At 12:04am on September 11, 2008, ShekinahLife said…
FYI,...J-sus was not in the 1611 version of the KJV it was Ieouses so Moreh may not be wrong as YAH'shua stated He did not come to destroy the Torah but to fulfill it [ Matt:5:v17-19]..In Hebrew Fulfill it' means to walk it out [ EG 1st john 2:v6 the Abiding walk]
Remember Judaism is the absolute root of the Faith and with out the Basic tenants and the Obedience to them We are all lost..
Young Man' It is all about Ha'Shem Duet. 6:v4-9
“for false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect - if that were possible.”
Mark 13:22
A Christ is the one who is anointed.
Our Lord “JESUS” is called “CHRIST” because He has been anointed:
“how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.”
Acts 10:38
A false Christ is the one who is anointed; he received the true unction from God but he teaches false(God can operate miracles by him, but this one teaches false).
A false Prophet is the one who is anointed; he received the true unction from God but he doesn’t follow the Word of God fully.
For example, Moses was a true Prophet of God, while Balaam was a false Prophet (Numbers 22:1-41).
Maybe, someone may ask:
Why doesn’t God take back His unction and His gifts from the false Christs and the false Prophets?
Simply because God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Amen!
“for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.”
Romans 11:28-29
The true Christs, the true Ministers of God or the true sons/daughters of God are the ones who have been born again not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever. AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
“having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,”
1 Peter 1:23
For more details, I do recommend you to visit the Web site below and to order the following booklet: "Three kinds of believers"
www.inthedaysofthevoice.com
God has already spoken by His Prophet. Please recognize your day and its Message.
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Yahweh of the old Testament is Jesus-Christ in the New Testament.
Those who saw God in the Old Testament saw Him in the form of Eternal (Yahweh) and those who want to see Him in New Testament have to see Him in the form of the lord Jesus, as Emmanuel, God with us (Matthew 1 :23).
That's how the Father showed Himself in the Son:
"No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him".
John 1:18
Jesus-Christ is the Almighty God. He is the True God and Eternal Life.
1 John 5:20.
"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,”says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:7-8
" looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works."
Titus 2:13-14
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever".
Hebrews 13:8
Yahweh of the old Testament is Jesus-Christ in the New Testament.
Jesus-Christ is the Christian God...
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Besides, the only chosen place, provided by God for worship is in Jesus Christ.
We enter the mystical body of Christ by means of the Holy Spirit baptism.
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body - whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free - and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.”
1 Corinthians12:13
The true adorers have to Worship in Spirit and truly. God is Spirit. Amen!!!!
John 4:24.
Jesus Christ has a single Church which is built on revelation.
“And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.”
Matthew 16:18
It is of this church that I am a member.
Did Jesus Christ create a denomination? NO!
THE CHRISTIAN GOD, NAMELY JESUS-CHRIST HAS CREATED NO DENOMINATION. BUT HE HAS ONE CHURCH WHICH BEARS HIS NAME.
The church has lost its intimacy and singleness of heart. There are terrible times in the last days (2 Timothy 3: 1-5). Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most grows cold (Matthew 24:12).
Yes, the Laodicean Church is neither cold nor hot (Revelation 3:14-15).
Since Jesus-Christ the bridegroom is a long time in coming, all the virgins become drowsy and fall asleep (Matthew 25:5).
However the Church, the bride of Jesus-Christ must awake (Ephesians 5:25-27; Matthew 16:18).
The wise virgins who take oil in jars along with their lamps must awake. The oil symbolizes the Holy Spirit. Jesus-Christ is making His Bride holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, in order to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.”
The stains and wrinkles represent the foreign and pernicious doctrines that the theologists add to the Word of God.
With this intention, we must turn to the End time message which is intended to prepare the bride of Jesus for the rapture. This alarm has already started and follows its course (continues).
I thank you brother Moreh Yehoshua Ben Yahweh for your contributions!!!
Now I’m addressing all the Gentile believers.
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,
No ransom is more invaluable than that which was offered by Jesus - Christ, namely His own blood. By presenting the value of this ransom in the Heaven, Jesus released the descendants of Adam from the sin and dead of which they all were slaves in consequence of the disobedience of their common ancestor.
“Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:19-22
But WHAT did the Apostles say concerning us?
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
Acts 15:19-21
This is not my own opinion, it is written and the Bible recommends to us not to go beyond what is written:
“Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.”
1 Corinthians 4:6
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
Finally, let us retain that WE SHOULD NOT ASK GENTILE BELIEVERS TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH.
“He, who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
You teach grace but what does grace mean? What does “to live under the grace” mean?
The grace is the undeserved favour that God, in His love, grants to the sinner who repents. This grace brings him salvation:
“For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.”
Titus 2:11
“made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions - it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God”
Ephesians 2:5-8
You said:
“If there is no Law then sin would abound because sin is the transgression of the Law 1st John 3:4.”
The law is not abolished But Jesus came to perfect the law, because the law can not save anybody:
“For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:19-21
The grace is higher than the law. It’s not because we live under the grace that we owe to sin more, No!
On the contrary the grace “… teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope -the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.”
Titus 2:12-14
Don’t you know that the grace is more requiring than the Law?
"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Matthew 19:7-12
Jesus said:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
The law is blind and intransigent but the grace forgives:
“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
John 8:3-11
Through the Grace God justifies freely the sinner who repents (Romans 2:24-25).
“But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life”.
Titus 3:4-7
The grace and the truth came through Jesus Christ: “
« For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17
The grace accompanies the believer during his life (1 Corinthians 15:10, 2 Corinthians 12:9 and He can be strengthened in it :
“You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.”
2 Timothy 2: 1
Such a believer who walks in the grace of Jesus-Christ cannot walk any more according to the law.
But what kind law am I talking about here?
I’m talking about the law in the sense of principle of works (with allusion to the Mosaic Law) which is in contrast with the grace (Romans 2: 12-29, Romans 3: 19-31).
Thus, the gentile believer need not observe the Sabbath and the ritual ceremonies prescribed by Moses.
When John said that: “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness(1 John 3:4)”, he did not refer to the custom taught by Moses (Acts 15: 1-21).
Consequently, the non-observance of the Sabbath by a gentile believer could not constitute the breaking of the law about which John spoke.
John referred to the law of the faith, to the truth of the faith:
“Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith ».
Romans 3:27
“If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.”
1 Timothy 4:6
This law can never be abolished, since the Word of God can not be abolished.
But what is the faith like?
« Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.”
Romans 10:17
Any thing will pass but the word of God will not pass. Ritual laws prescribed by Moses are no longer in force for the gentile believers. They are abolished for those who live according to the grace. But the law of the faith which takes its source in the Word of Christ will never be abolished.
“Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.”
Jude 1:3
Here’s my duty. I must fight for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. Amen!
Please listen to Brother Peter:
“Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
2 Peter 1:1-2
You said:
“I do teach grace, we are saved through faith, but that faith and grace is to bring us back to living torah after being born again....that is what many do not teach...”
What do you mean?
I do invite you to see the link below:
Some Messianic Jews do not believe it necessary to keep the Sabbath. On this page you will find three (3) articles written against Sabbath keeping by people within your own messianic "Jewish" circle.
