WOMEN WEARING PANTS IN CHURCH....

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

Over the years, I have heard many men and women in the holiness denominations say that women shouldn't wear pants in the church.

Were is the scripture to support the ideology that women shouldn't wear pants? If it is in scripture then I would have to ask why are men wearing pants? Did men wear pants in biblical times or did their wear something that covered their loins and then long robe like attire? I mean isn't that what you depict in your biblical plays? So why aren't the men being asked to wear similar apparel in the church to maintain a outward appearance of holiness? Why aren't they asked to not cut their hair (both facial and head)

What are the clothing designations for men in the holiness denominations.

After all, without holiness NO man/woman shall see God.....

[James Pierce]

Min,

Pants are unisex lol. 1 Corin 11:14 is cultural, rather than commandment or universal. Many men in the OT had long hair, dread locks, etc. In fact. Torah says if you choose to take a Nazarite, then one of the decrees is to NOT cut your hair lol. So, in order to understand Paul's words there, you must look at the cultural setting.

[Min. LaMale Williams]

well, men wore long hair in the [key word] OT. in the NT jesus said he came not to change the law that moses had given but to fulfill the law. in 1 corinthinas he fulfilled the law by saying that it is a shame for a man to have long hair. now i ain't stuttin' the cultural setting. i'm talking about what the bible say.

p.s. i don't go by the torah.

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

you go by the bible but not by the torah... LOL...

ok. I'm gonna leave that one alone. That's for a totally different discussion LOL

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Don't go by the Torah?!?!?! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

How on Earth are you going to do away with Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy?? The law STILL stands, because it is what JESUS will judge you by in the end, my friend! Better check the Book of Revelation before you say something like that!

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

Amen!

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

Minister LaMale, I apologize for responding so sarcastically towards your comment. Please accept my apologies.

So that I may have a better understanding of what you meant, please tell me the difference between the bible and the torah.

I'm not trying to trap you into a debate about the definitions of the two words.. I just want to know what you understand.

What is the difference between the Bible and Torah?

[James Pierce]

Min,

Torah is apart of the new covenant(Jeremiah 31:31-34 & Hebrew 8:8-12). If you are living a Torahless life, then you are none of Yahweh's.

[MYBY/Moreh Yahoshua ben Yisrael]

That is the problem people don't go by Torah yet your JC did...then he said to follow him...(what's wrong with that picture)....Shaul (Paul) also followed it...so where do you think that 1st Cor..JC fulfilled the Law when is was Shaul speaking? Do you really know why Shaul said that? Do you not know that he was answering questions that you do not know was asked? would Shaul say something that contradicts Yah's Tanak (ot)?

That would be a twisted way of believing would it not? The Most high set rules and you cannot say that partial notes (NT) are above what Yah said....

Sorry to bust your bubble but the NT did not change the practices of the Hebrews...Hebrews did not wear in most cases "short hair".....that was a gentile thing....

So in order to know what Shaul was really talking about you would have to know what he was answering...IF you don't go by the Torah then you are not following Yahoshua...because that is what he lived and if you are to follow HIM you are to follow Torah....plain and simple...DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES...

SHALOM

[Evangelist Altha Fugett]

"we get this from dueteromony 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth to a man, neither shall the man put on a woman's garment. for all that do so this is an abomination to the lord"


transvestites, and cross dressers, bottom line the sin is "lying" liers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

LOL, I knew someone would bring up that scripture as the sole reason for women not wearing pants...

What's so funny about using Deuteronomy 22:5 is what were men wearing at that time? Were men wearing pants or robes? What were women wearing at that time? Dresses or robing? and why would it even be mentioned that women were not to wear "that which pertaineth to men"? What exactly pertained to men during that time?

What would women have been wearing at that time in Deut 22:5 that would pertain to a man?

Would men today wear women's pants? Would women today wear mens pants?

When we pull a scripture from the Bible, we MUST also pull in its ORIGINAL meaning and speak about it in context. One must also keep in mind that culture and not Americanize the Bible.

