Hi believers, well, I used to watch Perry Stone's weekly show. I delighted in his teachings on the relevance of the original Hebrew customs just as I delight to hear sincere people anywhere enlighten us to Christ's magnificent truths that was first 'cast to the ground' by the Roman entrance into Christianity and second, carried on to this day by the European/American white religious hierarchies of the world.

Yes, Perry was my man. For the most part, he did not abuse his platform to promote right-wing politics as that which is the 'will of God.' Well, I only started watching him this year so if he had, I wasn't aware of it. Throughout, the months I watched him, I did hear a flicker of right-wing gibberish here and there, but for the most part, I thought he did an excellent job in using 21 minutes to teach on the Bible before using the last 9 to pimp the cost of his videos. Yes, he peeked our curiosity with 'bits of the truth' then told us if we wanted to learn more of the Word of God's Hebrew ancient relevance we'd have to pay for it. Such is life!

Within the last month or so, I have had to altogether stop watching both, Perry Stone and Jack Van Impe. Their fangs are out, and it's against none other than our beloved President Obama. Oh, and now, according to 'Perry Stone, It's also against blacks who voted for him. Yes, Molech, Obama and Black People' was the topic of his 7/26/09 rebroadcast shown on the Christian Television Network.

it seems, Blacks are impoverished because we supported Obama. We are not Christ-like according to the racist, demented mindset of these crippled, blind, bigots. According to Perry, Obama signed a bill that would support 'worldwide' abortion. I doubt if the bill was signed to do that and would love to hear Obama's side of the signing in of this bill.

Well, anyway, that's where Molech comes in. He had a big statue of Molech on his television show. Yes, just bought a big old evil Idol statue and put it on his make-shift stage platform. He then explained that during ancient Biblical history 'Molech' was the 'false idol' that the evil masses sacrificed their children upon which of course, wrought the wrath of God. He's right ofcourse, according to the Bible that's exactly what happened and should have happened to any people who purposely slaughter their children in the name of a false idol. (Lev. 18:21; 29:2-5).

Perry declared that when Obama signed this bill in question, it was tantemaunt to 'throwing children to the fire of Molech.' Yeah, no kidding, he really is warped enough to believe such nonsense. For the record, there is no government forced abortion in America. Obama nor any righteous person advocates women aborting their babies. No 'throwing the babies to the Idol Molech' can compare to what those people did in the Bible Nor is it right to twist Scripture to make it seem that 'one is promoting Molech' and baby killing. It is wrong. It is sniful. It is evil to do such a thing simply because one doesn't agree with the idiotic stance of the Christian right when it comes to resolving the issue of abortion.

For the record, I pray women will keep their babies and know God will provide a way for them if they call on Him. I do, I sincerely do. God bless the babies in the womb.

Anyway, there is more than one way to resolve the issue of abortion. The way to end abortion is to do a mass out reach to women who are committing abortions. It is NOT to curse people who vote Democrat and believe the issue of abortion can be resolved OTHER ways. It is the Christian right who has failed to utilize those other common sense ways and instead chose to unleash a spirit of 'hate' upon Democrats who will not warp their mindset to see things the way the Christian right perceives them.

Yes, it is the leadership of the so-called Christian Right who are the real 'evil' in the land, in as much as they decided to use the issue of 'abortion' as a political football to entice their masses to vote Republican. They have sinned greatly before God as they took a 'demonic' stand and unleashed it as the only way to resolve the matter of 'abortion.' Where's there outreach to women? Why not bombard the television and radio airwaves with truths' of God's love for women and the baby in the womb instead of 'hate Democrats' because they are 'liberal' and want abortion to remain on the books? Why not call out the women who are freely carrying on in this matter? They are the ones who will have to answer to God for committing abortions. The Christian should be addressing women and not a political party who they don't like. God's wrath is upon the Christian right for not taking some of those millions they get and building 'baby towns' where mothers can go to live and get schooling and job opportunities in order to take care of their babies.. Etc.

