The People in Jerusalem Today CANNOT be the Jews of the Bible!
Please understand something….God said ALL of the nation of Israel and her seed would either be blessed OR cursed, never BOTH! These blessings or curses are for a nation of PEOPLE. God never said they would be for a country.
Let’s first identify ALL (12) tribes;
Gen.46
[8] And these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt, Jacob and his sons: Reuben, Jacob's firstborn.
[10] And the sons of Simeon
[11] And the sons of Levi
[12] And the sons of Judah
[13] And the sons of Issachar
[14] And the sons of Zebulun
[16] And the sons of Gad
[17] And the sons of Asher
[19] The sons of Rachel Jacob's wife; Joseph, and Benjamin.
[23] And the sons of Dan
[24] And the sons of Naphtali
So God’s curses are not just for those from the tribe of Judah, which later was shortened to Jew, but to ALL TWELVE TRIBES in ALL of their dwellings.
Since we know the nation of Israel, all (12) tribes, did not keep Gods’ commandments, statues and laws, there is no need to try to apply ANY of God’s blessings to a country or a people that seem to fit the description! Why? Because Israel, the PEOPLE, did not obey their God! So the PEOPLE were cursed and NOT a country! In others words, God’s blessing or curse CANNOT be directed toward a country, only a PEOPLE. I can say that for a fact because of the following:
Deut.28
[2] And ALL these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, IF thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
[10] And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
[12] The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
[13] And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath;
Now I’m sure someone could find a country that posses both blessings AND curses, but that country or people CANNOT be Israel because again, the blessing, or curses, were for a PEOPLE! And since the (12) tribes of Israel did not keep God’s commandments, NONE of God’s blessings can be associated with them. Let’s read:
Ezek.2
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
Ezek.3
[7] But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.
Let’s look at it again in the book of Jeremiah;
Jer.3
[6] The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
[8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Since Israel, as a whole, did not hearken unto the Lord, they received NONE of the blessing God promised. The reason I said as a whole, is because God always had some that did obey Him; Moses, David, Job, and the prophets, to name a few. But overall Israel, as a nation, did not keep God’s commandments, statutes and laws.
So let’s read some of the curses that must STILL be upon ALL (12) TRIBES of ISRAEL! These curses MUST follow the people, ALL (12) TRIBES, wherever they dwell.
Deut.28
[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[16] Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[17] Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[38] Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[39] Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[40] Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[41] Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[42] All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
- Note these scriptures refer to a people and NOT a country.
- Israel will be cursed in the city and the fields.
- Israel will NOT get to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
- Israel’s sons and daughters will go into captivity.
[43] The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
- The strangers within the land wherever Israel dwells will come up higher and
will loan Israel money. (Understand; Israel WILL NOT be in their own land
because God had them scattered, vs. 64 below. So they are in a land NOT
their own, borrowing money, NOT LENDING!!!)
[25] The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[64] And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[65] And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
And Israel, all (12) tribes, will be scattered by God into different nation and not serve their God. Not migrate.....but be removed and scattered into ALL of the kingdoms of the earth.
Isa.42:[22] But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
Israel is stolen from, hid in prison, but no one says restore. Think about all of the people that did receive restoration in their history; the people of the countries that suffered in WWI and WWII, and most conflicts around the world. But the true nation of Israel, God said no one would restore their loss.
Do you think of a large Jewish population “hid in prison houses” when you think of the prison system?
[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
These curses are to be used as a SIGN and a wonder. The TRUE people of the nation of Israel IS NOT to be a secret! These curses are to last, not only for Israel of old, but even unto ALL of the seed of Israel today. These curses still apply to the TRUE Israelite. ALL (12) TRIBES!!
If you find a people to which ALL of these curses apply, you have found Israel.
These are just a FEW of the curses God said He would put upon Israel and her SEED FOREVER, if they did not obey His commandments. There are MANY more to be found in the scripture.
Now when you look at the people living in Jerusalem today, ask yourselves this question…..Are ALL of God’s curses really upon these people?
- Israel will be cursed in the city and the fields.
- Israel will NOT get to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
- Israel’s sons and daughters will go into captivity.
