Introduction:There is a lot of confusion as to who or what the Holy Ghost is. The Holy Ghost is the angel of the Lord, and we will prove that because most people think the Holy Ghost is apart of the God Head, and that is not the case. The angel is in the presence of the Lord, but is not the Lord at all. Angels are ministering spirits, not Gods. I can go so far as to tell you what the Holy Ghosts name is, but we are going to focus on showing that the Holy Ghost is an angel. If you read this with a preconceived thought, you will not learn period, and I can tell if you have learned or not by the Posts or if nobody posts. I always have to start out with these scriptures to show you I am bringing this Word just as the bible instructs. to the Law, and testimony, Precept upon precept, Line upon line, here a little, there a little. The scriptures are also of no private interpretation.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Isaiah 28:9-11 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.


Hezekiah: Just had to get that out of the way. The ones that teach knowledge learn from the milk of the Word, and it is learned precept upon precept line upon line here a little and there a little from the law and testimony. There is also no private interpretation of the scriptures, so what I read and understand everyone else should able to read and understand if they want to.

Deuteronomy 18:15-19 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Hezekiah: This is referring to when Moses was speaking to God by the mouth of the angel. We have to lay down the ground work before we get into the Precept of this thread. He said that he would raise up a prophet like Moses, and the people will listen to that Prophet as the children of Israel listened to Moses. This is the angel that told Moses this. We will see this later.

John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Hezekiah: Ok. This is a testimony of Jesus coming to do what the Father sent him to do. This is that Prophet that God told Moses that he would send to the people. This is to show you that the Father sent Jesus, and when Jesus was on Earth, there was no Holy Ghost, and When Jesus died, there he is, waiting on Mary, and Peter and the others on the first day that many people think Jesus rose which is not true, but that is another lesson. This should show you that before Jesus came, there was the Holy Spirit, which is the angel, but Jesus was around there was no Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost because Jesus was on Earth, there was no need for a messenger, Jesus was the messenger when he was on Earth. Now we are going to read where Jesus told the people that he was going to send a comforter when he died.

John 14:14-17If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Hezekiah: So far we have God, the Father, and he sent a Prophet like unto Moses, which we found out was Jesus, and now we have the comforter, who is the spirit of truth. There was no Holy ghost around or spirit of truth around when Jesus was around because Jesus' words were spirit, and they were truth. This is why he is telling the people of the comforter he will bring when he dies, and resurrects back to the Father. I say back because that is where he came from. Remember The prophet like unto Moses. Now we are going to see what this Holy Ghost or spirit of truth does.

John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Hezekiah: So the Spirit of Truth guides you into all truth, and he speaks not for himself. He is a ministering spirit. This is why Jesus didn't need him around when Jesus was on Earth in the Flesh. Jesus words are truth, and they are spirit, so why would you need the Spirit of truth, when you already have the truth that the Spirit of Truth was going to bring. Aint that simple? He said that he should glorify Jesus because all things that the Father has is Jesus' as well. No Holy Ghost as the Godhead so far, right? Hebrews is going to let you know that the angels ministering spirits, and they are to teach the people to be heirs of salvation.

Hebrews 1:13-14 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Hezekiah: This is letting you know that The angels are not equal to God the Father or God the Son. They are servant Spirits. So we have God telling Moses he was going to raise up a Prophet like unto Moses, and the People hear this prophet as they people heard Moses. We found out that the Prophet was Jesus, and then Jesus told us about the comforter he was going to bring because there was no need for a Spirit of truth because Jesus' words are truth, and Spirit. Let's go further.

Revelation 1:1-2 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Hezekiah: So back in John, that Spirit of Truth is an angel. He said that he sent and signified the Word by the angel unto his servant John. So, It is clear that the Godhead is 2 because the Spirit of truth is the angel, but we will go further to show that the angel is the Holy Ghost, and not apart of the Godhead. Jesus is going to tell you here as well.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Hezekiah:
Jesus said that he sent his angel to testify. This is the last book on the last page of the Bible. Still no Holy Ghost in the God Head.

Acts 8:26-29 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

Hezekiah: So, the angel is the spirit, and is the Spirit of Truth. It is the angel who speaks to man directly. God the Father, tells God the Son, and God the Son tells the angel, who is a ministering spirit, and the angel tells man. That is the Godhead, and God Head Protocol. Let's define angel, and Holy Spirit, then we are going to go to more Bible.

