True Holiness

[Mark H. Stevens, Th.D]

You can wear long skirts, black suits, and doilies....and still go to Hell. If you haven't accepted Jesus as Lord you are lost, holiness starts on the inside when the Holy Spirit creates a clean heart in us. The only good thing in a Chritians is Jesus on the inside, our righteousness is like filthy rags.

[Anna]

Mark & Reeree

We are to keep the Commandments of God out of love, not to be justified as you alledge. Don't you believe what Jesus himself and John said in the following texts:

John 14:21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it. (NASB ©1995)

[Lady Divine]

My dearest Anna,

I am in total agreement it is 100% about L-O-V-E.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Galatians 5:6

I truly love the Lord with all my heart, with all my soul and all my mind and thusly I have fulfilled what Jesus has said is the greatest commandment of all the commandments.

One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. Matthew 22:35-37 (NIV)



And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.Mark 12:33


A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34-35



I love you Sis.

Peace n' Blessing!

[James Pierce]

Re,

You missed one thing. If love is action, then how do we carry out love towards Yeshuah? It is by obedience to Torah. Yeshuah never taught against or opposite of Torah. All of His teachings are Torah based.

[Evangelist Altha Fugett]

James, they(his teachings) would have to be because that is what HE in the flesh was under, that is why many times HE told the disciples not to tell others who he was. IT WAS NOT TIME YET.

Remember when HE healed to the blind man? HE knew the political and spiritual ramifications, if HE stated HE was King of Kings. BEFORE IT WAS TIME.

Now it is against HIS divinity to state that the Torah was a law to HIM, HE was God in the flesh!!!

That is why HE was able to state IT(The law) IS FINISHED.

HE was the perfect sacrifice, the law was a schoolmaster, and it is burned in our hearts. We keep the Torah in LOVE, for LOVE will not transgress it and not put it away.

[James Pierce]

Evan,

No where in scripture did it ever imply that its against His divinity to say that Torah was for Him. He kept Torah all the way to His death. The book of Hebrews says He was obedient to death. But, obedient to what? TORAH!

When He said it was finished, He was not referring to Torah, rather, the complete atonment for sins. It was the end of the levitical priesthood, for which the book of Hebrews attest to.

Yes, the Torah is in our hearts, which means we shall govern our lives accordingly. Evan, you cannot take what that means to your own personal understanding. If Torah is truly on your heart, then you would live by it!

[Evangelist Altha Fugett]

It was the end of the levitical priesthood, for which the book of Hebrews attest to.


Okay that statement right there the END of the levitical priesthood? Why did the priesthood have to end?

Take in consideration Heb 7:11

In the days of the apostles, most of the Jews were bothered by the idea that with Christ and His apostles, a new order was being introduced.

This means the old order was finished. This was a troubling thing to Jews who heard the gospel. Even some after being baptized still raised questions and entertained doubt in regard to this change from the old to the new.

Under the new order (Love) circumcision could not be bound as an essential to please God; the sacrifices and rituals of the law were no longer necessary or appropriate and Gentiles were being accepted into God's favor.

The Old Covenant related to the nation of Israel.

From the day that Moses brought the Torah/the Law down from Mount Sinai it was the tribe of Levi who were commissioned to serve as priests before YHWH, the God of Israel.

This continued on into the era of the Kings of Israel. Melchizedek, a contemporary of Abraham, was not from the tribe of Levi.

Yet Moses in the Torah affirms that Melchizedek was "priest of God Most High

Now James, why did it have to end? and I'm not just speaking of the customs, why did it ALL have to end?

[James Pierce]

Evan,

Okay that statement right there the END of the levitical priesthood? Why did the priesthood have to end?

Because sacrificial animals were not sufficient enough to completely atone for sin.

Take in consideration Heb 7:11

In the days of the apostles, most of the Jews were bothered by the idea that with Christ and His apostles, a new order was being introduced.

This means the old order was finished. This was a troubling thing to Jews who heard the gospel. Even some after being baptized still raised questions and entertained doubt in regard to this change from the old to the new.

Under the new order (Love) circumcision could not be bound as an essential to please God; the sacrifices and rituals of the law were no longer necessary or appropriate and Gentiles were being accepted into God's favor.

Love has always been the order. Torah states it Duet 6, and Lev 19. Yeshuah taught nothing different or opposite of Torah. The only thing that really changed was the priesthood. It was no need for it. Yeshuah died once and for all. Nothing in Torah was added to this.

The Old Covenant related to the nation of Israel.

From the day that Moses brought the Torah/the Law down from Mount Sinai it was the tribe of Levi who were commissioned to serve as priests before YHWH, the God of Israel.

This continued on into the era of the Kings of Israel. Melchizedek, a contemporary of Abraham, was not from the tribe of Levi.

Yet Moses in the Torah affirms that Melchizedek was "priest of God Most High

Now James, why did it have to end? and I'm not just speaking of the customs, why did it ALL have to end?

All of Torah didn't end. The priesthood ceased.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Evangelist Altha Fugett:

I often ask this question, and I still haven't gotten an answer for it. Maybe you can get a response for me. Ask them all politely to prove their doctrine from the Epistles like Romans, 1st & 2nd Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Galatians, 1st & 2nd Thessalonians, 1st & 2nd Timothy, Titus, 1st & 2nd Peter, James, Hebrews, 1st 2nd & 3rd John, and Jude. Tell them that if their doctrine is true, then it exists in the teachings of the Apostles, and not just a single verse or two either. Ask them why they never answer such a request, but try to counter with "prove it from the Gospels"?