Dear people, do not let the 'satanic' stance of the Christian right deceive you. For that is what they are, 'deceivers.' At least, with regard to this issue. Christ is not a Republican or Democrat. Christ did not call us to put our faith in a political system. Indeed, throughout the Bible the religious, and political systems are denounced by Christ. Whereas the Republicans and their filthy mouthpieces with the likes of Rush Limbaugh are 'blessed' by the so-called Christian right as the answer to all America's woes, the bulk of which the Republicans brought about.

This is why many of my posts denounce the so-called Christian right and their wicked, ungodly, political stance that has wrought the death of our soldiers who were illegally sent into Iraq/Old Babylon to build it up for the Anti-Christ. At least, that's what Perry, Jack Van Impe, and that ridiculous Hal Lindsay have been preaching for decades. It's now a historical fact, Bush/Cheney and the Right wing in these end-times, lied and deceived in order to build up Old Babylon as the economic headquarters of the soon coming Anti-Christ. This blatant glaring truth is never, do you hear me righteous people, NEVER spoken against by the Christian Right.

However, Obama has been blasted subtly and now overtly ever since he took office. Well, spiritual warfare consists of fighting our enemies where they aim at us. The Christian Right is the one that is using 'politics' as a weapon to promote their right-wing satanic hate. We true believers must then counter it by using ''the truth of God's word to show up their 'political' deceit.

Perry in mad, deceit, decried every believer who voted for Obama. Correction, every 'BLACK' believer who voted for Obama. He said, nothing to the millions of whites who voted for him. He inferred, we voted because Obama was black. Well, not exactly, we voted because we were horrified at Bush/Cheney and the Katrina catastrophe. We were horrified at the open attack on the Middle Class that was causing blacks to lose jobs. We voted for Obama because he declared he would get our beloved soldiers, too many of them African/American, out of Old Babylon/Iraq that Perry and the other speakers all say will be the 'economic headquarters' of the Anti-Christ. We voted for this intelligent, sincere, man who spoke upon 'change' and when blacks saw that whites were willing to give him a chance, we voted enmasse for this black man and his beautiful black wife and daughters. You betcha' we did. We voted, and in so doing, prinicpalities of white hatred was hurled to the ground. We a people whose ancestors' were slaves could do no other in the eyes of a Just and Mighty God who alone, pulled this miracle off. Oh, yeah, Praise God we voted! Praise God, Obama won!

Nonetheless, according to Perry Stone, 'we African/Americans are 'bad.' We are not of God.' In this case, he strongly decried the 'poverty' among blacks as a result of us voting for 'bad Obama.' Bad Obama did not out of a spirit of satanic greed, bring this country to near economic collaspe, rather bad Bush/Cheney and the right wing did this evil of which Perry did not rail against.

Bush/Cheney went after the middle class to altogether alleviate it. God's word repeatedly states that 'he is the father of the poor, widows, orphans, working class i.e. wage earner,' and to attack them is to attack God. This is what the Republicans did during their eight year reign and the Christian Right blessed this 'evil' before God, Yet anything Obama does to straighten it out, is cursed as anti-Christ. Naw, their not racist. That's sarcasm, ofcourse.

Listen, unfortunately the church has not dealt with the demonic spirit of racism that is entrenched in the heart, soul, mind and spirit of white America, or at least, the bulk of them. Perry doesn't realize that his stance is that of an arrogant, hell-bent fool when it comes to politics. He's of the madness of the Christian right. They are not 'right', they are 'wrong' and the god of this world has blinded them to the madness about them.

I was flipping the channels last week and dared to stop to hear the mad mutterings of Hal Lindsay. He actually, with a satanic glaze proclaimed that 'Liberals look at he, and his republican brothers like Rush Limbaugh and dare to call them racists, when they are not racist, rather, the Liberals are.' Well, In the first place, 'liberals' aren't the only ones to look upon their racist nature for what it is. Whew! See what madness has overtaken them?

God has turned them over to a reprobate mind because they refuse to yield to the truth. Instead, it is none other than the Christian right who unleashed this division in America when they wrongly took their 'hard-core' stance via making abortion a political football, in order to pimp right-wing politics.