- The strangers within the land wherever Israel dwells will come up higher and
will loan Israel money. (Understand; Israel WILL NOT be in their own land,
and they will be borrowing money, NOT LENDING!!!)
- All (12) tribes, will be scattered by God into different nation and not serve
their God.
- Israel is stolen from, hid in prison, but no one says restore.
- These curses are to be used as a SIGN and a WONDER. The TRUE nation
of Israel IS NOT to be a secret! The nation of Israel IS NOT LOST and
NEVER have been as a people. They have been lost spiritually!
- These curses are to last, not only for Israel of old, but even unto ALL of the
seed of Israel today. These curses still apply to the TRUE Israelites. ALL
(12) TRIBES!!
Makes you wonder what the angel of the Lord had John write in the book of Rev:
Rev 2:[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These
things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are
not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to
come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Here is just a little something to think about: When you DO find a PEOPLE that ALL of God’s CURSES have been put upon, you will have found Israel!!
ISRAEL.....WAKE UP!!!!
Be warned! You may be surprised with the results of your search!!!
Let’s first identify ALL (12) tribes;
Gen.46
[8] And these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt, Jacob and his sons: Reuben, Jacob's firstborn.
[10] And the sons of Simeon
[11] And the sons of Levi
[12] And the sons of Judah
[13] And the sons of Issachar
[14] And the sons of Zebulun
[16] And the sons of Gad
[17] And the sons of Asher
[19] The sons of Rachel Jacob's wife; Joseph, and Benjamin.
[23] And the sons of Dan
[24] And the sons of Naphtali
So God’s curses are not just for those from the tribe of Judah, which later was shortened to Jew, but to ALL TWELVE TRIBES in ALL of their dwellings.
Since we know the nation of Israel, all (12) tribes, did not keep Gods’ commandments, statues and laws, there is no need to try to apply ANY of God’s blessings to a country or a people that seem to fit the description! Why? Because Israel, the PEOPLE, did not obey their God! So the PEOPLE were cursed and NOT a country! In others words, God’s blessing or curse CANNOT be directed toward a country, only a PEOPLE. I can say that for a fact because of the following:
Deut.28
[2] And ALL these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, IF thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
[10] And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
[12] The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
[13] And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath;
Now I’m sure someone could find a country that posses both blessings AND curses, but that country or people CANNOT be Israel because again, the blessing, or curses, were for a PEOPLE! And since the (12) tribes of Israel did not keep God’s commandments, NONE of God’s blessings can be associated with them. Let’s read:
Ezek.2
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
Ezek.3
[7] But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.
Let’s look at it again in the book of Jeremiah;
Jer.3
[6] The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
[8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Since Israel, as a whole, did not hearken unto the Lord, they received NONE of the blessing God promised. The reason I said as a whole, is because God always had some that did obey Him; Moses, David, Job, and the prophets, to name a few. But overall Israel, as a nation, did not keep God’s commandments, statutes and laws.
So let’s read some of the curses that must STILL be upon ALL (12) TRIBES of ISRAEL! These curses MUST follow the people, ALL (12) TRIBES, wherever they dwell.
Deut.28
[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[16] Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[17] Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[38] Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[39] Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[40] Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[41] Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[42] All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
- Note these scriptures refer to a people and NOT a country.
- Israel will be cursed in the city and the fields.
- Israel will NOT get to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
- Israel’s sons and daughters will go into captivity.
[43] The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
- The strangers within the land wherever Israel dwells will come up higher and
will loan Israel money. (Understand; Israel WILL NOT be in their own land
because God had them scattered, vs. 64 below. So they are in a land NOT
their own, borrowing money, NOT LENDING!!!)
[25] The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[64] And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[65] And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
And Israel, all (12) tribes, will be scattered by God into different nation and not serve their God. Not migrate.....but be removed and scattered into ALL of the kingdoms of the earth.
Isa.42:[22] But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
Israel is stolen from, hid in prison, but no one says restore. Think about all of the people that did receive restoration in their history; the people of the countries that suffered in WWI and WWII, and most conflicts around the world. But the true nation of Israel, God said no one would restore their loss.