“There is only one Gospel whose power and gracious freedom overcomes sin and death throughout the world. But if the Gospel's freedom is suppressed for the sake of upholding the Law (Torah), then those that put Torah above the Gospel must abandon the contradictory elements of their theology and submit their Torah observance to New Covenant principles. This does not mandate the banning of Torah observance; however, it does restrict Torah observance to that of "non-obligatory" compliance in Messianic Jewish worship and daily practice.
There are now several major theological trends that counter the truth of the gospel, that need to be recognized and opposed. The task of this study is one of taking a critical look at these newly accepted beliefs by comparing them to the apostles writings. Some Messianic Jewish theologians have faulted the apostle Paul for the "Pauline Gospels" claiming it to be anti-Semitic. Most anti-Pauline Messianic Jewish theologians have avoided taking an anti-Pauline stand and have re-invented Paul and his writings as that of the "Torah observant Rabbi Paul, all accepting of modern Messianic Jewish thought." Such a re-invention is both doctrinally unsound and historically incorrect. We should question both seriously by first concentrating on the teachings in the epistles to the Hebrews, Romans and Galatians. Above all the other apostles, Paul was given the divine task of proclaiming the principles of the New Covenant to Jew and Gentile believer alike. Let us endeavor to take His new revelation to heart.”
Please, what do think about the testimony below from a friend of mine?
“At any rate, I am familiar with arguing with Messianic Jews. I have a dandy going on over on “Shekinah Life” about the existence of Satan. Jews believe Satan is more of a self induced "evil inclination" rather than a literal being. They acknowledge him as a literal being, only as a servant, not an enemy of God.
If you want to follow a truly remarkable exchange on that subject, read the post and all the replies and counter replies between us. You will notice that he said Christians believe in Hollywood fables, that we follow Rome and her Harlot daughters, that our interpretation of the Greek is flawed, that we believe Jews to be ignorant, that we ourselves are ignorant of what the Jews taught and that we believe in Zoroastrianism. The one thing I did not hear from him was a sound exegesis of the Word of God, that would justify his position. His attitude toward Christians is typical and a great example of what you are up against.
http://shekinahlife.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=967043%3ATopic%3A42400&page=1&commentId=967043%3AComment%3A42502&x=1#967043Comment42502
Basically, their problem is that they do not form their doctrine on the whole word of God. They accept the Messiah (somewhat) but not his teachings. They emphasis the Torah and filter all of their understanding through it. Opinions formed by the Jews of long ago (who did not even have the New Testament) still permeate their belief system. They cling to them.
To make matters worse, they distrust Christianity because of Rome and her Harlot daughters. They point to the corruption and heresies and use them as an excuse to “throw out the baby with the bath water”. Sure Rome has soured the new wine but the solution is not to return to the old wine, it is to help us fight the corruption until the true Gospel prevails.
As we know, all doctrine must be based on the complete Word of God. The New Testament expands on and clarifies the old. For them, however, the New Testament must be forced to fit the requirements of the Torah which of course is impossible. The accusations, the Greek twisting, the mental gymnastics - are something to behold. They are the Judaizers Paul referred to and argued against many times and they are still with us. I highly recommend this link and the info also linked from it.
http://www.deusvitae.com/faith/denominations/judaizers.html
They try to force believers to follow Jewish rituals and customs which were only types which met their fulfillment in Christ – the anti-type. Shadows of what was to come. They are legalists and instill it in others, by any and all arguments they can invent. Not all Messianic Jews think that way and some within the movement are grace oriented. This article sums up nicely their dilemma.
http://www.messianic-literary.com/dismantle.htm
The best way I know of to fight their legalism is to point them to grace oriented Messianic Jews in their own circles. They are more likely to listen to them rather than Christians. Here is a listing:
http://www.messianic-literary.com/graceorg.htm
Finally, one of their tactics is to brush off Christians as believing in antinomianism (presumption). To some extent they have a point, because some Christians do have a “cheap grace” that does not expect or generate sanctification.
To understand the relationship between works and faith properly, is not always achieved in Christian circles. My personal opinion on that topic is expressed in this article “Are we saved by faith or works?”
http://indiegospel.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1706554%3ATopic%3A1542”
I do appreciate your demonstration; unfortunately I notice that you didn’t understand my question which you tried to answer though. I realize that you fail to understand the Gospel preached by Paul.
I do appreciate your zeal too, but I would like that you try to understand well a question asked before trying to bring an answer.
This is my question: Should we ask Gentile believers to observe the Sabbath?
The answer is simply no!
Why?
Because they live under the GRACE. You Israelite Hebrew you keep the Sabbath because you still live under the LAW.
There are two different dispensations. Paul didn’t destroy THE LAW OF GOD though.
But he said that “no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.
He said that we “ all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”
He said that “a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.”
This doesn’t mean that we nullify the LAW OF GOD by this faith.
Please listen carefully to Paul:
“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.
Righteousness Through Faith
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. »
Romans 3:19-31
You Hebrew Israelite still live UNDER THE LAW and do observe the Sabbath (whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law),
but the gentiles are free in Jesus-Christ, they live BY GRACE and they are justified BY FAITH.
Jesus-Christ did ask His disciples to go towards the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 10:6) towards which Himself was sent (Matthew 15:24, Acts 13:23).
However, during the time of THE GRACE, Israel is partially hardened with the message of the Gospel, but later all true Israel will be saved. If you are really a true Hebrew Israelite, then you are my brother. Amen!
All Israel Will Be Saved:
“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.”
Romans 11:25-32
Is this truth in your Torah? Or, is this still a mistranslation?
I’d like to tell you that I’m a Christian (Acts 11: 26, Acts 26:28) and I’m not ashamed to bear that name:
“However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.”
1 Peter 4:16
You are a Hebrew Israelite. I do respect your faith. Let me inform you that your analysis is not convincing though.
I really have no desire to open an other debate about the various versions or translations of the Bible. But I would like to remind you of what Paul said:
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!”
Galatians 1:8-9
Indeed, what kind of Gospel did Paul preach?
Paul preached freedom in Christ:
“1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
7You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? 8That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9"A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough." 10I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. 11Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature[a]; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."[b] 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
Life by the Spirit
16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Galatians 5:1-26
Jesus-Christ is our Sabbath, our rest. He’s all for us. He set us free!
As a Christian I look at scripture as a Christian. Why?
Because as a Christian I know that Paul “himself was a student of rabbinical priests (Acts 22:3)”. And as a Christian I realize that He disavowed all that he has learned from rabbinical priests (Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12)
He said:
“I want you to know, brothers that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.”
Galatians 1:11-12
With your Hebrew Israelite view, it seems to me that you fail to understand the preaching of Paul:
Paul said:”
"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”
Galatians 2:15-16
Do you understand the Gospel preached by Paul?
“…but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 1:23-24
This is my prayer:
“All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.”
I do believe that there is no contradiction in the Bible. But I am not convinced yet by your argumentation...
Please read carefully the testimony below, from a friend of mine and answer my question. Should we ask the gentile believers to observe the sabbath?
"God bless you Brother,
There are 4 main views of the Sabbath circulating today. http://www.bible.ca/7-4-positions.htm I do not hold to the positions championed by this (or any site) in their entirety but these links I am giving you have some good info on this subject.
I used to be a Sabbath keeper until I discovered that many of the things that were taught to me as truth were in fact error.