It is therefore incumbent upon believers to speak against their madness lest their twisted voices be raised to do more satanic damage than they have done in the last 8 years. Again, there has been little to NO condemnation of Bush/Cheney and the Republicans who murdered our beloved soldiers when they illegally sent them in to build up the Iraq/Babylon economic center for their soon coming anti-Christ. If anything, that's offering 'our children to the fire of Molech"

Yet, Obama signed a bill, of which we all should wait and hear Obama's and the Democrat's reasoning as I am sure it is sound and was not designed to 'slaughter the unborn' to that big old Molech Idol that Perry convenienly got his hands upon. Obama is about elevating all the masses. The Republicans were/are about elevating the rich at the expense of the masses. The Republicans are responsible for the millions who lost their jobs. As we follow the news, we see, people are so broken by it that there is now an increase in mothers and fathers killing their children and themselves. Perry nor the right wing would never, ever rightly blame the Republicans nor denounce their 'white' followers as 'bad' or 'anti-Christ' or 'not of God' for voting for all this evil unleashed by Bush and the Republicans.

Yet, our beloved President has barely held the reigns of power 6 months and Perry Stone is now using his show to promote 'hate' for Obama and dare accuse black people who voted for him to be 'out of the will of God.' He is mad, satanically mad.

Yes, wrath is coming upon America, for sure, unfortunately our beloved country with good opportunies has been decimated by the Bush administration. They sold America to these foreign enemies who have sinisterly brought in their army. I, once heard John Hagee proclaim, 'you have probably shaken hands with a terrorist and don't know it,' meaning, that's how many Bush/Cheney administration allowed to come in here. Yes, for love of a dollar, those satanic possessed, greedy males would sell this entire country to foreigners.

All these Republican evils are blessed by the Perry Stones, and other poor, deceived souls of the Christian Right. As so, we must withstand their madness. As anyone in their right mind could see, Perry was waaaaaaay out of control. They are mixed up and deceived to the core. They use Scripture, NO, they 'abuse' Scripture in order to promote their madness. Black people as you can see, that madness is getting waaaaaaaay out of control as this man, Perry Stone has decided that his right-wing warped mind is right ergo, we BLACKS ARE DECEIVED AND NOT OF GOD.

This arrogant, wrong, defiant stance if continued could very well lead to a race war. It will break up the black churches with good sense, from this white barbaric false church mentality that is deceived and deceiving. I'm telling you, Perry Stone openly declared his warped stance as 'right' and as so, blacks who voted for Obama are now seen as the enemy.

The answer is to 'cry aloud and spare not' in order to show up their satanic lunacy for what it is. Such a dangerous disposition must be destroyed. People please comprehend that this is a very dangerous 'racial' stance this foolish man and the Christian right has taken. We, as blacks, must counterattack as if we don't, it will very much lead to 'division' for no one in their right mind is going to agree with Perry and the Christian Right's outlook on the matter of Obama and abortion. They are wrong! They always were! They went about this matter via promoting hatred of 'liberals', 'democrats' and any and all who refused to buy into their mad stance as the only way to deal with abortion. Now look where their evil mindset has come to, 'open attack' on black people and Obama.

This hateful stance could lead to one of their nutcase followers seeking to hurt our dear President. It could and probably already has begun to lead to 'division' and 'racial tension.' The Bible says, ' there is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof leads to death'. This 'leads to death' way is the mindset of arrogant, self-righteous, ignorant Christian right leaders with the likes of Perry Stone. I reitierate, it is a real dangerous disposition that Black clergy must arise, unite and denounce. The weapon of our warfare is 'truth'.' Speak the truth against the Christian Right's hypocrisy as it will demolish them and save lives.

Black people, Perry, who I once adored, showed his true face and it was stenched and entrenched with the demonic spirit of white racism of which he hurled against 'we black people' who RIGHTLY voted for Obama. People wake-up!
'And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set us free' Let's let it this time, let's full-force unite and let it!