Holy Spirit: (n.) the spirit of God.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Holy+Spirit?db=luna

Angel (n.) one of a class of spiritual beings; a celestial attendant of God.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/angel

The angel was called the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, and was called the Holy Ghost in the New Testament. We are going to see that in these next scriptures.

Acts 7:35-38 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years. This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:


Hezekiah: Didn't we read this in Deuteronomy? I think we did. It was the angel that spoke to Moses at Mt. Sinai directly.

Judges 2:1-4 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spake these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept.

Hezekiah: Do you see how the angel speaks exactly what thus saith the LOrd. This is why he is called the Spirit of Truth. The Holy Spirit, The Holy Ghost. He is in the presence of God, speaking the Word of God.

Exodus 23:20-22
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

Hezekiah: We never see the angel or the Holy Spirit doing what he wants. Being apart of the God Head. I left out a lot of scriptures out of this lesson to not make it unbearable to read. Let's go further. We are going to break down this trinity interpretation.

1John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Hezekiah: There are 3 that bare record in Heaven. The Father who is the beginning of the Word. The Son, who is the Word, or record, and the Angel or Holy Ghost because he is in the Presence of God, and the messenger of God, and they all bring the same message. All these 3 are one because they all bring one message, as we are one body of Christ by keeping his commandments. Is that not simple? The simplicity of the Word.

Zachariah 4:1-6 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep. And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

Hezekiah: Again, the angel is speaking the Word of God. You can also see that when Jesus is not around in the Old Testament, the angel is the one delivering the message. When Jesus comes on the scene, you never read about the angel coming to anyone saying anything until Jesus dies. We read where Jesus was telling the people about the angel he was going to leave until his second coming, and that angel is still around to this day.

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Daniel 8:15-18 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

Hezekiah: Now we have a name. Gabriel. There are 3 that bare record or bare the Word in Heaven, right? So this has to be that angel, or Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost we have been reading about because there are 3 that bare a record in Heaven. If you bare a record, you have some information to give. The angel Micheal is the angel of war, and that is why he does not bare record, or have a message to give.

Daniel 9:21-22 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

Matthew 1:18-25 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Hezekiah: Here is the same situation in Luke, and you will see that the Holy Ghost is Gabriel.

Luke 1:26-31 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Hezekiah: Was this not the same time period from 2 different accounts? Matthew called the angel the Holy Ghost, and Luke called him Gabriel. The angel Gabriel is the Holy Ghost, or Holy Spirit, or Spirit of Truth.

Daniel 10:5-6 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

Daniel 10:10-14 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands. And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling. Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Hezekiah: See this shows you that Micheal is not the messenger angel because Michael helped the messenger angel out, so that he could tell Daniel the vision that should fall on the people of the latter days. or in our generation because these are the last days make no mistake about it. Read Matthew 24, and it will show you the signs of the times. Now here in John 6:48 Jesus is talking about he is the bread of life.

John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Hezekiah: Remember earlier when I said Jesus' words were spirit, and they were truth, well here is the scripture. You don't need the Spirit of Truth when the Lord's Words were Spirit and truth when he was in the flesh, and now they are spirit and truth in this book we call the Bible, and now that Jesus is risen, we have the angel Gabriel, the Messenger angel, the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit still in the presence of God opening our minds and hearts to the words of this Bible, so that we believe what is written down. Did not God say the new covenant was the law written in our hearts, and in our minds? Is this not simple?

John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Hezekiah:
So, we found out that the Godhead is the Father, and the Son, and the Messenger angel is Gabriel, and he brings the word to man, and man brings the message of the Bible to all the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam. I hope you learned something from this lesson. Jesus had the words of eternal life, so the keeping of the commandments will seed eternal life, and Gabriel is the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, and He is the Holy Ghost in the New Testament.

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Come on, why is this thread still here? Eccl posted this:

Here is just one thing they either missed, or didn't bother to read;

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[20] But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

You have a BIG problem if you think Gabriel is the holy spirit because that would make him Yeshua's DADDY! But everyone knows that Yeshua is the SON OF YHWH (THE FATHER). There is no record of Yeshua naming Gabriel as his dad nor praying to him nor anything of that nature. People, for some reason or another, make things that are simple far too complex. If Yeshua is the son of Gabriel, a known angel, then he is not the "son of G-d" according to how the gospel is written.