7th Day Sabbatarians say that the Sabbath was instituted at creation and was made for all men. Contrary to Sabbatarian assertions, the Bible is completely silent upon the subject of the “Sabbath” until the time of the Exodus. In fact, the word “Sabbath” is not even mentioned in the Bible until 2,600 years after Creation week. Check your Bible Concordance and you will discover the Hebrew word for “rest” (“Shabbat”/Sabbath – in the sense of resting from one’s work) is not mentioned until the Exodus, 2,600 years after Creation!
In other words it was part of the law given to Moses and although some like to separate the 10 from the 613 laws (as I used to and even many Sunday keeping Churches do) they are not separated into categories by the Bible. There are many "moral" laws in the "ceremonial" sections, and there are ceremonies in the "moral" sections. Even Jesus blended the Ten Commandments with other laws when he gave his sermon on the mount, found in Matthew 5.
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/law.htm#Anchor1
http://www.nonsda.org/study2.shtml
http://www.bible.ca/7-10=1stCoven.htm
Sabbath keepers tell everyone that Colossians 2:16-17 refers to the annual Sabbath days and not to the weekly Seventh-day Sabbath.
However, in the Bible, when an author wanted to draw attention to the entire set of ceremonial holy days, he would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly events - to represent the entire system. The annual Sabbaths were already included in the verse as part of the annual "festivals", so it would make no sense to mention them again. Notice that the Week-Month-Year pattern is used in Colossians 2:16:
Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. (Col. 2:16 RSV)
If we use the Bible to interpret the Bible, the overwhelming evidence points to Colossians 2:16 as referring to the weekly Sabbath. I can show 10 other places where this pattern shows the entire Week-Month-Year but there are none where this pattern fits the weekly Sabbath. See the chart on this at the link below.
http://www.nonsda.org/study1.shtml
They twist the Greek when it suits them as in Acts 20:7 & 1 Cor 16:1 http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbath-greek.htm
I like the New Covenant theology that is emerging. It solves many of the theological dilemmas imposed by traditional covenant and dispensation theology. http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/hermenutics/nct.htm
Under the New Covenant, Christians have a freedom in Christ which Sabbatarians (Sunday or Saturday) completely miss. The Sabbath had a prophetic function in its anticipation of the gospel rest enjoyed by all who are in Christ, both now and in eternity (eg., Heb.4). NCT would argue that the 7th day Sabbath marks the Old Covenant (eg., Exodus 31; Col. 2:16-17) and emphasize rather the position of Luther and Calvin that the Sabbath now finds its fulfilment in Christ under the New Covenant (Col. 2:17). (Resting in Jesus).
The Sabbatarian focus is wrong, for they focus on the Old Covenant instead of upon Christ’s New Covenant. Throughout the New Testament, the Apostles warned Christians to be continually on their guard when they came into contact with Sabbatarians (see Acts 15:1-2, 5, 10-11; Titus 1:10-14; Galatians 3:10, 23-25; et cetera).
There is a place you can go where there is a large archive of files on this subject. The World Wide Church of God used to be Seventh Day Sabbath keepers, but renounced that position. The theological arguments that erupted over this issue are recorded and available to all. They knew all the proof texts to support Seventh Day Sabbath keeping and in fact taught them for decades, but one by one they were compelled to admit their errors, in light of Bible truth.
http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/default.htm
Also, there are a whole host of sites run by ex- Seventh Day Adventists who have a wealth of material on this. I used to write then off as heretics and “bitter” individuals until I started to seriously investigate their claims and try to refute them honestly. Then I discovered that it was I who was in error and that I had been misled. Now I feel sorry for Sabbath keepers, whether they be Saturday or Sunday keepers. I have entered the true rest – in Jesus.
http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Sabbath/tabid/53/Default.aspx
www.ellenwhite.org
What Seventh-day Adventists Need to Know
www.ratzlaf.com
www.truthorfables.com
www.sabbaths.org
www.AdventistTruth.org
Proclamation! Magazine
Former Adventist Fellowship
Hope this helps,
Ken"
You said that religious systems (Theologians)”teach that the Creator changed the Sabbath but yet the scripture says nothing of the sort.”
You also learned that he (Apostle Paul) followed the Shabbat (Acts 17:1,2), he kept the feasts days (Acts 20:16, He followed the Torah (Acts 20:19-24).
Please read carefully the passage below and tell me if we must ask gentile believers to observe the Sabbath?
The Council at Jerusalem
“1Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." 2This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the brothers very glad. 4When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."
6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me. 14Simon[a] has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. 15The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16" 'After this I will return
and rebuild David's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'[b]
18that have been known for ages.[c]
19"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
Acts 15:1-29
I know that Jesus said: “I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
Matthew 5:18
But I also know that: “Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Mark 2:27-28
I also know that:”There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:28
I also know that Paul said: “28A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.”
Romans 2:28-29
I also know that Paul said: “19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Romans 3:19-31
This is what we should ask gentile believers to do!!!
“8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Ephesians 2:8-10
What Sabbath for GENTILE BELIEVERS? Jesus-Christ is our Sabbath. He is our rest, he is all for us. We Worship Him every day; from Saturday to Sunday (No particular day set apart for the worship!)
PRAISE THE LORD!! GREETINGS BROTHER GERMAIN!! THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT YOU LEFT ON MY PAGE. BE BLESSED IN OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, WHO I GIVE ALL PRAISE AND GLORY TO FOREVER. AMEN.
Can you draw a line between God and His word written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit?
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. John 1:1
A proverb of my soil says that if what you have to say is not more beautiful than silence then you should keep silent!
I would rather say that if what you have to say does not have a biblical base, then you should make silence. Do not try in vain to interpret the Word of God with a view to defend your interests or the particular doctrines of your denomination for fear of being excommunicated or losing your members.
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Jesus Himself said this: "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
John 8:24
Hi dear visitors!
Here's reply to answers from someone called Eagle(www.ResponseCenters.org).
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:57:13 -0500 (CDT)
Kouassi,
First of all, I think your English is quite good.
Why has the Holy Spirit been given to us? Before Jesus returned to heaven, he promised that his believers would not be left as orphans but that he would send another counselor or comforter to be with us. In our own power we cannot acheive a changed and transformed life. The Holy Spirit indwells each Christian. He enlightens our minds when we read the Bible and encourages and strengths us in our daily lives.
Malachi 4 is a prophecy concerning the prophet Elijah who would appear at the time of the coming of the Messiah. Jesus identified John the Baptist as fulfilling this prophecy. John was not the actual Elijah but he came in the spirit or likeness of Elijah. If you study the life of Elijah and John you will notice many similiarities. John was the last prophet of the Old Covenant.
Who is Jesus? The Christian God is a triune God. He is one God but three in person, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is God the Son. He is the creator of all that we see and he upholds all things by his power. But he now also has a human nature when he was born over 2000 years ago. So today he is both true God and true man. He did this to reconcile us to himself. As humans we have been made in God's image but have fallen into a depraved state. Jesus paid the penalty for our sins by dying for us. Through his righteousness we are forgiven and restored to a personal relationship with God.
I know Jesus not by experiments or feelings but by his promises made to us and revealed to us in the Bible. He changed me by giving me a new heart and mind to seek him and know him. It is by faith not by sight or feelings that we are assured of our relationship with him.
