Jesus was created by the father?

[James Pierce]

Any thoughts?

[ShekinahLife]

Mrs. Sledd writes:"GOD IS....GOD IS THE "I AM" He is whoever, whatever, where ever. Don't bring God into your limited understandings of who He is. He is the very air you breathe, He is the uncreated, the created, the creator.....HE IS. Thats IT!
Your limitations cannot and will not define who He is, who He was or who He will be....because He IS....just that simple. Everything you behold He IS...ALL came from HIM...even your variations."

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This would have been a good place to stop~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Using your own words...lets see the issues of what and who this man was.the man referenced as Yeshua /J-sus /Mar Yeshua Ben Yoseph. was a man and did not claim to be G-d in fact all of his dictates Even the twisted commentary to suit the antisemitic slant is for the most part Hasidic teaching from the house of Rav.Hillel.[ see 'Life and Teachings of Hillel' by Yitzhak Buxbaum ] Simply the teaching of the Day. All the Translations today are again from the interpolation of Wescott and Hort's 1841 Version..and much of recent discoveries and scriptural changes because of recent historical digs/finds have not been included....in the English/Gentile court translations. For Yeshua to be G-d Himself..The man would have to replace the Master creators words to Israel...and that is not going to Happen in any of our lifetimes,... Because HaShem never changes. We do,... we grow up and put away foolish things including Idolatry that the Man is G-d. Rome itself does not believe their own Dogma so why would you want to?
The story all unravels with true Scriptural and Historical understanding.


Moshiach will be a Descendant of K.Daveed

According to Jewish sources, [Yah know those guys who wrote their Bibl with understanding~ the Basic TaNaKh ]the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people.
He will not be a demi-god, nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1)
According to the Christian claim that J-sus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David!
Gentiles get sold on the whole he did for me thing,... However that has no place in the Theology of the Jewish Sages or National Israel.
So it had to come from Hellenistic Rome theology.

Judaism, unique among all of the world’s major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that G-d sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone’s belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed
through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the

desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.   

What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others… as it says,
"Face to face, G-d spoke with you…" The Torah also states: "G-d did not

make this covenant with our fathers, but with us—who are all here alive

today." (Deverim /Deut. 5:3)

Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

May the Sheckinah Illuminate your path up Hebron road.
This may help...
shekinahlife.com/jewsandjesus.html

[Mrs. Denise Jones]

With all you said and interpreted....GOD still IS. He is every bit of what you believe and wrote about. He IS EVERYTHING. As I stated I read the King James Version of the Holy Bible and have read other spiritual books such as the Torah, Holy Quaran, even sometimes study with Jehovah witnesses. It all leads to a Creator which created beyond ALL understanding. Who is man that he should be able to understand the MAGNIFICENT, OMNIPETENT and GLORIOUS GOD the creator of creation.Jews, Gentiles etals who really cares about your belief. Faith is the key, faith to believe that GOD IS and ALWAYS WILL BE no matter what box religions try to put Him in. Religion is a way of life, bringing your flesh under subjection, but FAITH is believing in something not seen as though it truly is and that brings us to the creator. Flesh acts, kills, destroy, argue, debate, believe, doubt, waver etc....but FAITH stands in the midst of controversy. No man has seen the Creator/Father/God/Jesus/Jehovah/G-d/Yeshua/and by any other mean that a person of belief calls the Creator. Now, because I believe in JESUS, I will speak from my faith. When Jesus walked amongst us as God in the Flesh man did not believe. They crucified him because of the above fleshly acts. But blessed are those who believe that have not seen and walked according to the example that Jesus set before us. How to worship and glorify the God. Walk in obedience to His calling to Love the Lord Our God with ALL our heart, mind and soul and to LOVE one another as we love ourselves and if we do this God is pleased. We can quote scriptures and different scriptural dialect to the end of time...But the end result is to YOU GLORIFY THE LORD THY GOD and praise and worship Him for who He is....The Great I AM. Old Test/New Test and books that were deleted are all road maps to the end result....GOD. Call Him what you may but religion is not what our creator made us...He made man in His image...AWESOME and we as humans are awesome it is how we reverence that awesomeness....by giving the one who gives us our very life gratefulness and thanksgiving, by loving Him and ourselves, because we are created in His image. Amen???

In Love, Sis. Denise

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

Judiasm is from the Hasmonean Dynasty who conquered the Edomites.. The Edomites are the ones who say they are Jews in Israel today.. Look up the Hasmonean Dynasty.. King Herod, who was Idumaean or an Edomite called himself a Jew because his religion was Judiasm.

