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus? I don’t think so!
If this passage (1 Timothy 2:12) was addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus, why did Paul refer to Genesis 3:16?
Women, you are MOTHERS. THIS IS YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. Amen!
Women, you must labour, you must toil, you must strive, you must pray, you must intercede; you must endeavour to support the work of God as MOTHERS.
You should not become pastors.
The Bible says: “But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
1 Timothy 2:15
This is your true position in Jesus-Christ. As good mothers you ought to teach what is good to your daughters:”
“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
Titus 2:3-5
Old women should not train the younger women to become pastors or to hold authority over men. But they should teach them to become also good mothers, loving their husbands and children, being self-controlled and pure, being busy at home, being kind, and being subject to their husbands.
Women, this is your role as members of the body of Christ. You have many things to do.
Then, do not usurp the role of the men. Not only you must teach the younger women but also your behavior owes to be a preaching for your husbands:
“Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
1 Peter 3:1-6
Some people think that “Jesus issued His first gospel commission to women (see Matt. 28:1-10)”
Please, tell me can commission issued to women make them Pastors or Evangelists? No!
For example, can we assert that the Samaritan woman was a Pastor an Evangelist (John 4: 28-30)?
I don’t think so! Admittedly she was not sent by Jesus but she also made a testimony concerning Jesus-Christ.
Some people think that “… both men and women were empowered to preach on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4)”
Is it what the Bible truly says? No!
Admittedly, all of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them, but only the twelve disciples (MEN ONLY) were entitled to teach on the day Pentecost:
“Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: "Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.”
Acts 2:14
Please, Show me in the Bible where a woman has been called an Evangelist or a Pastor!
Please show me!!!
In the Bible, Philippe (A MAN) was the only one who has been called “EVANGELIST” expressly:
« Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the EVANGELIST, one of the Seven.”
Acts 21:8
Timothy (A MAN) as for him was exhorted to make work of an EVANGELIST:
« But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry”.
2 Timothy 4:5
Moreover, the Overseer or the Bishop of an assembly must be a MAN:
“Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the HUSBAND of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.”
1 Timothy 3:1-7
“The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. An elder must be blameless, the HUSBAND of but one wife, a MAN whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless - not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.”
Titus 1:5-9
In Israel were there women among the descendants of Levi who became priests? No!
“Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people - that is, their brothers - even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. This MAN, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. In the one case, the tenth is collected by MEN who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham”.
Hebrews 7:5-9
Let me tell you that God was against and He is still against women being overseers and holding authority over men. AMEN!
The prophets established by God in the church belong to the five ministries (Ephesians 4:11).
The gift of prophecy is one of the nine gifts of the Spirit (1Corinthians 12).
In the Old Testament, are mentioned the prophetess Miriam (Exodus 15), the prophetess Deborah (Judges 4), the prophetess Hulda (2 Kings 22), the prophetess to whom Isaiah went (Isaiah 8:3) and so on.
In the New Testament we can mention the prophetess Anna (Luke 2: 36-38).
But none of those women has become an Overseer in the church.
Anna was not a Teacher or an Overseer; she never left the temple though. She worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. Can we insinuate that Anna was an Overseer because she never left the temple? No! Anna knew her place in the church. She interceded to support the work of God.
Women, this is what you must do instead of running towards the Pulpit. Please leave the pulpit; it’s not your place!
Your duty is to pray, to intercede night and day in order to support the men of God as Priscilla and Aquila did aside Paul.
Woman’s place is behind.
For example, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
Luke 8:1-3
Tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Overseers or Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Yes, woman’s place is behind!
All those women never hold authority over men, they new their role, their place in the church.
All that belongs to God’s salvation plan was revealed to the prophets and apostles (Ephesians 3:5; Revelation 10:7).
The Ministries and the gifts must be placed correctly in their divine order and left in their place.
No woman was leader in the early church. The Holy Scriptures never state that Priscilla, Chloe or Phoebe were leaders or Overseers in the Church.
Priscilla and Aquila were fellow workers of Paul (Romans 16:3).
For example, Deborah was the felow worker of Barak, but she was not the leader of Israel, Barak was. It’s not because Deborah prophesied and accompanied Barak to Kedesh that she was the leader of Israel at that time. Deborah played her role as a MOTHER not as a man or an Overseer. The Bible declares: “Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day the LORD has given Sisera into your hands” (Judges 4:14). Amen!
It was the same thing for Priscilla and Aquila aside Paul. Being felow workers of Paul doesn’t necessarily mean that they were leaders in the early church. No!
Junias also was not an Apostle. There’s no contradiction in the Bible.
This is what the Bible truly says:
”Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.”
Romans 16:7
The Bible, The New International Version says “JUNIAS”. “JUNIAS” is a Latin name. Junias was a Man, a Christian of Rome, relative and ancient companion of captivity of Paul.
No woman was an “apostle” in a sense equivalent to that of Peter and Paul.
Please, consult the links below:
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1073-the-first-woman-apost...”
http://www.enjoyinggodministries.com/article/men-and-women-in-minis...
A woman can prophesy according to Joel 2:28 and 1 Corinthians 11: 4-5 but, she is not entitled to oversee a church. No!
The Gospel is not our own word; it’s the Word of God. Consequently, it should not be influenced by our belief, our feeling and our own thoughts.
Let’s see what Paul said:
“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”
1 Corinthians 14:33-37
Was Paul referring to “the Corinthian culture and its laws”?
Paul truly said:
1- “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches”
What Paul said was concerning not only the Church of Corinth but also all churches of the saints in the whole world.
2- “They must be in submission as the Law says.”