Also, this misunderstanding of the spirit comes from a fundamental misunderstanding about how YAH works. Misunderstanding this is what creates trinities and alternate personas confused for being gods.

Ephesians 4:6 - One G-d and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The holy spirit is that part of the Father that is universal; omnipresent. It is in the grass, the trees, in all of creation. And it is in us. YHWH's spirit works through us to reach other people and in us to help us as we go through life. It is not a messenger. It is the SOURCE of the message. To further prove this...

Think of how David was given the spirit and even Saul as well and straightway they did what? They prophesied. They BECAME messengers because they had within them the very source of the message. YAH himself. Yah doesn't need messengers to messengers to messengers. He usually deals directly with the messenger who delivers the message to its recipient. I cannot recall a case where the word of Yah went through a heavenly postal system. When Yah sent an angel to Moses, Moses was the recipient. The only time there might have been a hand off was when the recipient could not hear the messenger. But that's the point of a messenger! Because humans cannot hear Yah or stand his presence he sends lesser beings to relay his message. But when he can he speaks directly to man through his own spirit. It's like an omnipresent telepathy where your spirit dips into the mind/spirit of the creator. And through his spirit Yah becomes very personal, not some far away god that has to send letters and faxes. That's not the relationship Yah wanted to have with his children. In the garden Yah was not passing notes around the classroom. He spoke to Adam directly. The same is true for those who he recognizes as his children. I have heard and felt the spirit and I know it wasn't Gabriel.

Shalom
I think the problem that created this thread was too much work to try to prove something right and not enough effort to prove it wrong. Almost anything can be made to sound biblical when you spend all your time trying to prove it. But you need to try to prove it wrong in order to know that it is true. I'm not convinced that was ever really done to this theory.
You believe Jesus was not the God of the Old Testament, so there is no way that you could figure Gabriel as being the Holy Spirit or Holy Angel. The one in the Presence of God. The One that took Lucifer's job. The protocol is The Father tells the Son, the Son tells the angel, and the angel tell man, and man tells other men. The goal is for all to come to the family of God and become God, and rule with Yeshua for 1000 years, until it is time to bring the Father's kingdom. Reread my blog we have never dealt with the Father. I keep bringing this thread up because it helps people see that there is only 2 in the Godhead. Grace and Peace
"The protocol is The Father tells the Son, the Son tells the angel, and the angel tell man, and man tells other men." - Hezekiah

Do you realize how little sense this actually makes? This is why no where in Torah is this "protocol" actually stated. You are assuming this is the case. Just like you are assuming that Yeshua is in the OT when he never says he was in the NT. Like I said before, Gabriel is NOT Yeshua's daddy. Of course no one responded to that point. And bottom line, that's all I needed to say. These are not things one even has to "figure out". It's not a mystery. The ruach hakodesh is the spirit of G-d.

Genesis 41:38 - And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of G-d is?

Exodus 31:3 - And I have filled him with the spirit of G-d, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Gabriel is not a god. He's an angel. Your beliefs are blinding you to simple truths. The ruach hakodesh is not any different from the "spirit of G-d". They are just different terms for the same thing. When Yah gives you of his spirit you don't need a MESSENGER to teach you. HE teaches you.

John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Psalms 89:18 - For YHWH is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.

The ruach hakodesh is the SET APART spirit. How is it that the phrase "holy spirits" does not appear in the entire bible? It is because there is only ONE holy spirit. He CAN'T be like others.

1 Samuel 6:20 - And the men of Bethshemesh said, Who is able to stand before this holy YHWH elohim (G-d)? and to whom shall he go up from us?

1 Chronicles 16:10 - Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek YHWH.

There is NONE like him. THAT IS WHY HE IS HOLY. HOLY MEANS SET APART.

2 Samuel 7:22 - Wherefore thou art great, O YHWH elohim(G-d): for there is none like thee, neither is there any G-d beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

You don't need to "figure" it out. You only need to hear with your ears what they heard. There is NONE like YAH and NONE beside him. Gabriel is an angel. Is he the ONLY angel? No. He is not set apart. He is not holy. Therefore he CANNOT be the holy spirit. Sure, he is A spirit. But so is G-d. But G-d is not a spirit just like all others. The term holy spirit has nothing to do with messages at all. An angel is a messenger. Who cares if the president delivers a message from the white house every year called the state of the union. That doesn't make him a postal worker. When YAH communicates his word, regardless of who it goes to is technically a MESSAGE. When I write to you, this is also a MESSAGE. Does that make me an angel? NO. See you're trying to add 2+2 here and that's why you're so sure that you have the right answer. But the answer you have come up with is based on faulty logic. It is not the specific function of the holy spirit to deliver any kind of message.