May God bless you also.
Sincerely,
eagle
I thank you for your answer, dear Eagle.
Let us come back to your responses.
1-I know Jesus not by experiments or feelings but by his promises made to us and revealed to us in the Bible. He changed me by giving me a new heart and mind to seek him and know him. It is by faith not by sight or feelings that we are assured of our relationship with him".
This answer is correct!
I know that we are saved by faith and not by works (Ephesians 2: 8-9). When I speak about experiments that you had with Jesus-Christ, I make allusion to Mark 16:16-18.
2- Why has the Holy Spirit been given to us? Before Jesus returned to heaven, he promised that his believers would not be left as orphans but that he would send another counselor or comforter to be with us. In our own power we cannot achieve a changed and transformed life. The Holy Spirit indwells each Christian. He enlightens our minds when we read the Bible and encourages and strengths us in our daily lives.
This answer is correct!
3- Malachi 4 is a prophecy concerning the prophet Elijah who would appear at the time of the coming of the Messiah. Jesus identified John the Baptist as fulfilling this prophecy. John was not the actual Elijah but he came in the spirit or likeness of Elijah. If you study the life of Elijah and John you will notice many similarities. John was the last prophet of the Old Covenant.
This response is not wholly definite.
Compare these two figures:
-First Elijah
Matthew 11:7-10; Malachi 3:1; Esaiah 40:1-5
The mission which is allocated to him, Luke 1:17: "And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous - to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Point out that this Elijah came in a time of favour. But he has been rejected by the religious world: "But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."
Mark 9: 13
Only those who had revelation received John the Baptist as being the clairvoyant (Prophet) sent by God to prepare the first coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ Church is founded on revelation (Matthew 16:17-18). Amen!
Please Let us meditate Amos 3:7 :"Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets."
If the first coming of the Lord Jesus was prepared by a Prophet namely John the Baptist, What will it be of His second visit?
- Second Elijah
Do you Know that the Holy Scriptures say that a Clairvoyant (Prophet) dressed in the Spirit and Elijah's potency must again come before the second coming of Jesus Christ, this big and formidable day (Esaiah 63:4; 13:9; 61:2 / Joel 2:1-3)? Do you know it?
What does the second Elijah owe to do this time? "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
Malachi 4: 5 – 6.
There are famous men of God today, making prodigies and miracles, but William Marrion Branham received something special for the Church of Jesus Christ. Do not have prejudices on his Ministry but poll its messages and compare with the Holy Scriptures as the Christians of Berea in Acts 17:11 did.
Consult these sites below and obtain his messages:
Let me inform you therefore that Elijah already came and the religious world treated him as a "Guru". It is not strange, history is repeated. The Clairvoyant (Prophet) of our age is definitely William Marrion Branham.
4- Who is Jesus? The Christian God is a triune God. He is one God but three in person, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is God the Son. He is the creator of all that we see and he upholds all things by his power. But he now also has a human nature when he was born over 2000 years ago. So today he is both true God and true man. He did this to reconcile us to himself. As humans we have been made in God's image but have fallen into a depraved state. Jesus paid the penalty for our sins by dying for us. Through his righteousness we are forgiven and restored to a personal relationship with God.
This answer is wrong!
The Christian God has never been a triune God. This is the comprehension of the Roman Catholic Church and its daughters, the organized churches. Trinidad is not scriptural. No, I say no! Amen!
You cannot divide the unique God into three coequal and coendless persons.
God is one person who manifested Himself of three ways:
- as the only God and Father of everything who is above all
- as the only God came in a body of flesh to save us
- as the only God in us all by the Holy Ghost.
I do not see three persons but different demonstrations of the same God here.
Ephesians 4: 5-6; 1 Timothy 3:16; Matthew 1:23; John 1: 14; Esaiah 9:5; Esaiah 35:4-6 etc.
The Scripture tells us that God was in Christ When Jesus Christ was here on earth, and in Him dwelled the fullness of the Godhead bodily, all the great powers of God was in His Son, Christ Jesus. For the reconciling the world to Himself. Amen!
Words fail me Brother! If I could express myself correctly, fluently in English as you, I would have motivated you for a long time on this subject of the Godhead of Jesus-Christ.
Nevertheless, I invite you to consult the site below and to order the booklets below which shall be able to help you to deepen your knowledge about the godhead of Jesus.
www.inthedaysofthevoice.com
1-Sirs is This the Time?
2- Standing in the Gap
3-Paul, A Prisoner of Christ
4-Greatest Battle Ever Fought
5-Stature of a Perfect Man
6- Spoken Word, Original Seed
7-Doing God a Service
8-Spiritual Food in Due Season
9-What is the Attraction on the Mt
10-Satan's Eden
11-Third Exodus
12- Is Your Life Worthy the Gospel
13-Uniting Time and Sign
14- Taking Sides With Jesus
15-Indictment
16-Token
17- Seed is Not Heir With the Shuck
18-Rapture
19-Seed of Discrepancy
20-Man Running from the Presence
21- God's Chosen Place of Worship
22-Who is This Melchesidec?
23-It Is The Rising of the Sun
24-Does God Ever Change His Mind
25-Choosing of a Bride
26-Souls That Are in Prison Now
27- He That is In You
28-Rejected King
29-Events Made Clear by Prophecy
30-The Absolute
31-Leadership
32-I Have Heard but Now I See
33- God's Only Provided Place
34-The Wings of Snow White Dove
35-Knoweth It Not
36-Christ Revealed in His Word
37-Works is Faith Expressed
38-Revelation of Jesus Christ
39-Flashing Red Light His Coming
40-Things That Are to Be
41-Oddball
42- Unveiling of God
43-Masterpiece
44-Kinsmen Redeemer
45- Appropriate Gifts
46-There is a Man Here Can Turn
47-What Shall I do with Jesus
48-Three Kinds of Believers
49-Broken Cisterns
50-Feast of the Trumpets
51-Going Beyond the Camp
52-Reccognize Your Day & It's Message
53-Ashamed of Him
54-Thinking Man's Filter
55-Invisible Union Anointed Ones the End Time
56-God of This Evil Age
57-Communion (Tucson)
58-Christ the Mystery of God
59-Look Away to Jesus
60-Future Home
61-Proving His Word
62-Why Cry? Speak!
63- Perfect Faith
64-Desparation
65-Birth Pains
66-This Day This Scripture
67-Marriage and Divorce
68-Life Story
69- How the Angel Came to Me
70-The Way of a True Prophet
71- Seven Seals
72-Seven Church Ages
73- Laodicean Church Age
74-The Messenger
75- Man Sent from God
76-Prophet Visits South Africa
77-Only Believe Song Books
78-Understanding the Godhead
79-That Woman Jezebel
80-The Original Sin
81-The Lord God Hath Spoken
82-Signs of the Supernatural
And so on.
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
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Remember Judaism is the absolute root of the Faith and with out the Basic tenants and the Obedience to them We are all lost..
Young Man' It is all about Ha'Shem Duet. 6:v4-9
Moreh Yehoshua Ben Yahweh is back and he said:
"Yahshua the Messiah is Not Almighty Yahweh"
This is a false doctrine! I say a false doctrine!
Jesus-Christ is the Almighty God! AMEN!