The law here is the Law of God. This Law can be found in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3: 1.
This is the reason why the same Paul, speaking about the attitude of the women in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14) referred to Genesis 3:16.
Paul was not referring to the particular Law of Corinthians. No!
The teachings of Paul can never be based on the rules taught by men. Never! I say never!
“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”(Mark 7:7)
3- Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?”
Indeed, The Word of God didn’t originate with Corinthians. Moreover, they are not the only people it has reached. The Word of God is universal and identical for all the congregations of the Saints. Consequently, Paul did not speak about the particular culture of the Corinthians, insofar as there is only one faith (Ephesians 4: 5)
4- “The Lord's command”
What Paul did say was not his own opinion; it was the Lord’s command. Amen!
Women of God, Do you really Love the Lord? If you truly love Him, then you should obey His command, for the Lord Jesus said:
"If you love me, you will obey what I command.”
John 14:15
Do not harden your heart anymore but leave the pulpit to men of God. Recognize your place! Please recognize that your place is behind! Amen!
The scripture which clearly prohibited the Corinthians and Ephesians women from teaching is the Lord’s command. That is valid for the women of all the congregations of the saints (of any time).
That scripture was valid for Deborah, Anna, Priscilla, Phoebe, Mary, Tryphena, Tryphisa, Euodia, Syntyche and son on. And it’s valid for the women of today.
Priscilla never taught Apollos (Acts 18:24-26).
The Bible truly says that “Priscilla and Aquila heard him; they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.”
An explanation given to a man of God could not make Priscilla and her husband Pastors. A simple member of a church can explain something to any one more adequately. I’m not a Pastor but I’m preaching on your network. I’m explaining to women of God the way of God adequately. Am I not?
Moreover, Genesis 1:27 can never justify women called into ministry. It’s true that God created male and female. But the Woman is a weaker partner (1 Peter 3:7). Her place is behind.
When she does anything that is contrary to the word of God she is walking in disobedience:
« Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling”.
Revelation 2: 20-21
We need to be living by the word. Anyone is saying that women are not being used in the body of Christ. The scriptures are clear about the roles of women: They must be good mothers. They can prophesy. They should pray. They ought to fast and intercede (pray) day and night as Anna did to support the Work of God.
They should also imitate those women who were helping to support Jesus-Christ and the twelve out of their own means (Luke 8:1-3).
Woman, this is your position!
“He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
John 8:47
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Revelation 3:22
May God bless you!
Bro. Germain
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2 Timothy 4:3-4
Bro. Germain
Be Blessed
Above all, know that I love you.
I'm not here to hate you.
I'm not here to insult you
I'm not here to trick you
I'm not a harasser or a hunter of the women preachers as someone used to tell you. No!
But I'm here to warn you
But I'm here to tell you the truth
Because I love you
I know that what I'm teaching you conflicts with your belief or what some people have taught you.
Please, hear what the Spirit says to the Churches, before it is too late.
With regard to your query, I do invite you to search and read my blog posts and my message entitled: WOMEN OF GOD, ARE YOU REALLY CONSCIOUS OF THE KEY ROLE THAT YOU OUGHT TO PLAY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST?
Dear sister in Christ, above all, I love you.
This is the reason why I feel obliged to tell you the TRUTH(1 Timothy 3:15)
May God enlighten you!
Your Brother Germain Delete Comment
Be Blessed
OK!
WOMEN, DO AS YOU THINK FIT!
BUT, AT THE SAME TIME GET READY TO EXPLAIN CORRECTLY 1 TIMOTHY 2:12 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:34 BEFORE JESUS CHRIST IN THE HEAVEN!
LET US STOP THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
WOMEN, PLEASE, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AND KEEP ON FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF YOUR FAVORITE THEOLOGIANS(2 Timothy 4:3-4), BUT GET READY TO EXPLAIN CORRECTLY 1 TIMOTHY 2:12 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:34 BEFORE JESUS CHRIST IN THE HEAVEN.
MAYBE YOU ARE A Ph.D. HOLDERS AND YOU ARE GOOD LECTURERS, BUT GET READY TO EXPLAIN CORRECTLY 1 TIMOTHY 2:12 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:34 BEFORE JESUS CHRIST IN THE HEAVEN.
That's all I can say! I'm fed up with this issue on the Black Preaching Network!
Please, do as you think fit. It lies on you to decide. Keep on preaching...But one day...
Bro. Germain
We are going to show you how to triple your membership at your church..!!
May God enlighten you!
You are innocent, you are a victim of a system and its pernicious doctrine.
I understand your state of mind.
Maybe, after many years brain wash, I realize that it is not easy for you to let down that theory.
But I will pray for you!
I'm not here to trick you, but to teach you the truth.
May God reveal this truth to you: THE DIVINITY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Your beloved brother Germain
You said:
"...Has anyone here said that there is more than ONE God?"
So we all agree that there is ONE GOD. But, that is not the question.
The Question lies in the fact that you fail to explain clearly your following theory:
"THREE PERSONS IN GOD"
And your common answer to that question is:
The holy Trinity is a mystery, nothing more, nothing less!
If that mystery has been revealed to you, then you must be able to explain it in light of the Holy Scriptures.
Father = one Person
The Son = one Person
Holy Spirit = one person
Father is God + Holy Spirit is God + The Son is God = THREE PERSONS = ONE God
One God + One God+ One God = THREE PERSONS = ONE God
Trinitarians fail to explain this difficult and absurd equation.
Is this the creed of the earlier Church?
No! The Holy Bible doesn't support this satanic doctrine.
What a funny doctrine!
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
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