Furthermore, an angel.... is mainly a Christian concept adapted to Scriptures. An angel is not an angel ALL THE TIME. Gabriel's full time job is not to carry messages. This is why I say your protocols are found no where in scripture. It makes absolutely NO SENSE for the Father to tell the son and the son to tell an angel when the Father could send ANYONE he chooses to carry the message to its recipient. The reason we have the spirit in the first place is so he doesn't have to tell one man to tell the rest of us the same thing. The spirit itself, the SAME spirit that missionary has is the SAME spirit we can all have. The picture in your head of one "God" whispering to another "God" who then whispers to an angel who then whispers to a man who then shouts the message from the rooftops, I wish you could see it the way I do and realize how silly it is. If this is a message that a man can tell other men then what would prevent all the angels from knowing it also? But what? He has to whisper it to one particular entity first? That is some bureaucratic nonsense. I hate to rant about it but that is one of the main problems with government; a disconnection for the people.

YHWH isn't about that. He wants to have a parent-child relationship with us, not a father to son to apostle to pastor to elder to member to member. There is no middle man when you become a child of G-d. When you become a child of G-d he can deal with you directly just as he did with Adam. And this is what Yeshua taught. That's why he taught us to pray to "OUR FATHER", not "Yeshua's father which art in heaven". You're confusing a chain of command when a postal system. Everyone who is under Yah has authority over everyone who is under them. But they don't have to issue commands to the person directly under them who then goes to the person or persons under him, etc. Do not base your understanding of G-d on human mess. His ways are not our ways. The only reason we have such divisions is because it made ruling easier FOR US. But YHWH was never bound by OUR limitations. So even though it may sound good to you, its FOLLY to Yah.
Going further on the point of how YHWH deals with us through the spirit vs. through an angel. Like I showed before, when YHWH put his spirit upon the workmen no one has to tell them how to make what they were to make. They were directly connected to the source. Gabriel didn't walk up to them and be like "you need to cut this down to 5.38 inches homey". And Gabriel is NOT omnipresent. The spirit is. The ruach can be in John the Baptist and Yeshua at the same time. Gabriel cannot. And clearly when angels came, it was an external person who people could talk and interact with. The spirit however, is something internal. It's something that you have inside. Gabriel is not. "Spirit" refers to the internal or essence of something.

Another thing. The bible has no problem telling us the name Gabriel. However, how many times is the spirit of G-d called Gabriel? NEVER. No one ever says "thanks for the heads up, Gabe". Yeshua never said "Gabriel will come". Gabriel is not someone that can be poured out on all flesh.

1 Chronicles 17:20 - O YHWH, there is none like thee, neither is there any G-d beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

Only YHWH's spirit has ever been described in such terms. Consider this also.

Ephesians 4:30 - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

You mean to tell me that the one unpardonable sin is to piss off ONE angel????

Matthew 12:31 - Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew 12:32 - And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke 12:10 - And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

You think "Jesus" is the God of Bible but you can speak against your "God" but not one of his angels?? That makes ENTIRELY no sense. NONE at all. It only makes logical sense if YHWH is the Holy Spirit and the one true G-d. Never is blasphemy transferred upon transgressing against an angel. And for those who don't have the right definition for blasphemy it is disrespect for something considered holy or sacred. However, Gabriel is not a holy spirit and Yah is just a spirit. Gabriel is just a spirit and YAH is the holy spirit. Disrepect for Yah isn't tolerated because he is higher than everyone else. He's G-d all by himself. That's why its blasphemy to speak against the spirit because the spirit IS G-d. Where Christianity went wrong was thinking that it is another god when it isn't. There is no logical sense to a person being able to blaspheme against 2/3 of the "trinity" and be okay and still think the trinity is equal. Equal how? Yeshua says the Father is greater. So in what way are they equally god? This was their way of trying to make "God" into a SPECIES like the Greek and Roman gods. But Elohim(G-d) is NOT a species. It is a title for ONE position of power.

Isaiah 45:21 - Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no G-d else beside me; a just G-d and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Psalms 83:18 - That men may know that thou, whose name alone is YHWH, art the most high over all the earth.