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You are so right according to the Word. I thank God that I will not have to suffer through the tribulation period. It is my prayer that those who believe the Church will suffer through the wrath of God will sooner or later learn the truth which shall put their minds at ease.
Chaplain,

The truth is that the doctrine of the pre trib rapture started around the 1830s. One could easily say,"Well, the truth started in the bible." But, if historical evidence and documents prove the pre trib rapture wrong, then logically, one must re-consider, and re-examine the text.. right?
I agree.....
Hi Chaplain, delighted to have your input. Yes, we thank our Heavenly Father that Yahshua has redeemed us from the 'wrath to come.'
Ms. Elaine:

Matthew 24 and 25 never speak about a pre trib rapture at all. All Christians know this as being the Church of the living GOD, but not all Christians want to KEEP it the Church when it comes to the drama coming our way! The wrath to come is not speaking of the anti-Christ's wrath on us, but GOD's on the world. We speak so heavily on faith, but never want to have to actually use it. Faith is not for the good and happy times, but for the bad and worse times. Hebrews 11 a seldom read chapter, speaks on this. I say seldom read, because you hardly ever hear people speak/preach/teach on the people of faith that died, were tortured and didn't receive the promise of GOD. Everything is all good until the fire is turned up!

The Apostles asked about the end of time in Matthew 24 and JESUS started off by saying to them (and essentially, the ENTIRE Church) ".....Take heed that no man deceive you." There was no break or indication of the rapture in between His words.
Praise God for your insight and gift of discernment. I have said all along that abortion is not of God but as Christians, we have a duty to reach out to these women who are hurting, confused and afraid with love, compassion, and education. This election has revealed the true nature of many people from all walks of life. Many of us may not agree with Obama on every political issue, but know this, his winning this election has a divine purpose. From the time he took office, the hidden sins of many are continuously being exposed as well as their true nature, both within the body of believers and non-believers as well. The Bible warns us in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

For Christians to take a stand against each other is exactly what Satan is trying to accomplish - divide and conquer. I agree with you Ms. Johnson, as children of God, we must hear with our spiritual ears the truth and receive it into our hearts and trust God who is still in control, and do our part as the unified body of Christ to pray, fast and walk by faith in obedience to the Word.
Taking a stand against the Body of Christ is not necessarily wrong. What if the Body is in error? Do you just go with the flow? If you think the Body can never be wrong, then do some church history and see the MANY errors of their ways be it Eastern Orthodox, or Western Christianity (Roman Catholic & us the Protestants)! The Word of GOD simply corrects, but do people want to be counted as being in error in front of thousands and maybe millions? OF COURSE NOT! Hebrews that were faithful to GOD from the old covenant didn't fully understand the things to come concerning CHRIST's birth death and resurrection because it was prophetic: a shadowy revelation of things to come. Likewise, no man can say they fully understand the rapture, or the anti-Christ because it is prophetic, not even an Apostle or Prophet. It is a shadowy mystery of things to come, "for we only know IN PART, and we prophesy IN PART". With all the revealing, there is still portions that will be a mystery to a man.

Concerning the rapture of the Church, where can you find the pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24-25 or the Book of Revelation of JESUS CHRIST? The answer is nowhere! We have this grand idea of a "Left Behind Series" life coming up, but thats not true at all. Notice something here: Matthew 24-25 are one whole prophetic word from the LORD JESUS Himself to the 12 Apostles. He didn't stop for air, didn't take a day to change it up. This is one long conversation. Matthew 24 talks of the evil to come and how we will be witnesses of it, the abomination of desolation (anti-Christ taking his place), and wars and rumors of wars. Where was there in this chapter a sweeping away of the Church before all hell broke loose? If that were true, would the LORD have said that we wouldn't see such evil? We will not be around for Christ's judgment on the Earth, but we MOST CERTAINLY will be here for the anti-Christs attack on the Church. IN all end-time prophecy, Israel is still here. Have we forgotten that WE ARE NOW APART OF ISRAEL!?!? What do you think the Church is??? A religious entity?!??! NO!! The term Church, just like that term Apostle, is a political term Church means "Assembly". It was like an embassy of the Greco-Roman empire on foreign soil. The word Israel literally means "Prince of GOD". The Church of Christ is literally apart of the Kingdom/Nation of Israel, or also known as the Kingdom/Nation of the "Prince of GOD". Romans chapters 2-11 describe how we the Gentiles are now citizens in the Kingdom by faith. Ruth gained such citizenship. We are not Hebrew, no, but we are Kingdom citizens. If Israel is in trouble, likewise the Church is going to feel it, because like it or not, we are the grafted in ones, not them. Israel may be lead by a prime minister, but in truth, it is the only nation besides certain Arab/Islamic countries that out right recognizes that it is a Theocratic state. Why do you think the Church is tax exempt in America? Because we're liked? NO, because we are literally an embassy here representing the Kingdom of Heaven! The Roman Catholic Church, even with all their flaws, understands this fully. This fully explains why Christians are the only faith to hold a seat within the United Nations (the Vatican).