I have come to the conclusion that it is high time we opened a new discussion about the Godhead of Jesus-Christ!
We must probe the holy Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation to see who is Jesus!
Do you want me to open a new discussion about this Topic?
Yahweh of the Old Testament is Jesus in the new Testament. Amen!
All the Bible tells you so!
Blessings,
Brother Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
WHAT IS A "FALSE CHRIST"?
WHAT IS A "FALSE PROPHET"?
Indeed, the Bible declares:
“for false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect - if that were possible.”
Mark 13:22
A Christ is the one who is anointed.
Our Lord “JESUS” is called “CHRIST” because He has been anointed:
“how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.”
Acts 10:38
A false Christ is the one who is anointed; he received the true unction from God but he teaches false(God can operate miracles by him, but this one teaches false).
A false Prophet is the one who is anointed; he received the true unction from God but he doesn’t follow the Word of God fully.
For example, Moses was a true Prophet of God, while Balaam was a false Prophet (Numbers 22:1-41).
Maybe, someone may ask:
Why doesn’t God take back His unction and His gifts from the false Christs and the false Prophets?
Simply because God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Amen!
“for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.”
Romans 11:28-29
The true Christs, the true Ministers of God or the true sons/daughters of God are the ones who have been born again not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever. AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
“having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,”
1 Peter 1:23
For more details, I do recommend you to visit the Web site below and to order the following booklet: "Three kinds of believers"
www.inthedaysofthevoice.com
God has already spoken by His Prophet. Please recognize your day and its Message.
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Revelation 3:22
May God bless you!
Bro. Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
The Christian God is Jesus-Christ...
Yahweh of the old Testament is Jesus-Christ in the New Testament.
Those who saw God in the Old Testament saw Him in the form of Eternal (Yahweh) and those who want to see Him in New Testament have to see Him in the form of the lord Jesus, as Emmanuel, God with us (Matthew 1 :23).
That's how the Father showed Himself in the Son:
"No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him".
John 1:18
Jesus-Christ is the Almighty God. He is the True God and Eternal Life.
1 John 5:20.
"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,”says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:7-8
" looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works."
Titus 2:13-14
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever".
Hebrews 13:8
Yahweh of the old Testament is Jesus-Christ in the New Testament.
Jesus-Christ is the Christian God...
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Besides, the only chosen place, provided by God for worship is in Jesus Christ.
We enter the mystical body of Christ by means of the Holy Spirit baptism.
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body - whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free - and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.”
1 Corinthians12:13
The true adorers have to Worship in Spirit and truly. God is Spirit. Amen!!!!
John 4:24.
Jesus Christ has a single Church which is built on revelation.
“And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.”
Matthew 16:18
It is of this church that I am a member.
Did Jesus Christ create a denomination? NO!
THE CHRISTIAN GOD, NAMELY JESUS-CHRIST HAS CREATED NO DENOMINATION. BUT HE HAS ONE CHURCH WHICH BEARS HIS NAME.
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
LET US WAKE UP!!! TIME IS UP!!!
The church has lost its intimacy and singleness of heart. There are terrible times in the last days (2 Timothy 3: 1-5). Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most grows cold (Matthew 24:12).
Yes, the Laodicean Church is neither cold nor hot (Revelation 3:14-15).
Since Jesus-Christ the bridegroom is a long time in coming, all the virgins become drowsy and fall asleep (Matthew 25:5).
However the Church, the bride of Jesus-Christ must awake (Ephesians 5:25-27; Matthew 16:18).
The wise virgins who take oil in jars along with their lamps must awake. The oil symbolizes the Holy Spirit. Jesus-Christ is making His Bride holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, in order to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.”
The stains and wrinkles represent the foreign and pernicious doctrines that the theologists add to the Word of God.
With this intention, we must turn to the End time message which is intended to prepare the bride of Jesus for the rapture. This alarm has already started and follows its course (continues).
Let us wake up! Time is up!!!!!
Bro. Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
Now I’m addressing all the Gentile believers.
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,
No ransom is more invaluable than that which was offered by Jesus - Christ, namely His own blood. By presenting the value of this ransom in the Heaven, Jesus released the descendants of Adam from the sin and dead of which they all were slaves in consequence of the disobedience of their common ancestor.
“Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:19-22
But WHAT did the Apostles say concerning us?
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
Acts 15:19-21
This is not my own opinion, it is written and the Bible recommends to us not to go beyond what is written:
“Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.”
1 Corinthians 4:6
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
Finally, let us retain that WE SHOULD NOT ASK GENTILE BELIEVERS TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH.
“He, who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Revelation 3:22
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
You teach grace but what does grace mean? What does “to live under the grace” mean?
The grace is the undeserved favour that God, in His love, grants to the sinner who repents. This grace brings him salvation:
“For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.”
Titus 2:11
“made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions - it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God”
Ephesians 2:5-8
You said:
“If there is no Law then sin would abound because sin is the transgression of the Law 1st John 3:4.”
The law is not abolished But Jesus came to perfect the law, because the law can not save anybody:
“For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:19-21
The grace is higher than the law. It’s not because we live under the grace that we owe to sin more, No!
On the contrary the grace “… teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope -the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.”
Titus 2:12-14
Don’t you know that the grace is more requiring than the Law?
"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Matthew 19:7-12
Jesus said:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
The law is blind and intransigent but the grace forgives:
“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
John 8:3-11
Through the Grace God justifies freely the sinner who repents (Romans 2:24-25).
“But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life”.
Titus 3:4-7
The grace and the truth came through Jesus Christ: “
« For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17
The grace accompanies the believer during his life (1 Corinthians 15:10, 2 Corinthians 12:9 and He can be strengthened in it :
“You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.”
2 Timothy 2: 1
Such a believer who walks in the grace of Jesus-Christ cannot walk any more according to the law.
But what kind law am I talking about here?
I’m talking about the law in the sense of principle of works (with allusion to the Mosaic Law) which is in contrast with the grace (Romans 2: 12-29, Romans 3: 19-31).
Thus, the gentile believer need not observe the Sabbath and the ritual ceremonies prescribed by Moses.
When John said that: “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness(1 John 3:4)”, he did not refer to the custom taught by Moses (Acts 15: 1-21).
Consequently, the non-observance of the Sabbath by a gentile believer could not constitute the breaking of the law about which John spoke.
John referred to the law of the faith, to the truth of the faith:
“Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith ».
Romans 3:27
“If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.”
1 Timothy 4:6
This law can never be abolished, since the Word of God can not be abolished.
But what is the faith like?
« Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.”
Romans 10:17
Any thing will pass but the word of God will not pass. Ritual laws prescribed by Moses are no longer in force for the gentile believers. They are abolished for those who live according to the grace. But the law of the faith which takes its source in the Word of Christ will never be abolished.
“Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.”
Jude 1:3
Here’s my duty. I must fight for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. Amen!
Please listen to Brother Peter:
“Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
2 Peter 1:1-2
You said:
“I do teach grace, we are saved through faith, but that faith and grace is to bring us back to living torah after being born again....that is what many do not teach...”
What do you mean?