Psalms 148:13 - Let them praise the name of YHWH: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.

These scriptures all underline the reason why none of these other theories make any sense. YHWH has already said he is the only true G-d. Yeshua said that YHWH is the only true G-d (John 17:3). There was never an argument before Christianity about how many were in a "godhead". And "godhead" is a term completely used wrong because it is simply a term meaning divinity. It does not mean some kind of collection where one or more can be G-d. These theories are a hybridization of Christian and biblical thought; a way to rationalize what people still want to believe without stepping on the further analysis they have done with the bible. But if you hold on to these believes you are limiting yourself from reaching true understanding of the Scriptures.
If Yeshua says, and I quote:
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true G-d, and Yeshua haMashiach, whom thou hast sent.

... how is it that you cannot see that Yeshua is calling the Father the ONLY TRUE G-D and if HE (THE FATHER) is the ONLY TRUE G-D then what does that make anyone else? Please.... I am literally begging you to use the mind that YHWH has given you. To not believe that YHWH alone is G-d is to disbelieve the words of Yeshua. And how can you make Yeshua into a god if you don't even believe his words? It's impossible. You honor neither of them by holding on to the Christian belief that "Jesus" is God. Because its NOT what Yeshua said and its not what YHWH said.

But apologists for this view try to get around it all by offering some weak excuse like saying the name YHWH applies to Yeshua also. But not only do scriptures contradict that, if that was Yeshua speaking in Isaiah 43-45 he would be a LIAR because back then the speaker was saying he was the only one and there was none beside him. And in the law, Exodus 20, there is no mention of any other. But somehow, NT comes, and people like.... yeah well this is how we're gonna interpret it so..... screw the law and the prophets. But if Yeshua claimed to be the only G-d in the OT and then claimed he now has this Father who we should pray to and who he calls the only true G-d then IF he was the speaker in the OT (which he wasn't) he would be a LIAR. Do you believe Yeshua is a liar? If not, start from there.

If Yeshua is not a liar then there is a Father and he MUST be the only true G-d because that's what Yeshua called him. If he is the only true G-d then he MUST be the person who spoke in the OT who went by the name YHWH. And if that is true the he also said that there is no other god and no one beside him who is G-d. See.... he already took care of the false doctrine of the trinity if you paid attention to his words. The trinity and the idea you believe in about them both being G-d rely on the idea that "together" they, plural, are G-d. In order for this to be true one of them would have to be BESIDE the other, just like how people picture Yeshua on the RIGHT HAND SIDE of G-d. But G-d has said with absolutely certainty and absolute conviction that this is not the case; that there is NO ONE beside him and that no one helped him create the earth. So he's really asking you to tell him how any one else could be worthy to be regarded as gods. Because they say so? No. They didn't create anything.

Isaiah 44:24 - Thus saith YHWH, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

We have been under the council of backwards wise men with foolish knowledge. This is what we have to come out of. You aren't out of the world just because you know you have to keep the commandments. If you are under their influence still then you aren't really keeping the commandments. For the first commandment is:

1 And G-d spake all these words, saying, 2 I am YHWH thy G-d, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

These are the words that YHWH spoke concerning ONLY himself. This is no mention of other persons being god with him or in combination. NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE THINK is written between the lines you have to read what YAH says and trust that what he says is not the deception. It's what THEY say that is the deception. How could Yah say something and someone else interprets it so that the simple and plain thing he said is no longer true? Impossible. Yah is not the deceiver. They are. And never did Yeshua re-interpret the law in a way that made YHWH a liar. Never did he say "I am god too". The only reason people think he was is because that is what THEY ARE TOLD BY MEN and it becomes what they WANT to believe. What you want to believe is powerful but it doesn't make it true. What YHWH said is true.
Always and consistently in the Scriptures it is YHWH who says he is G-d. He never even leaves room for there to be another. And this same YHWH refers to his spirit. He doesn't NAME his spirit because it is not a separate entity from him. That would be like naming a lung or an arm or your liver. But people who do not understand the bible and words make it complex in order to control people's minds by supplying them with their own understanding and making them dependent on it. Everyone should know that the spirit of something is its essence. The essence of the law of YHWH is not another or a new law. It is simply the HEART of the same law. Likewise, the essence of Yah is his SPIRIT. It's his heart, his mind, it is the very principle and foundation of who he is. And that is something that we can all share.

