Reason To Leave A Church

[Minister Devallon Newhouse]

As I was sitting here in thought of a discussion the HOLY SPIRIT said talk about what is a reason or reasons to leave a church. I have what I beleive is the only reason one should leave, but I am egar to see how people feel across the country.

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The Disciples went from church to church.
What is wrong with going from church to church.

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

WHERE DO PEOPLE GET OFF CALLING THE CHURCH A HOSPITAL, A HOSPITAL TREATS, OR MAKES BETTER.
GOD HEALS AND DELIVERS, HE DOES IN NO-WAY DIAGNOSE FOR HE ALREADY KNOWS. STOP THE FUTILE ARGUMENTS, AND LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR!!!!!!!!!

[Rev. Ernest Santiful Jr]

My fellow servant,
We all are workin on the building, some may do one job and some may do another, but at the close of the day my friend the power of the most high God can find us where ever we are. It just happens to be the church building with the church people in it that God is seen for whom he really is, a healer, a deliverer....

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

I believe we need to all get together on this our outlet and let the whole truth as we know it be heard, let'sget together about the issues of life and leave religion, dogma, and these man-made doctrines alone......

[Rev. Ernest Santiful Jr]

My fellow child of God,
Why do you think all this is man made hasn't all the work been ordained for the Lord's use, If we dont talk about why ill people leave the place of healing where will thay go?

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

These are the rudiments of tradition, when we didn't have all of these different entities in the family things were happening, what I mean is that GOD should always be glorified, so you see these are some of the weights that need to be laid aside, for many of them choke, and restrain alot of people. The gospel should draw, not what we think.

My brother , can't you see that people are destitute of the Glory of God, I mean why should one need a book written on how to overcome, when the truth is that we through CHRIST JESUS have already overcome..Stay in the strait and narrow and be blessed.

[Rev. Ernest Santiful Jr]

Blessings to you,
Jesus is the only way, any other way is a long journey with a terrible end. The reason we continue the press is so men, women, boys and girls whether they know Jesus or not. It is so important that we keep the proverbial doors open so that all will cry what MUST I DO BE SAVED?

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Hello all,
I am happy to return to the discussion today,
Yesterday was awesome.
I do understand the voices that have a sense of ......."something isn't quite right here in the church"

The order of things seems to be out of order in some congregations of believers.

The order that Jesus set forth is "whosoever will" can come to God. The curtain has been torn.
Their is no wall of petition between God and His mankind.

The order that some congregation of believer teach that the Pastor, Bishop or any of the names of the Ministerial staff is the one that hears from God and they give you what God has said, although that is true sometimes they give people the sense that the only way that you will hear from God is through them. That is the part that is not right or is out of order.

Jesus said, I say not unto you that I will pray the Father for you, for the Father himself loves you
When that is out of order, the people have a sense of beholding to the Pastor of the church
and will even praise the Pastor over praising God.

The Ministers are to minister unto God and give unto others the building up of their confidence in their personal relationship to The Lord God Almighty. That The Lord God talks to you personally and wants to commune with each of us on a personal level. We remain others to stay awake to that personal relationship to The Most High God and warn others about getting distracted but help others to stay focused on The Word of God while we also stay focused and in love with God.

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

Let, your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

What? wherever the Man/Woman of God is, he/she should always be the example. People are trying so hard to be cultivated, that they never cultivate themselves. What I mean is if we take a look at the Word in-depth, we will see that all of God's Children suffer. What is wrong do we all need to be fed? No, some of us must feed. The Bible says, one plants, another waters, but it is God that giveth the increase. God does not make mistakes, if you are there it is for a reason, quite possibly a season.
Everybody's talking about going to Heaven, but none want to suffer. It's all about the knowlege of how to get, but never about how to suffer. Let's begin to humble ourselvesbe before God, there are many substantial rewards, if you are not being fed then feed yourself, get off the welfare mentality, Give and it shall be given. Too many people want, and by having that mindset become wanton. Read about the Churches whether they be in Philipi, Corinth, Rome or Asia. and you will plainly see that God had his people there and there were some who were just there. Let's stop putting down the ministries, and become ministries.
For what reason do you leave a job? Would you leave because the boss never spoke to you, or because the secretary was being sexually permiscuous, or that no-one ever invited you to lunch? No you wouldn't, because then your pay would be cut off. So why does the Church have to be so much better, we are to contend for the faith. No we may never have fellowship with anyone there, but if we just do as the Lord has commanded us, we will do fine.
Don't we want to hear him say, "well done thy good and faithful servant" let's stop looking for excuses to leave and start over elsewhere, in-order to be steadfast and un-movable, we must standfast and stop moving. God is with each of us, so why not stay on the battle-field, and fight instead of looking for the perfect situation, for there is none to be found.
Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God. thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
If Jesus suffered and continued on Why shouldn't we. We must disallow any and every assumption that we are not growing or prospering because of others. Let God be true in each of our lives!!!
LET THE WORLD SEE JESUS IN YOU













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[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

the wheat and the tares should grow together, until the harvest. If it so happens that someone has joined a Church, that's the problem, the people which you have described, are creeping in unawares. In the book of Acts God added to the Church daily.
He spake also this parable; A cerain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it up the ground?
And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, til I shall dig about it, and dung it:
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
How can one uproot his/himself? Truly when we join up , we make the statement " I have been praying and asking God to help me find somewhere to worship him, And the Lord led me here" Well then how come 3 to 6 months later are we praying and asking God if we should stay there?
Too many people are lying on God, To many patsies in the way, We are known by the fruit that we bear, not the fruit of who we are. And if you have the Holy Ghost you are led of God. The Spirit of Truth is the only spirit that we should let have dominion in our lives. There are too many spirits that control us.
Do we honestly believe that God our Father plays musical chairs ( hopscotch) with our lives, and our worship . The truth is that no-one can bear fruit of themselves. Stop trying too lead so-much, and know that in-order to be great and successful leaders, we must become great and successful followers. People have to Know God , to show God. No- matter the place people or the challenge, We must at all costs follow God..

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Adrian,
The wonderful parable that you wrote is glorious.
The scripture lets us know that Jesus "the Word of God" is the "True Vine", St. John 15:1.
The physical church to which we assemble is not vine.
Confusion has a chance to arise when we mix match scripture, giving it another meaning than the true meaning.
We must know that Jesus told us to worship the Father in Spirit and Truth.
Spirit and Truth, both of these are the Word of God.
I personally have encountered many people that have confusion, thinking that the church is The Word of God.
Jesus tells us the He is the only way, which Jesus is the Word of God. For in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

The Word of God is the only way to God, the Father. Intimately knowing the Word of God and letting it grow up on the inside is the vineyard that this parable is showing us, that it is required to bear fruit from the Word of God. Obedience to The Word of God is our fruit of Righteousness. That is our pearl of great price.

[Rev. Ernest Santiful Jr]

Blessing to You,
My greatest concern is not the building, but the people that attend that building that may move from place to place or maybe those babes in Christ that have not yet come to know its more than the building, so in all this I say for those that are left my heart is to nurture them in the things of the Master, so that they will be able to share the same testimony I am delivered, I am set free, I am whole in Jesus strong and all powerful name.