I do invite you to see the link below:
Some Messianic Jews do not believe it necessary to keep the Sabbath. On this page you will find three (3) articles written against Sabbath keeping by people within your own messianic "Jewish" circle.
http://www.messianic-literary.com/torah_gentiles.htm
“There is only one Gospel whose power and gracious freedom overcomes sin and death throughout the world. But if the Gospel's freedom is suppressed for the sake of upholding the Law (Torah), then those that put Torah above the Gospel must abandon the contradictory elements of their theology and submit their Torah observance to New Covenant principles. This does not mandate the banning of Torah observance; however, it does restrict Torah observance to that of "non-obligatory" compliance in Messianic Jewish worship and daily practice.
There are now several major theological trends that counter the truth of the gospel, that need to be recognized and opposed. The task of this study is one of taking a critical look at these newly accepted beliefs by comparing them to the apostles writings. Some Messianic Jewish theologians have faulted the apostle Paul for the "Pauline Gospels" claiming it to be anti-Semitic. Most anti-Pauline Messianic Jewish theologians have avoided taking an anti-Pauline stand and have re-invented Paul and his writings as that of the "Torah observant Rabbi Paul, all accepting of modern Messianic Jewish thought." Such a re-invention is both doctrinally unsound and historically incorrect. We should question both seriously by first concentrating on the teachings in the epistles to the Hebrews, Romans and Galatians. Above all the other apostles, Paul was given the divine task of proclaiming the principles of the New Covenant to Jew and Gentile believer alike. Let us endeavor to take His new revelation to heart.”
Please, what do think about the testimony below from a friend of mine?
“At any rate, I am familiar with arguing with Messianic Jews. I have a dandy going on over on “Shekinah Life” about the existence of Satan. Jews believe Satan is more of a self induced "evil inclination" rather than a literal being. They acknowledge him as a literal being, only as a servant, not an enemy of God.
If you want to follow a truly remarkable exchange on that subject, read the post and all the replies and counter replies between us. You will notice that he said Christians believe in Hollywood fables, that we follow Rome and her Harlot daughters, that our interpretation of the Greek is flawed, that we believe Jews to be ignorant, that we ourselves are ignorant of what the Jews taught and that we believe in Zoroastrianism. The one thing I did not hear from him was a sound exegesis of the Word of God, that would justify his position. His attitude toward Christians is typical and a great example of what you are up against.
http://shekinahlife.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=967043%3ATopic%3A42400&page=1&commentId=967043%3AComment%3A42502&x=1#967043Comment42502
Basically, their problem is that they do not form their doctrine on the whole word of God. They accept the Messiah (somewhat) but not his teachings. They emphasis the Torah and filter all of their understanding through it. Opinions formed by the Jews of long ago (who did not even have the New Testament) still permeate their belief system. They cling to them.
To make matters worse, they distrust Christianity because of Rome and her Harlot daughters. They point to the corruption and heresies and use them as an excuse to “throw out the baby with the bath water”. Sure Rome has soured the new wine but the solution is not to return to the old wine, it is to help us fight the corruption until the true Gospel prevails.
As we know, all doctrine must be based on the complete Word of God. The New Testament expands on and clarifies the old. For them, however, the New Testament must be forced to fit the requirements of the Torah which of course is impossible. The accusations, the Greek twisting, the mental gymnastics - are something to behold. They are the Judaizers Paul referred to and argued against many times and they are still with us. I highly recommend this link and the info also linked from it.
http://www.deusvitae.com/faith/denominations/judaizers.html
They try to force believers to follow Jewish rituals and customs which were only types which met their fulfillment in Christ – the anti-type. Shadows of what was to come. They are legalists and instill it in others, by any and all arguments they can invent. Not all Messianic Jews think that way and some within the movement are grace oriented. This article sums up nicely their dilemma.
http://www.messianic-literary.com/dismantle.htm
The best way I know of to fight their legalism is to point them to grace oriented Messianic Jews in their own circles. They are more likely to listen to them rather than Christians. Here is a listing:
http://www.messianic-literary.com/graceorg.htm
Finally, one of their tactics is to brush off Christians as believing in antinomianism (presumption). To some extent they have a point, because some Christians do have a “cheap grace” that does not expect or generate sanctification.
To understand the relationship between works and faith properly, is not always achieved in Christian circles. My personal opinion on that topic is expressed in this article “Are we saved by faith or works?”
http://indiegospel.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1706554%3ATopic%3A1542”
May God bless you brother!
Bro. Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
I do appreciate your demonstration; unfortunately I notice that you didn’t understand my question which you tried to answer though. I realize that you fail to understand the Gospel preached by Paul.
I do appreciate your zeal too, but I would like that you try to understand well a question asked before trying to bring an answer.
This is my question: Should we ask Gentile believers to observe the Sabbath?
The answer is simply no!
Why?
Because they live under the GRACE. You Israelite Hebrew you keep the Sabbath because you still live under the LAW.
There are two different dispensations. Paul didn’t destroy THE LAW OF GOD though.
But he said that “no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.
He said that we “ all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”
He said that “a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.”
This doesn’t mean that we nullify the LAW OF GOD by this faith.
Please listen carefully to Paul:
“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.
Righteousness Through Faith
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. »
Romans 3:19-31
You Hebrew Israelite still live UNDER THE LAW and do observe the Sabbath (whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law),
but the gentiles are free in Jesus-Christ, they live BY GRACE and they are justified BY FAITH.
Jesus-Christ did ask His disciples to go towards the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 10:6) towards which Himself was sent (Matthew 15:24, Acts 13:23).
However, during the time of THE GRACE, Israel is partially hardened with the message of the Gospel, but later all true Israel will be saved. If you are really a true Hebrew Israelite, then you are my brother. Amen!
All Israel Will Be Saved:
“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.”
Romans 11:25-32
Is this truth in your Torah? Or, is this still a mistranslation?
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
I’d like to tell you that I’m a Christian (Acts 11: 26, Acts 26:28) and I’m not ashamed to bear that name:
“However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.”
1 Peter 4:16
You are a Hebrew Israelite. I do respect your faith. Let me inform you that your analysis is not convincing though.
I really have no desire to open an other debate about the various versions or translations of the Bible. But I would like to remind you of what Paul said:
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!”
Galatians 1:8-9
Indeed, what kind of Gospel did Paul preach?
Paul preached freedom in Christ:
“1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
7You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? 8That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9"A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough." 10I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. 11Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature[a]; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."[b] 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
Life by the Spirit
16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Galatians 5:1-26
Jesus-Christ is our Sabbath, our rest. He’s all for us. He set us free!
As a Christian I look at scripture as a Christian. Why?
Because as a Christian I know that Paul “himself was a student of rabbinical priests (Acts 22:3)”. And as a Christian I realize that He disavowed all that he has learned from rabbinical priests (Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12)
He said:
“I want you to know, brothers that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.”
Galatians 1:11-12
With your Hebrew Israelite view, it seems to me that you fail to understand the preaching of Paul:
Paul said:”
"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”
Galatians 2:15-16
Do you understand the Gospel preached by Paul?
“…but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 1:23-24
This is my prayer:
“All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.”
Philippians 3:15
May God bless you!!
Bro.Germain
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
I do believe that there is no contradiction in the Bible. But I am not convinced yet by your argumentation...
Please read carefully the testimony below, from a friend of mine and answer my question. Should we ask the gentile believers to observe the sabbath?