Pharaoh was plagued by GOD when Moses said let My people go. Israel did not suffer such plagues at the hand of GOD. However, Israel did get bothered by Egypt! Our drama is not to worry about the LORD getting us; our drama is to guard our faith as the Anti-Christ comes and tries to sway us first, and then to literally torture us out of the Kingdom. In the Book of Revelation, there is not ONE indication that the Church is raptured before the drama hits.

ALL PRE-TRIB TEACHINGS COME FROM ONLY ONE PLACE AND THAT IS 1 THESSALONIANS! If it were true, then other Apostles would have said it, starting with APOSTLE JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH! If it is true, and I am wrong, then please show me the order and where the scriptures are found using more than just Thessalonians. I have no problem being corrected, if properly shown within scripture, be it OT or NT.
Hi Trevor, the below written Pre-tribulation compiled facts can be found on this enclosed link. I posted this as it is the belief that I adhere to with regard to Pre-Tribulation Rapture. These are some of the Biblical proofs. I think alot of the pre-tribulation rapture is wrapped up in knowing the Hebraic customs as they too tell the story of the rapture.

However, let me say, in searching for an already compiled facts on the pre-tribulation rapture stance, I see there is a real fierce battle going on between the post, mid, and pre tribulation folks out there.

The argument seems harsh of which I don't approve of. I simply thought I would pull up already compiled facts as it's easier than recompiling the same conclusions I adhere to. Okay, it's a long read but enjoy...:-)


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http://heaven77.50webs.com/apretrib.html

WHY I BELIEVE THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
by Alan Yusko

This tract may be freely copied/printed and distributed in any means possible. The only restriction is that it not be changed.

I wrote this tract in light of all the confusion concerning the timing of the rapture. I believe the Scriptures support the pre-tribulation rapture and this tract will outline some of the reasons why.

One thing that pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib rapture folks all have in common....they all believe that the Lord Jesus is coming back soon! However the 'blessed hope' is only for those who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture. The other views unfortunately, are all waiting for the anti-christ and not the Lord Jesus Christ. They have lost their blessed hope! The other views are robbers to the Christian as they seek to steal from the believer the imminent, soon, unknown, time & hope of the rapture.

Another thing the other views have in common. They all viciously attack the pretribulation rapture. The goal is to disprove the pre-tribulation rapture at all costs. Each of the views contradict and disprove each other but they are all strangely united in their attack of the pre-tribulation rapture.

The attacks have confused many Christians and caused some to forsake all prophecy. What a sad thing to happen! Prophecy is a blessing and it should be studied as about 1/4 of the Bible deals with prophecy in some way. Jesus rebuked the people of His day for not recognizing what was written by the Old Testament Prophets. They should have recognized all the prophecies related to the Messaiah. Today we are living in the days before the Second Coming of Jesus. How much more should we study and be encouraged by the sure Word of prophecy in these troublesome days.

In this tract I'll present several reasons why I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture.


REASONS FOR THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
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NUMBER 1 ..... The 70 weeks of Daniel's prophecy.
********* ..... This is for Israel not the Church!