8:15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

Daniel is a prophet of YHWH. In Chapter 8 he has a vision. Gabriel is mentioned but Gabriel is NOT mentioned as the source of the vision. He is specifically told to help Daniel UNDERSTAND the vision and so Gabriel is there, as a man, to interact with.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

Why is Gabriel being TOLD to make Daniel understand the vision if YAH was following the protocols you specified? The voice should have told the son and the son should have told Gabriel outside of what Daniel could hear. But Daniel is hearing it just as Gabriel is hearing it. This shows that YHWH has NO PROBLEM dealing with his subordinates in front of others who aren't as high up and who have no authority.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Now if Gabriel was supposed to deliver this message there would not have been any need for the vision. He could have just verbally told him what would happen just as he does here. No visions necessary. The fact that Gabriel is told to explain it shows this message through Gabriel as a separate and addition action from the vision itself.

1 Samuel 28:6 - And when Saul enquired of YHWH, YHWH answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

Again... there is no one protocol. This shows how YHWH speaks to his people. He could use a prophet if he wants. He could use an angel if he wants. But he can also use dreams and visions.

1 Samuel 28:15 - And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and G-d is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

It doesn't say Gabriel or an angel departed from Saul, but G-d. G-d removed his spirit from Saul and that is why Saul got no answer directly from him. So then what does he do? Without Yah's spirit, without that direct connection he tries to find someone else who has that connection who can tell him what to do. Usually that is why YHWH sends a messenger. It's not for the sake of ritual or protocol, but because he CANT talk to you or you WILL NOT listen to him. The spirit represents a level of existence where they may not be any separation between us. It may simply be level of pure consciousness but whatever it is, it is the essence of what we are and we can be connected to YHWH on this level. It's not a person. YHWH sends angels when angels are needed, people when people are needed, but all these are not the best way of communication. Imagine if your mother had to hire someone to go tell you to come for dinner. That would be silly, right? If she has to relay the message through a third party then there is probably something either inconvenient about doing it herself or an inability to do it herself. Yah has no such inability so the inability is on our part as the hearers. If we cannot hear he has to use someone who we can hear. Period. Otherwise he speaks to us directly. And I've had too many experiences not to know what that's like.

Jeremiah 23:32 - Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith YHWH, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith YHWH.

Prophets, true prophets, are those who hear the word of YAH from YAH. They aren't people to whom an angel came to and told them what to say. That's not a prophet. YHWH says the person is not a prophet because HE, not Yeshua or Gabriel or anyone else, but because HE did not send them and HE did not command them. That means he has a personal relationship with his prophets where he tells them DIRECTLY what they should say.

And here is what it all comes down to.

Joel 2:28 - And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

"MY SPIRIT"

This spirit is later called "The Holy Spirit" but he said "MY SPIRIT". This is CLEARLY not talking about an angel. It is talking about the spirit of G-d himself. That's why you cannot blaspheme against it. That is why you need it to show proof of your connection with G-d. For those who have the seed of G-d will grow forth his fruit. Yah has and is pouring out his spirit upon ALL FLESH. Gabriel cannot be poured or parted out in this manner, nor can you be. But YAH can be. And because HIS SPIRIT is with all flesh they will not need Gabriel to come talk to them. They'll have dreams and visions that reveal YHWH or reveal the future directly from the source. I could go on. There are likely many things I could bring up to further prove this but this SHOULD be enough to help you understand that Yah's spirit is not a messenger but it, like anyone else, can speak and convey messages. Do not marry him to Gabriel just because you know Gabriel is a messenger. That's using what YOU KNOW to define everything that is as if everything that is was told to you. Yah's spirit is the Holy Spirit. Period.

Shalom
I have been through this with you many times on the other network..... I can prove it out, but there are limitations because you have it in your mind, and will not see the other view. I see how you think we have dealt with the Father.. I understand the verses that make you think that... You must put your wall down, and allow me to show you by the scriptures... Not by my own understanding... By the scriptures.... I do fall, and die daily, as Paul wrote, and that is why he is my favorite writter because I go through what he went through in keeping this word in a wicked world full of people who don't know they are wicked, and don't want to know, and the people who are wicked and know, but just don't want to obey... Maybe Yah is trying to get a message through to you because of your obedience to his word by my mouth.. Yah knows, but if you lift that wall. We can move forward...
Brotha, you are not proving anything. You are only talking about what you think you CAN prove if given the opportunity. I have always given you the opportunity to prove your case. You simply have not done it. You have not even responded to the scriptures I gave you. Instead of saying how you see how I think we have dealt with the Father you need to OPEN YOUR MIND and stop holding onto your preconceived beliefs or what you may have been told even though it made sense to you. This isn't about what makes sense. A whole host of Christian doctrines "make sense" when they say it. But you have to go by what YAH says!