Do you think of a large Jewish population “hid in prison houses” when you think of the prison system?
[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
These curses are to be used as a SIGN and a wonder. The TRUE people of the nation of Israel IS NOT to be a secret! These curses are to last, not only for Israel of old, but even unto ALL of the seed of Israel today. These curses still apply to the TRUE Israelite. ALL (12) TRIBES!!
If you find a people to which ALL of these curses apply, you have found Israel.
These are just a FEW of the curses God said He would put upon Israel and her SEED FOREVER, if they did not obey His commandments. There are MANY more to be found in the scripture.
Now when you look at the people living in Jerusalem today, ask yourselves this question…..Are ALL of God’s curses really upon these people?
- Israel will be cursed in the city and the fields.
- Israel will NOT get to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
- Israel’s sons and daughters will go into captivity.
- The strangers within the land wherever Israel dwells will come up higher and
will loan Israel money. (Understand; Israel WILL NOT be in their own land,
and they will be borrowing money, NOT LENDING!!!)
- All (12) tribes, will be scattered by God into different nation and not serve
their God.
- Israel is stolen from, hid in prison, but no one says restore.
- These curses are to be used as a SIGN and a WONDER. The TRUE nation
of Israel IS NOT to be a secret! The nation of Israel IS NOT LOST and
NEVER have been as a people. They have been lost spiritually!
- These curses are to last, not only for Israel of old, but even unto ALL of the
seed of Israel today. These curses still apply to the TRUE Israelites. ALL
(12) TRIBES!!
Makes you wonder what the angel of the Lord had John write in the book of Rev:
Rev 2:[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These
things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are
not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to
come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Here is just a little something to think about: When you DO find a PEOPLE that ALL of God’s CURSES have been put upon, you will have found Israel!!
ISRAEL.....WAKE UP!!!!
Be warned! You may be surprised with the results of your search!!!
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Permalink Reply by newview on
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Pharoah,
I dont deny that black slaves were under brutal slave masters. I am just saying what was suffered by blacks were not exclusive to blacks.
But please stop saying you are Jews because I think Jews have had it worse over the millenia.
No matter what country they enter sooner of later the peoples of the country rise up against them because Jews have the uniqueness of being the 'apple of God's eye'. Blessings follows them just as the curse of being hunted down and killed or kicked out of where they live.
Most recently there was the holocaust. I am not even speaking of the pogroms that have taken place over and over again even before the holocaust of the 1930's and 40's.
You do know what pogroms are - right?
I think this will go on until they break and say as a nation - Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.
My point is - African Americans are not Israelits/Jews. And even if they were - they would need Jesus to be saved. But you know this.
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Permalink Reply by BruthaPharoah on
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You do know what pogroms are - right? N/A
you don't no scripture
please lets leave foolishness alone , explaian to me the content of these versus
rev.2:9(who is the synagauge os satan)
rev3:9(who is posing as the jew???)
the book of obadiah(who was it that cast lots when israel went in to captivety???)
eze 35(what is edom doing in israel and judah)
if new jerusalem is to come down from heaven,Why are the so-call jew rebuilding the temple???
Malachi 1:1-4(why doe the lord hate these people,what are they building that,he's going to tear down)
gen25:21-23(Why is it that these two nations struggled in rebeca's stomach)
Isaiah 34:5-6 (why and when is the lord going to bath his sword in heaven for this people for there judgement???)
you think it's about race it's not sista newview
i am begging you to tell me who edom/ esau/ idumea/ bozrah/ are ???
also was jesus a racist ,when he said i come but to the lost sheep of israel???
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Permalink Reply by Eccl. 12:13 on
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Now that's what I'm talking about! This bro is teaching! What we all must do now is go to those scriptures he just gave and READ!
Thanks for posting those scriptures. I'm just trying to get some to see on the surface that the people in the land cannot be the Jews of the bible.
The scriptures you posted get's right to the meat of it. If they understood just the book of Obadiah, they would know just how mad God is with our brother Edom.
Jesus really said it best in Rev.;
"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are
not,"
"which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee"
Just who's feet does He make the ones that lie come to worship before?