Oh yea, ask them for me why they cannot understand that the Gospels are literally still under the old covenant until JESUS rose from the dead. If I ask, they'll dodge it yet again, so maybe you can help. Thanks Sis!!

[Evangelist Altha Fugett]

Brother I have as you asked to those same questions individually without response. The reason why it is not answered is because each one of those Epistles fulfills the Old Covenant, that they are clinging to.


Their interpretation of being fulfilled will only be influenced by an experience, and that is my prayer. I always pray believing so it will be answered.

Clinging to the Old Covenant is bondage, and bondage appears, it has to, those babes in Egypt born into slavery had no idea of what freedom was. When the season comes that they step in Yeshua's love, they will experience for the first time freedom in HIM.

[James Pierce]

Evan,

Brother I have as you asked to those same questions individually without response. The reason why it is not answered is because each one of those Epistles fulfills the Old Covenant, that they are clinging to.

I believe you are more open to seeing the truth, and open for honest reasoning then Trevor. So, I'll speak to you on this matter.

The Epistles that were written has nothing to do with fulfilling the Torah. The letters that were written to the variety if Synagouges(both home and commerical), were written to established Synagouges. The authors of these letters were not writing them to establish the covenant. They were writing these letters to admonish, exhort, correct, and things along that line.

I asked Trevor to defend his Torahlessness using Yeshuah, and he cannot do it. He always run to the Apostle Paul, thinking that Paul will come to his rescue, but Evan, I know that you know that Paul was a Pharisee, and would do no such thing to downsize Torah. I can agree that the Epistles, in the way its presenting, fulfills Torah, but this fulfillment is only in the sense of carrying it out, and not to do it away!

Clinging to the Old Covenant is bondage, and bondage appears, it has to, those babes in Egypt born into slavery had no idea of what freedom was. When the season comes that they step in Yeshua's love, they will experience for the first time freedom in HIM.

Evan, You may have not saw this verse in the Torah, but I will show you how Yehwah himself says that Torah is not bondage. Duet 30:11,"For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach." My question to you, Evan,"Why would Yehwah bring Israel out of bondage(Egypt), and then bring them back into bondage(your supposed Torah bondage)?????

The New Testament agrees with Yehwah. 1 John 5:3,"3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome." Yeshuah said in Matt 11:30,"30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

According to the scriptures, Torah is not a burden/bondage, but a DELIGHT. Romans 7:12,"So then, the Torah is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." Nothing that is considered bondage would ever be called holy, righteous and good. Yehwah's Torah is still here, still stands, and we must still obey!

[Elder Matthew D. Ray]

If people start to understand that holiness is a lifestyle and not a religion or denomination we would be much better off. Its not in the way we dress, talk or walk, but in the way we live. But the catch is, IF we are practicing living a holy lifestyle, out appearance will reflect out lifestyle.

[Prophet Larry Jones]

Wow I have read almost the entire four pages of statements, argurments and discussions. I find it strange that this Blog or discussion started with What is True Holiness? And it has moved to our trust and commitment to the TORAH. Those 5 percenters will do it ever time. Oh excuse me for those that do not know, 5 percenters are those of the teaching of the Hebrew Isrealites, Black Isrealites, Moresh American Muslims believe they are of the 5 percent of the entire world that have the truth of Gods word, and are the only spokemens for God in the earth today. But most of them which I have met are angry, blasphemers, using profane language, whoremongers, and smokers just to name a few. I am sorry to be so blunt but I would like to show some light on this subject because even though these brother or sisters seem as if they are the authority and interpretors of what the writers actually meant when it was written really baffles me. For one whoever was the one to say to be born agian sorry I mean to be Born Again was an experience that will happen after death, and after the ressurection and it is not for NOW. THe actually stated that NOONE is born again right know if that be the case then no one enters the KINGDOM. But the scriptures speak for themselve, I do not want to go into it but I have to so the word say in JOHN 3:3 that 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

In this he states that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit. You can only be born once in the flesh and that does not get you access to the kingdom You mus be born AGAIN of the spirit. Now he says unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom and you must be born of the water and spirit to enter the kingdom. To avoid being long winded Jesus says the born again process is The Gospel being preach Believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Repenting of your sins, Baptism in Jesus Name and the Infilling of the Holy Spirit that all takes place in by faith in Jesus Christ A prime example is Cornileus. being born again is literal Peter taught it on the day of Pentecost. Act 2:38 explains it all. Ok enough of that. Romans 8 explains the Law in light of the new testament the best but one of the problems we will have from our 5 percenters is that they discredits the writtings teaching of one of the greatest apostles Paul. the say that he was disturbed and a heretic for his new testimant teaching I beg to differ. Although we should should listen and live by the law Pauls says that the law was weak and was design to maintain our fleshly desires yet was still weak and could not redeem us but JESUS came to condem sin in the flesh that we my walk in live by HIS Spirit and not just the letter of the LAW. Paul said there is a law working in my member that is working against my flesh. I said all that to say to follow the law is honorable but to embrace the New Testament and the teachings of it is Salvation, Deliverance and Love. If you cannot appreciate the new testament you cannot accept what God did through His only Son Jesus Christ the Righteous