"God bless you Brother,
There are 4 main views of the Sabbath circulating today. http://www.bible.ca/7-4-positions.htm I do not hold to the positions championed by this (or any site) in their entirety but these links I am giving you have some good info on this subject.
I used to be a Sabbath keeper until I discovered that many of the things that were taught to me as truth were in fact error.
7th Day Sabbatarians say that the Sabbath was instituted at creation and was made for all men. Contrary to Sabbatarian assertions, the Bible is completely silent upon the subject of the “Sabbath” until the time of the Exodus. In fact, the word “Sabbath” is not even mentioned in the Bible until 2,600 years after Creation week. Check your Bible Concordance and you will discover the Hebrew word for “rest” (“Shabbat”/Sabbath – in the sense of resting from one’s work) is not mentioned until the Exodus, 2,600 years after Creation!
In other words it was part of the law given to Moses and although some like to separate the 10 from the 613 laws (as I used to and even many Sunday keeping Churches do) they are not separated into categories by the Bible. There are many "moral" laws in the "ceremonial" sections, and there are ceremonies in the "moral" sections. Even Jesus blended the Ten Commandments with other laws when he gave his sermon on the mount, found in Matthew 5.
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/law.htm#Anchor1
http://www.nonsda.org/study2.shtml
http://www.bible.ca/7-10=1stCoven.htm
Sabbath keepers tell everyone that Colossians 2:16-17 refers to the annual Sabbath days and not to the weekly Seventh-day Sabbath.
However, in the Bible, when an author wanted to draw attention to the entire set of ceremonial holy days, he would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly events - to represent the entire system. The annual Sabbaths were already included in the verse as part of the annual "festivals", so it would make no sense to mention them again. Notice that the Week-Month-Year pattern is used in Colossians 2:16:
Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. (Col. 2:16 RSV)
If we use the Bible to interpret the Bible, the overwhelming evidence points to Colossians 2:16 as referring to the weekly Sabbath. I can show 10 other places where this pattern shows the entire Week-Month-Year but there are none where this pattern fits the weekly Sabbath. See the chart on this at the link below.
http://www.nonsda.org/study1.shtml
They twist the Greek when it suits them as in Acts 20:7 & 1 Cor 16:1 http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbath-greek.htm
I like the New Covenant theology that is emerging. It solves many of the theological dilemmas imposed by traditional covenant and dispensation theology. http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/hermenutics/nct.htm
Under the New Covenant, Christians have a freedom in Christ which Sabbatarians (Sunday or Saturday) completely miss. The Sabbath had a prophetic function in its anticipation of the gospel rest enjoyed by all who are in Christ, both now and in eternity (eg., Heb.4). NCT would argue that the 7th day Sabbath marks the Old Covenant (eg., Exodus 31; Col. 2:16-17) and emphasize rather the position of Luther and Calvin that the Sabbath now finds its fulfilment in Christ under the New Covenant (Col. 2:17). (Resting in Jesus).
The Sabbatarian focus is wrong, for they focus on the Old Covenant instead of upon Christ’s New Covenant. Throughout the New Testament, the Apostles warned Christians to be continually on their guard when they came into contact with Sabbatarians (see Acts 15:1-2, 5, 10-11; Titus 1:10-14; Galatians 3:10, 23-25; et cetera).
There is a place you can go where there is a large archive of files on this subject. The World Wide Church of God used to be Seventh Day Sabbath keepers, but renounced that position. The theological arguments that erupted over this issue are recorded and available to all. They knew all the proof texts to support Seventh Day Sabbath keeping and in fact taught them for decades, but one by one they were compelled to admit their errors, in light of Bible truth.
http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/default.htm
Also, there are a whole host of sites run by ex- Seventh Day Adventists who have a wealth of material on this. I used to write then off as heretics and “bitter” individuals until I started to seriously investigate their claims and try to refute them honestly. Then I discovered that it was I who was in error and that I had been misled. Now I feel sorry for Sabbath keepers, whether they be Saturday or Sunday keepers. I have entered the true rest – in Jesus.
http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Sabbath/tabid/53/Default.aspx
www.ellenwhite.org
What Seventh-day Adventists Need to Know
www.ratzlaf.com
www.truthorfables.com
www.sabbaths.org
www.AdventistTruth.org
Proclamation! Magazine
Former Adventist Fellowship
Hope this helps,
Ken"
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
www.myspace.com/wawesan
www.tagworld.com/srobouay
You said that religious systems (Theologians)”teach that the Creator changed the Sabbath but yet the scripture says nothing of the sort.”
You also learned that he (Apostle Paul) followed the Shabbat (Acts 17:1,2), he kept the feasts days (Acts 20:16, He followed the Torah (Acts 20:19-24).
Please read carefully the passage below and tell me if we must ask gentile believers to observe the Sabbath?
The Council at Jerusalem
“1Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." 2This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the brothers very glad. 4When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."
6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me. 14Simon[a] has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. 15The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16" 'After this I will return
and rebuild David's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'[b]
18that have been known for ages.[c]
19"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
Acts 15:1-29
I know that Jesus said: “I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
Matthew 5:18
But I also know that: “Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Mark 2:27-28
I also know that:”There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:28
I also know that Paul said: “28A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.”
Romans 2:28-29
I also know that Paul said: “19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Romans 3:19-31
This is what we should ask gentile believers to do!!!
“8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Ephesians 2:8-10
What Sabbath for GENTILE BELIEVERS? Jesus-Christ is our Sabbath. He is our rest, he is all for us. We Worship Him every day; from Saturday to Sunday (No particular day set apart for the worship!)
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
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Can you draw a line between God and His word written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit?
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. John 1:1
A proverb of my soil says that if what you have to say is not more beautiful than silence then you should keep silent!
I would rather say that if what you have to say does not have a biblical base, then you should make silence. Do not try in vain to interpret the Word of God with a view to defend your interests or the particular doctrines of your denomination for fear of being excommunicated or losing your members.
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
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THE GODHEAD OF JESUS-CHRIST
Jesus Himself said this: "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
John 8:24
Hi dear visitors!
Here's reply to answers from someone called Eagle(www.ResponseCenters.org).
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:57:13 -0500 (CDT)
Kouassi,
First of all, I think your English is quite good.
Why has the Holy Spirit been given to us? Before Jesus returned to heaven, he promised that his believers would not be left as orphans but that he would send another counselor or comforter to be with us. In our own power we cannot acheive a changed and transformed life. The Holy Spirit indwells each Christian. He enlightens our minds when we read the Bible and encourages and strengths us in our daily lives.
Malachi 4 is a prophecy concerning the prophet Elijah who would appear at the time of the coming of the Messiah. Jesus identified John the Baptist as fulfilling this prophecy. John was not the actual Elijah but he came in the spirit or likeness of Elijah. If you study the life of Elijah and John you will notice many similiarities. John was the last prophet of the Old Covenant.
Who is Jesus? The Christian God is a triune God. He is one God but three in person, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is God the Son. He is the creator of all that we see and he upholds all things by his power. But he now also has a human nature when he was born over 2000 years ago. So today he is both true God and true man. He did this to reconcile us to himself. As humans we have been made in God's image but have fallen into a depraved state. Jesus paid the penalty for our sins by dying for us. Through his righteousness we are forgiven and restored to a personal relationship with God.
