Should a Woman Be A Bishop or Apostle...?

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

This is a topic which needs to be discussed. There are "pros" and "cons", but let us find the truth about this matter. A woman should not be in charge of a man at any time. God set the order even from the beginning(Genesis 3:8-16). There is no mention of any females as a bishop or an apostle in the Holy Bible. The devil has lied and deceived so many people. It is time for everyone to be persuaded by his or her own mind. I leave some scriptures for you to study and consideration. RECEIVE THE TRUTH TO BE BLESS, WALK IN ORDER AND GUIDE OTHERS !!!!!!!

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Level 1? Seasoned Apostle? Sir, I do not doubt that you are seasoned, but you act as if you are not prone to error. Ordained, Anointed and Equipped, and yet still capable of error. Regardless of how high you are, you are still human and can be corrected, even by a younger Apostle-Elect and Prophet.

"I said, Days should speak, and multitude of years should teach wisdom. But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgment. Therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion." Job 32:7-10

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Amen Evangelist. Continue to bring the souls in baptizing them into the name of the FATHER, and the Son, and HOLY GHOST.

What is misunderstood is that by stopping women from taking their place that GOD has assigned them, you actually fight against your own cause (if you cause is the "Great Commission"). By hindering women, you theoretically cut your work force down by 50%, and thats only if you have a Church thats 50% female. Odds are, you don't. I don't think any one in Western Christianity does, particularly those stemming from the Pentecostal background.

Those you do not respect, you cannot and will not learn from. There were many that did not respect Apostle Paul: imagine how much they robbed themselves of. There are those that do not respect female leaders: imagine how much they rob themselves of information/revelation.

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

Women are to learn from men according to the scriptures. You are heading for destruction. God will judge you and will strict you from the apostleship if you continue with this heresy teachings.

Apostle, Riley

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I doubt that sir.....

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

You are close of being a second heretick (Titus , chapter 3).

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Again Apostle, I doubt that.........

[A.W. Bowman]

While this exchange has some interesting points being made, the discussion is also being pushed into an area that is not under consideration. That is, religious leadership and authority vs. legal authority and the rendering of judgments. Deborah was both a prophetess (*) and a judge (שפט, shä•fat') over Israel (and not a priest).

This passage has been used by several people, for different purposes. Judges 4:4, "Now Deborah [also called the lady of light or the lady of fire], a prophetess * [H5031], the wife of Lappidoth, she judged [H8199] Israel at that time." That is, she rendered judgments arising out of controversies over legal matters: to judge, govern, vindicate, punish; in this case, to judge as a king would judge, i.e., as in Moses deciding cases between men in Ex 18:13.

Judge, shä•fat' (a verb) is variously translated in the KJV as: judge (v) 119, judge (n) 60, plead 11, avenged 2, condemn 2, execute 2, judgment 2, defend 1, deliver 1, misc 3, noting that all of these different translations are “correct” depending on the part of speech the verb takes in the context of the verse in which it is found.

Note that Deborah gave Barak a prophesy concerning the upcoming battle – but because Barak refused to take his ordained leadership role and turned that responsibility over to Deborah, she took the honor of victory away from Badrak and gave it to another woman, Jael – a rebuke to Badrak. See all of Judges 4, with emphases on verses 5-9

Also note, it was made clear, upfront that Deborah was married. This is an important note in Hebrew thinking and places everything that Deborah did within the context of the Hebrew worldview. That is, it is “understood” that under Hebrew custom and law Deborah had to be first submitted unto her husband, both as a wife and in regard to any profession she might be engage in. Practical results: Everything she did in these two offices as a prophetess and as a judge, she did with the knowledge and consent of her husband (social and spiritual covering and authority). This same order is reflected in the New Covenant as well (Eph 5:22 & Col 3:18)

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* Note. In the O.T. the term prophetess was frequently used to denote a woman who was the wife of a prophet, bishop or presbyter (See Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon, H5031, prophetess: a) ancient type endowed with gift of song (Miriam), b) later type consulted for a word (Huldah), c) false prophetess (Noadiah), d) wife of Isaiah the prophet

Huldah, the wife of Shallum ben Tikvah, was one of seven prophetesses mentioned in T'NaCh who lived in different times. These seven prophetesses were: Sarah, Miriam, Devorah, Hannah, Abigail, Huldah and Esther.

According to the Medrash (Pesikta Rabbati, ch. 26), Jeremiah prophesied in the streets of Jerusalem; Tzefaniah delivered his prophecies in the synagogues; and Huldah had a school for women in Jerusalem, whom she taught the word of HaShem insofar as it pertained to Jewish women, mothers and daughters.

For additional information see:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112503/jewish/Huldah-...

Concerning Deborah, see:

http://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/6764/jewish/Deborah.htm

And, also note the enclosed article on the Deborah page, Women of the Inner Bible

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

Correct. Women can only be in charge of other women. Women who usurp authority over me are Jezebels and withches trying to change God's order. Repent! Repent! Repent!


Apostle, Riley

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

You are right in this saying. 100% correct!

Now, be a good teacher to us all Apostle, and please tell us: what is the full definition of the word "Usurp", and when/how is it properly used?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Apostle Riley, you said:

"Pastor, Ford is under my authority, so i will correct him, Greene, you need more training and prayer. Get your house in order, then your ministry will be in order. Turn from your wicked ways.... !!!!"

Sir, my house is fully in order. My ministry is fully in order. No man can say they don't need prayer, so yes I do. No man can truly be Christ-like and say they can't learn some more. However, when it comes to your idea of training, I will gladly decline.

As for Pastor Ford, if a man speaks to me in a disrespectful manner, I will both address him directly, and speak to his "authorities". However, if his authority is speaking the same nonsense, then I fear for the generations coming out from that line. If a man cannot be rebuked, he and who ever taught him such are true usurpers of authority.

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

Again, I inform everyone to stop using the term title relative to the offices of Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers. People who will not accept the office assisgned to them will never grow, will cause confusion and mislead others. Falana, a woman recently joined this site needs guiduance and rebuke. As an apostle, I am responsible for any erroneous doctrine presented. I will serve God and obey God by correcting those out of order (A-men).

Apostle, Riley

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

True, and erroneous doctrine is that a female cannot be a Bishop or an Apostle. Its that simple! You speak as though it is impossible for GOD to use a female in such a manner.

You had a request from me concerning "erroneous" doctrine: what is the full definition of the word "Usurp", and when/how is it properly used?