Brotha, if YAH says, and FEEL FREE to respond with proof to the contrary, that there is no God beside him then there is no other next to him on a throne, next door to his house, to his right or left, on top of him or below, there is NONE ELSE. Such a simple statement and people do everything in this world to try and alter it. And in truth I can give you 10x more information than I have in the past to prove what I'm saying but I am always conscious of how much I post and how I might try to refrain from bruising someone's ego (if possible). But you have been making some progress lately so maybe you can take a little more.

Deuteronomy 4:35 - Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that YHWH he is God; there is none else beside him.

In the law, there is only one elohim (G-d) taught and it was specifically told to the people that there IS NONE ELSE BESIDE HIM. Not "THEM". This lines up EXACTLY with how Israelites in the NT understood it as well. I suggest you pay close attention and do not assume that I'm wrong.

Mark 12
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one G-d; and there is none other but he: 33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

These are verses people normally skip over or stop previous to. You need to fully understand and appreciate what this scribe is saying in response and what Yeshua says back to him. See the biggest problem your church has is one of addition. I don't want to over simplify it like that but that's basically the problem. See it doesn't matter how you mix up the titles and make it seem like Yeshua is the God of the OT. It doesn't matter because Yeshua, in the NT, recognized that there was another being who is G-d; THE FATHER. I have already shown you evidence where YHWH calls himself "THE FATHER" in the Scriptures. This is how this title "Father" came into being because he said that Israel was his son. This should have ended the whole conversation because it is clear from those texts that the FATHER, not Yeshua, is the G-d of the OT. CRYSTAL CLEAR. But to my recollection you never responded to this evidence. Here it is once more:

Exodus 4:22 - And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith YHWH, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
THUS, the understanding, the concept of YHWH being "OUR FATHER" was born. This is why The Father was not exclusively used as only being the "father of Yeshua" in the NT. He was ALREADY KNOWN as the Father even without Yeshua's teachings. You can confirm this in John 8. Let me show you.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even G-d. 42 Jesus said unto them, If G-d were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from G-d; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

This text does 2 things. First, it confirms the knowledge of the Israelites, PRE-YESHUA, that they believe in "THE FATHER", and that they knew HE (THE FATHER) was G-d. These pharisees are not going off of any teachings of Yeshua. In fact, they want to kill him for teaching. So what they're basing their arguments on are things that are PRE-YESHUA or if you like PRE-NT. So, not only can you not say that they haven't dealt with the father because of EXODUS 4:22 where he introduces himself (THE ONLY ONE THEY DEALT WITH) as THE FATHER, but also you cannot say it because the pharisees prove the PRE-NT belief that they were sons of G-d, which is why they called him FATHER. Again.... why were they sons of G-d? NO OTHER TEACHING EXISTED TO SUGGEST THIS OTHER THAN YHWH HIMSELF SAYING "Israel is my son". UNDERSTAND? SEE, I'm showing you BY THE SCRIPTURES so that you will understand. Thinking that you're not using YOUR understanding is, in reality, bogus, because you are either telling me your understanding of the scriptures or someone else's. There is no scripture that says point blank what you are saying or else you would have already produced it. Furthermore, YHWH, the only G-d who speaks in the OT says he is our Father and SAYS there is none else.

So again, for Yeshua to say there is someone who is not him who is G-d, THE FATHER, who he says sent him, by claiming to be SENT BY G-D he has invariably ruled himself out of being that only true G-d that he also prayed to. What you are saying may be well intentioned but it is false. You may want with all your heart to believe it. It may even be the teachings of a pastor or moreh you highly respect and its hard to challenge or go against it since you are part of his flock. However, I have no such ties. I don't have a congregation to defend and halleluYah for that. I would not want to be in your shoes. It takes strength to go against the teachings of a congregation. That's why instead of trying to do so I simply left that congregation.

Continuing onward, Mark 12 stated plainly a PRE-NT belief that lines up exactly with the law.