The phrase “that which pertaineth,” or simply the word pertaineth in the King James Version of the Bible, is translated from the Hebrew word keliy, which means “article, vessel, implement, or utensil.”1 Translators commonly render keliy as weapon, armor or instrument in the Old Testament. The word man, in both the first and last part of Deut 22:5, is the Hebrew word geber meaning “man, strong man, or warrior (emphasizing strength or ability to fight).”2 It is important to note that this is not the only word for man in Hebrew. Verse 13 of this very same chapter uses the Hebrew word 'iysh, which is also translated man and means just that – “man, male (in contrast to woman, female).”3 It is apparent that Moses, when writing Deut 22:5, was quite intentionally not talking about a man in general, but a very specific kind of man – namely, a warrior or soldier. Considering this, perhaps a better translation of this verse would be as follows:

“The woman shall not put on [the weapons/armor of a warrior], neither shall a [warrior] put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”


Saints of God, don't just throw out a scripture just because Mama 'nem did it that way back in the day. STUDY to show thyself approved unto God people. A far better reason for wearing this or that is NOT Deut 22:5 which is talking about soldier gear and inferring the attire of priests as well. A far better reason would be so that you don't cause your brethren to fall.

NOT because it makes you holy.
NOT because pants "pertaineth to men"

If that were the case the unisex clothes such as scrubs in the hospital should be FORBIDDEN and nurses should only wear dresses.

C'mon folks, you gotta do better than Deut 22:5........

What in the world does lying have to do with Deut 22:5???

Would you be considered a transvestite if you wore a shirt in a country were women don't wear shirts but the men do?

Stop being so Americanized in your biblical beliefs. Ours is not an "American God" The bible was written by Hebrews about nation of Israel and the Gentile believers who have been grafted into or adopted into that nation.

I know everyone doesnt have the zeal to go search out the original Greek and Hebrew text for each word or passage... but guess what... you should...

While we get so focused on the restrictions while searching the scriptures, we forget that they are the very thing that testifies of Christ. Far better to show a person Christ rather than be on them about wearing weapons or armor of war ... wait I mean.. that which pertaineth to men.

(and yes, I know I've opened a can of worms with this because now Deut 22:5 addresses women in the military... uh oh)

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I'll behave......this time!

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

Deut 22:5 is placed squarely in the middle of, and is completely surrounded by, ceremonial laws. If it is indeed a principle to be literally followed today, why would God choose to bury this verse in the middle of what are clearly ceremonial laws?

The second argument against Christian women wearing pants is that pants have historically been worn by and associated with men and are therefore men’s clothing. One problem with this view is that it is not a consistently applied principle among those that advocate it. Many of the articles of clothing have histories of originating with a certain sex. Consider t-shirts – these too were invented for men and originally worn exclusively by men. The t-shirt was introduced to America during WWI when American soldiers noticed European soldiers wearing them. By WWII, the t-shirt became standard issue in the American military and was quickly introduced into American fashion.6 Not only were t-shirts originally invented for men, but they were invented specifically for the military. Considering this in light of the true meaning of Deut 22:5, which seems to be forbidding women from wearing the habiliments of a soldier, it would logically follow that a woman wearing a t-shirt would be in much greater violation of this verse than a woman wearing pants. Furthermore, there is no distinction between men’s and women’s t-shirts.


Again we see something that has to do with war time... interesting isn't it.

Oh but Mama 'nem said that the Bible tells us that women shouldn't wear pants


But again I say... if that is truly the meaning of the text in Deut 22:5 then men TODAY would be out of order for wearing pants now wouldn't they? After all, did they (Hebrew's) wear pants during the days Deut 22:5.

Remember the letters in the bible were not written to YOU, Joe and Jane Doe American Christian. It was written to Romans, to Corinthians, to Thessalonians to Israelites in the OT. YOU, American Christian, get the benefit of having information that did not pertain to you culturally but you can and should most definitely glean and apply the principles behind it.

Haven't you heard people say oh just put your name in the bible and that scripture applies to you. NO my friend, the principle applies to you but the specific letter was not written to you. You were not there when Paul was in prison. You were not there when Moses was writing his books. You were not there when David and the Prophets were writing.

Stop misinterpreting God's word and using it to place people in bondage to religion instead of a relationship that will in turn change their heart and then change their clothing. the heart is the REAL issue. Get them changed from the inside out.

If the heart wasn't the issue then those priests who conspired and succeeded in killing our risen Lord, would be... "holy". They dressed correctly didn't they but their hearts were far from him.

Get some help studying your bible. Stop being stuck with King James Only and no bible dictionary, no concordance, no hebrew / greek linear bible. All that stuff is online and FREE!

do me a favor, take any passage of scripture go to this link below and search the scripture for yourself.


http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H36...


It will show you the ORIGINAL Hebrew or Greek word in EACH passage and show you what that word really means. Remove your Americican glasses when reading the scriptures.