I know Jesus not by experiments or feelings but by his promises made to us and revealed to us in the Bible. He changed me by giving me a new heart and mind to seek him and know him. It is by faith not by sight or feelings that we are assured of our relationship with him.
May God bless you also.
Sincerely,
eagle
I thank you for your answer, dear Eagle.
Let us come back to your responses.
1-I know Jesus not by experiments or feelings but by his promises made to us and revealed to us in the Bible. He changed me by giving me a new heart and mind to seek him and know him. It is by faith not by sight or feelings that we are assured of our relationship with him".
This answer is correct!
I know that we are saved by faith and not by works (Ephesians 2: 8-9). When I speak about experiments that you had with Jesus-Christ, I make allusion to Mark 16:16-18.
2- Why has the Holy Spirit been given to us? Before Jesus returned to heaven, he promised that his believers would not be left as orphans but that he would send another counselor or comforter to be with us. In our own power we cannot achieve a changed and transformed life. The Holy Spirit indwells each Christian. He enlightens our minds when we read the Bible and encourages and strengths us in our daily lives.
This answer is correct!
3- Malachi 4 is a prophecy concerning the prophet Elijah who would appear at the time of the coming of the Messiah. Jesus identified John the Baptist as fulfilling this prophecy. John was not the actual Elijah but he came in the spirit or likeness of Elijah. If you study the life of Elijah and John you will notice many similarities. John was the last prophet of the Old Covenant.
This response is not wholly definite.
Compare these two figures:
-First Elijah
Matthew 11:7-10; Malachi 3:1; Esaiah 40:1-5
The mission which is allocated to him, Luke 1:17: "And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous - to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Point out that this Elijah came in a time of favour. But he has been rejected by the religious world: "But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."
Mark 9: 13
Only those who had revelation received John the Baptist as being the clairvoyant (Prophet) sent by God to prepare the first coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ Church is founded on revelation (Matthew 16:17-18). Amen!
Please Let us meditate Amos 3:7 :"Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets."
If the first coming of the Lord Jesus was prepared by a Prophet namely John the Baptist, What will it be of His second visit?
- Second Elijah
Do you Know that the Holy Scriptures say that a Clairvoyant (Prophet) dressed in the Spirit and Elijah's potency must again come before the second coming of Jesus Christ, this big and formidable day (Esaiah 63:4; 13:9; 61:2 / Joel 2:1-3)? Do you know it?
What does the second Elijah owe to do this time? "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
Malachi 4: 5 – 6.
There are famous men of God today, making prodigies and miracles, but William Marrion Branham received something special for the Church of Jesus Christ. Do not have prejudices on his Ministry but poll its messages and compare with the Holy Scriptures as the Christians of Berea in Acts 17:11 did.
Consult these sites below and obtain his messages:
www.cmpp.ch
www.intmissioncenter.org
www.nouvellenaissance.com
www.inthedaysofthevoice.com
www.livingwordbroadcast.org
www.bibleway.org
www.branham.org
www.biblebelievers.org
Let me inform you therefore that Elijah already came and the religious world treated him as a "Guru". It is not strange, history is repeated. The Clairvoyant (Prophet) of our age is definitely William Marrion Branham.
4- Who is Jesus? The Christian God is a triune God. He is one God but three in person, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is God the Son. He is the creator of all that we see and he upholds all things by his power. But he now also has a human nature when he was born over 2000 years ago. So today he is both true God and true man. He did this to reconcile us to himself. As humans we have been made in God's image but have fallen into a depraved state. Jesus paid the penalty for our sins by dying for us. Through his righteousness we are forgiven and restored to a personal relationship with God.
This answer is wrong!
The Christian God has never been a triune God. This is the comprehension of the Roman Catholic Church and its daughters, the organized churches. Trinidad is not scriptural. No, I say no! Amen!
You cannot divide the unique God into three coequal and coendless persons.
God is one person who manifested Himself of three ways:
- as the only God and Father of everything who is above all
- as the only God came in a body of flesh to save us
- as the only God in us all by the Holy Ghost.
I do not see three persons but different demonstrations of the same God here.
Ephesians 4: 5-6; 1 Timothy 3:16; Matthew 1:23; John 1: 14; Esaiah 9:5; Esaiah 35:4-6 etc.
The Scripture tells us that God was in Christ When Jesus Christ was here on earth, and in Him dwelled the fullness of the Godhead bodily, all the great powers of God was in His Son, Christ Jesus. For the reconciling the world to Himself. Amen!
Words fail me Brother! If I could express myself correctly, fluently in English as you, I would have motivated you for a long time on this subject of the Godhead of Jesus-Christ.
Nevertheless, I invite you to consult the site below and to order the booklets below which shall be able to help you to deepen your knowledge about the godhead of Jesus.
www.inthedaysofthevoice.com
1-Sirs is This the Time?
2- Standing in the Gap
3-Paul, A Prisoner of Christ
4-Greatest Battle Ever Fought
5-Stature of a Perfect Man
6- Spoken Word, Original Seed
7-Doing God a Service
8-Spiritual Food in Due Season
9-What is the Attraction on the Mt
10-Satan's Eden
11-Third Exodus
12- Is Your Life Worthy the Gospel
13-Uniting Time and Sign
14- Taking Sides With Jesus
15-Indictment
16-Token
17- Seed is Not Heir With the Shuck
18-Rapture
19-Seed of Discrepancy
20-Man Running from the Presence
21- God's Chosen Place of Worship
22-Who is This Melchesidec?
23-It Is The Rising of the Sun
24-Does God Ever Change His Mind
25-Choosing of a Bride
26-Souls That Are in Prison Now
27- He That is In You
28-Rejected King
29-Events Made Clear by Prophecy
30-The Absolute
31-Leadership
32-I Have Heard but Now I See
33- God's Only Provided Place
34-The Wings of Snow White Dove
35-Knoweth It Not
36-Christ Revealed in His Word
37-Works is Faith Expressed
38-Revelation of Jesus Christ
39-Flashing Red Light His Coming
40-Things That Are to Be
41-Oddball
42- Unveiling of God
43-Masterpiece
44-Kinsmen Redeemer
45- Appropriate Gifts
46-There is a Man Here Can Turn
47-What Shall I do with Jesus
48-Three Kinds of Believers
49-Broken Cisterns
50-Feast of the Trumpets
51-Going Beyond the Camp
52-Reccognize Your Day & It's Message
53-Ashamed of Him
54-Thinking Man's Filter
55-Invisible Union Anointed Ones the End Time
56-God of This Evil Age
57-Communion (Tucson)
58-Christ the Mystery of God
59-Look Away to Jesus
60-Future Home
61-Proving His Word
62-Why Cry? Speak!
63- Perfect Faith
64-Desparation
65-Birth Pains
66-This Day This Scripture
67-Marriage and Divorce
68-Life Story
69- How the Angel Came to Me
70-The Way of a True Prophet
71- Seven Seals
72-Seven Church Ages
73- Laodicean Church Age
74-The Messenger
75- Man Sent from God
76-Prophet Visits South Africa
77-Only Believe Song Books
78-Understanding the Godhead
79-That Woman Jezebel
80-The Original Sin
81-The Lord God Hath Spoken
82-Signs of the Supernatural
And so on.
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Revelation 3:22
May God bless you!
Bro. Germain
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