Deuteronomy 4:39 - Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that YHWH he is G-d in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

I love crystal clear statements like these. How can you deny this? It doesn’t leave room for the theology of your congregation. Not at all. It says that YHWH HE (not they) is G-d. He is both the G-d in heaven and upon the earth. THERE IS NONE ELSE.
1 Kings 8:60 - That all the people of the earth may know that YHWH is G-d, and that there is none else.

Understand that YHWH used repetition in order to teach. This is why we have yearly celebrations. They reinforce teachings. This phrase appears multiple times in scripture. YHWH wants you to understand this so that no one is able to confuse you. This is why you could NEVER confuse me with your church’s teachings. The word of YHWH is far too clear. “THERE IS NONE ELSE”. It’s an addition problem. The moment you say “Jesus” is G-d you have created 2 gods. If Yeshua said that he was the only G-d then that would work mathematically. However, since he recognized that he was SENT BY THE FATHER, and recognized in John 17:3 that the Father was G-d (“THE ONLY TRUE G-D”), This creates 2 in your theology. But the problem is that would make YHWH a liar. First of all, Yeshua would have to be YHWH in the OT for him to be the “God of the OT” as you thought. Second, Yeshua would have to be the Father because YHWH said he was the Father and “THE FATHER” is a PRE-NT belief. However, these things make it impossible because he did not call himself the Father and the Father spoke from heaven saying “this is my beloved son”. Therefore you CANNOT confuse these 2 persons. And the only person of the two fit to be G-d is THE FATHER. Yeshua provides all the evidence one needs for this and more by saying the Father is greater than he and by calling him, again, THE ONLY TRUE G-D. Truth is, there is nothing you can say which can make this sound logical, reasonable, or rational, after what I just explained to you. When the Scribe in Mark 12 said “none other but he” Yeshua knew 2 things. 1) He wasn’t talking about Yeshua. 2) The statement excluded anyone beside YHWH from being G-d. And as an Israelite himself, he also believed the same. Does Yeshua disagree with the scribe? No. He says this.

34 And when Yeshua saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of G-d. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Don’t you think this would have been a great time to explain how he could be G-d? Of course he doesn’t because it was never true. This is something Christianity made up after his death and he was never under any obligation to prove it wrong even though he did.

Isaiah 45:5 - I am YHWH, and there is none else, there is no G-d beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isaiah 45:6 - That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHWH, and there is none else.
Be honest with me and with yourself. How many people are speaking in Isaiah 45? Is it multiple persons saying “we”, recognizing each other’s right as G-d? Or is it one person saying “I” and “me” and categorically denying the existence of another like himself?
Isaiah 45:14 - Thus saith YHWH, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely G-d is in thee; and there is none else, there is no G-d.

Binitarians and Trinitarians would have you deceived by trying to suggest that when people said “G-d” they meant the entire “godhead” of 2 or 3. That is complete and total BS that relies upon your ignorance of the culture and the word "godhead" which was an invention of later years. Not only are you supposed to believe that Israelites were the ONLY ONES who said “G-d” singular but meaning 2 or more, but also other nations would automatically know this POINTLESS doctrine too. And I say pointless because there’s nothing at all special about creating this falsely co-equal (because Yeshua said the Father is greater) unit of divinity and calling them by singular words when in reality two persons are both G-d and NEVER EVEN ONCE are they recognized as 2 individuals even though in the NT, father and son are ALWAYS recognized as 2 individuals. You and most other people have simply been hoodwinked. There’s no nicer way to say it, but if there was I’d say it differently.

Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; G-d himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am G-d, and there is none else.

**I** am G-d. This is why Yeshua’s name means “YAH IS SALVATION” or “YAH’s Salvation”. Salvation never belonged to him. It was always YHWH’s. He was simply the instrument.

Isaiah 46:9 - Remember the former things of old: for I am G-d, and there is none else; I am G-d, and there is none like me,

NONE LIKE ME. If both father and son existed in the OT and their relationship was more than spiritual, wouldn’t the son “be like” the Father? Remember in the NT Yeshua didn’t think it was robbery to be equal with G-d. What did he mean? Well if he meant that they were ALIKE I can believe that. But in what way? For G-d to say there is NONE like me then there is also a way in which either Yeshua was simply not like YHWH OR…. He didn’t exist then and only became “like” him after this statement was made. My belief is that their father-son relationship was spiritual, as is ours. And that there is still none like YHWH.

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