If that is not a clue I don't see how anything we say can make someone what to do just a little research.
The sad part is that's all it would take to find out the truth....just a little research.
Just a few computer strokes from knowing your REAL HISTORY!!!
Or you can just read the bible......our whole history as a nation can also be found there!
As you said bro.,
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
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Permalink Reply by Ahmad Allen on
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Who are these people?---BruthaPharoah
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Permalink Reply by Rebekah on
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please explain newview....what is saved? if our judgment has not yet come....how are we "saved"? if you're under grace and are saved...i& you (for instance) kill someone tomorrow..will you still be "saved"? just curious on your views.
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" please explain newview....what is saved?..."
Sorry Rebekah - I missed this post of yours.
Saved from being seperated from God and going to a Christless grave and falling and gnashing my teeth because of the horrible pain inflicted upon ones body by fire and brimstone.
"...if our judgment has not yet come....how are we "saved"?..."
We are sealed by the Holy Ghost.
"...if you're under grace and are saved...i& you (for instance) kill someone tomorrow..will you still be "saved"? just curious on your views..."
If I am given the opportunity to repent of killing someone then I indeed have been graced by God. Some dont have the mind or the opportunity to repent - thus - hell shall be their portion.
I may have to die by the electric chair here in this world but the world to come I am good to go.
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stop dodging sista newview ,explain or keep it quiet
You do know what pogroms are - right? N/A(this just shows your charater)
you don't no scripture
please lets leave foolishness alone , explaian to me the content of these versus
rev.2:9(who is the synagauge os satan)
rev3:9(who is posing as the jew???)
the book of obadiah(who was it that cast lots when israel went in to captivety???)
eze 35(what is edom doing in israel and judah)
if new jerusalem is to come down from heaven,Why are the so-call jew rebuilding the temple???
Malachi 1:1-4(why doe the lord hate these people,what are they building that,he's going to tear down)
gen25:21-23(Why is it that these two nations struggled in rebeca's stomach)
Isaiah 34:5-6 (why and when is the lord going to bath his sword in heaven for this people for there judgement???)
you think it's about race it's not sista newview
i am begging you to tell me who edom/ esau/ idumea/ bozrah/ are ???
also was jesus a racist ,when he said i come but to the lost sheep of israel???
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Permalink Reply by Zealot X on
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What I would like the Jews to tell me is:
1) Why can they not trace their lineage to any other tribe except Judah whose name generally applies to the religion of JUDA-ISM.
2) How is it that they never lost their identity like slaves did but they lost their language.
3) Why they were involved in the transatlantic slave trade
4) Why next to none of them accept the messiah when thousands of Israelites were recorded to have accepted him in the book of Acts
5) How was Moshe white when YHWH gave him the miracle to turn his hand white and leprous as snow.
6) Why Jews have the illuminati 6-pointed star on their flag from mysticism
7) Why they rely on the US, and not YHWH, to put them in the land
8) Why the land of Yisra'el is obviously in desolation which means it was cursed which means the people were cursed but yet ALL the curses didn't happen to them. And there was a time when they weren't in the land so how were they not cursed according to Deut 28?
9) When they got patriated back into Israel none of the prophecies came true that were supposed to go along with that
10) How is it that Israelites were mistaken for Egyptians and would go into Egypt to hide (including Yeshua). Wouldn't they, I don't know.... STAND OUT? Not to mention.... Yisra'el was in Egypt and married into Hamite people for over 400 years. AND THEY WEREN'T BLACK??
That's all.... just 10 questions I have for Jews.
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Permalink Reply by Chaplain Pat Harris on
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Good questions for the Jews ZealotX.
Especially . . .6) Why Jews have the illuminati 6-pointed star on their flag from mysticism
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
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1) Why can they not trace their lineage to any other tribe except Judah whose name generally applies to the religion of JUDA-ISM.
You cant even trace the tribe in Africa your people are from when the slave ships arrived back in the 1600 or 1700 or 1800's off the coast of Africa and you are asking Jews to to trace their lineage to tribes outside of Judah from 2 millenia ago.
Thats not fair.
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