[ShekinahLife]

Mr Israel" ~~~~Dear Sir Your info is erroneous at best and far from the facts.
And really I do not have the time to teach today...Shalom and enjoy your study.

[KL Council]

bro no offense but the mordern jew is an ayran a scot a brit a german etc.---pastorial jews are those whom follow the roman version of judism---the name judus should tell u the entire story.
the hebrew come from Jah Judiasm comes from the light (satan). abram went south and establish beth-el---south of egypt.
jkn8

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

@ YaaKov and Hadassah Terry

Why don't you research that Dynasty?

You say that my post is not correct, Look it up for yourself, and then it would nice if you appologized for calling me a liar..

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

I keep the commandments of God.. It would not be in my best interests to lie, since I believe the Bible when it says all liars will have no place in the Kingdom..

[Della Morton]

Absolutely not. Here's why. As we know God is a Spirit.(john 4:24)God himself came down from heaven as a man.He Robed Himself in flesh.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (King James Version)

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. With two natures one Divine and One Human.

Conclusion: Jesus is God Manifested in the Flesh! Col.2:9

[ShekinahLife]

Mrs Morton writes:"~Absolutely not. Here's why. As we know God is a Spirit.(john 4:24)God himself came down from heaven as a man.He Robed Himself in flesh...."

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Ok your doing good...well for a moment anyway: YHVH is ruach,or spirit,or Essence of all or the kingdom of G-d within... or....

Next Notice how you were able to weave the god of all.... into all in the man???? Using Paul's dogma. See Yeshua did not start a New religion..it was the Hellenistic and the misconstructions and misinterpretations of Paul that causes the problem.
Yeshua stated he did not come to do away or destroy the Torah That he came to fulfill it[ Mattithyah 5:17-19~~in the Hebrew Idiom that would equate to walking as Yeshua walked [ 1 John 2:v6]...As a pious, benevolent, Hasidic, Sage following Torah.
Yeshua is not a god [Venerated by Pau and Rome only]
He was as he stated a Observant Pious Jew man who revered Passover and the other six festival unto the Master creator as an object of obedience.
When Rome decided to bring out the doctrine that Yeshua was born a virgin in the year 646 CE and then Canonized it in thee year 947 CE...it totally destroyed the linage to the Kind Daveed Dynasty...and Luke's is a joke/failure leading to a complete fallacy that can Never sit on/in the seat of Daveed.

Conclusion God is G-d and Yeshua is a failed messiah.

Folks it is time to read the Bible with clarity...there is one G-d, the Son of G-d is Israel,according to Isaiah and the Psalms..of course if your teachers told you to throw out all that Hebrew traditional, Reverential stuff.
Also the Moshiach has not arisen as of yet simply because Humanity is confused and divided.
Christianity has now in AmeriKa over 600 listed Demonations of there religion...according to the Barna reports and it get s better More than 23,000 Varieties of x-ianism ~ all claiming to be the right one???
Hmmmm

Now lets look at those [ as some of you call us ~Nasty Jews]...3300 years of worshiping G-d and only 8 sects. and only one TaNaKh [ Hebrew Bible]..and they all read the same....and they all basically deal with the same traditions of observance.
The differences are like hand washing or how the Chemetz is cleaned out for Pesach/Passover...etc Noting really major.

Like Passover is to be observed Not as a fertility rite as Rome would have the children think,... But really it is all about being chosen to carry the most important document ever given to mankind...The Torah...and the Torah Obedience.

It is the English translations that cause the division...for they have been altered any any real biblical historian can tell you...Also if you follow out some of the links I have provided for any serious student on this and other Blogs at BPN the education would correct the errors and then we would all be on the same page and then maybe G-d YHVH will have the real Moshiach to this generation arise...Sadly the children will not put away their toys of irresponsibility.
As misleading as some of Paul's writings can be They still hold a superficial value towards the real walk of a Pious man of YAHweh.

[ShekinahLife]

I noted an error Old tired fingers Hee Hee~The year 697 was the date of Canonization of the virgin birth story,Not 947---Ce~~approximately 650 years after the Rabbi's death~~ SRY for the typo~~Shalom


PS: Have a great Passover

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

YaaKov and Hadassah Terry, Did you read about it, or are you going to be puffed up, and have a stiff neck..

[ShekinahLife]

I am not into contentious women..nor high-chair-tyrants of obvious arrogant ignorance...Go Study young man,... just go and study to remove that overbearing Yetzer harah.