All the other false views on the timing of the rapture have one thing in common. They don't understand that God has a plan for the Church and God has a plan for Israel. The Church is a mystery, a called out people between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel's prophecy.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE and UPON THY HOLY CITY, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

**Note: notice that the 70 weeks are 'determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city'. This is the Jewish people of Israel and Jerusalem. We could stop right here as Daniel specifically says that the 70 weeks are for Israel and not the Church. The Church is a called out people between the 69th and 70th week. To put the Church on earth during the 70th week is to contradict Daniel above.

Notice that 70 Weeks of years (490 years) are determined upon the people of Israel to:
- finish the transgression
- to make an end of sins
- to make reconciliation for iniquity
- to bring in everlasting righteousness
- to seal up the vision and prophecy
- to annoint the most Holy (The Lord Jesus in the Millennial Kingdom)


All this has NOT yet been fulfilled. It will yet be fulfilled upon the nation of Israel just like Daniel was told. Lets continue on in the prophecy:

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


These verses are talking about the 7 weeks and 62 weeks of years which add up to 69 weeks. At the end of the 69th week the Messiah will be cut off This happened at the cross of Calvary. So all that is left is that final week of 7 years. For a more detailed explanation get a good prophecy book that studies Daniel's 70 weeks. (Hal Lindsey, Grant Jeffery, M.R. Dehaan, Dwight Pentacost, J. Walvwood, Dave Hunt, Paul LaLonde etc...)

For a review: Daniel said there was appointed 70 weeks of years for Israel to bring in all righteousness and setup Messaiah. When Jesus entered Jerusalem in His triumphal entry it marked the end of the 69 weeks. So we are waiting for the 70th week to be fulfilled. This 70th week begins when the anti-christ confirms a covenant with Israel for 7 years. In the middle of the week he will break his covenant and commit the abomination of desolation.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Now between the 69th and the 70th week there is a time gap...commonly refered to as the Church age.


Points to consider:
- The prophetic 70 weeks stopped at the rejection and death of the Lord Jesus Christ, The Messaiah.
- That occured after 69 weeks or 483 years.
- God has been using the Church (invisible body of Christ) during that time period.


QUESTION: What caused God's prophetic time-clock to stop ticking after 69 weeks and what will cause it to resume at the 70th Week?

Notice the following Scripture:

2 Thessalonians 2
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


God is currently restraining the anti-christ by His Holy Spirit working in and through the Church (all the Spirit-reborn believers). When this restrainer (The Church) is removed, then and only then may the anti-christ be revealed so he can rise to power and confirm the covenant with Israel. As long as that restrainer is in the world the anti-christ cannot come to power...God's restrainer is preventing that. (2 Thess 2:7)

None of the other rapture positions can give any account for what is restraining the anti-christ. To clear up any misconceptions I'll say that the Holy Spirit will NOT be removed from the world. This is a common argument - based on lack of knowledge of the pre-trib rapture. It is usually given by those who say this 'proves' the pre-trib rapture is wrong. But the pre-tribulation rapture does NOT state that the Holy Spirit will be removed, but rather the Church will be removed. How can an omni-present being be removed from anywhere? It cannot be done. God the Holy Spirit is omnipresent and will never cease to be anything less than that.

However in this Church age, God is restraining the Wicked One by His Holy Spirit through the Church. When the Church is removed the Holy Spirit will still be here....but the restrainer won't! At that point the anti-christ will be free to rise to power and confirm that covenant with Israel to start the 70th Week of Daniel.

To restate, the 70th week is a prophetic week for the Nation of Israel. The first 69 Weeks were for Israel and so it is with the 70th Week. During the 70th week God again deals with Israel and there is really no need for the Church to be present on earth.

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NUMBER 2 .... The Wrath of God is NOT to be poured out on His Church.
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Many scriptural promises of escape from the wrath of the Tribulation or the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy must be ignored by the other rapture positions.

Verses like:


Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.


Romans 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


THE ABOVE VERSES MUST BE IGNORED! It is amazing how the Second Coming will be like the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot. Notice that God did not pour out His wrath UNTIL He had safely removed both Noah and Lot to a safe place. The post tribbers ignore this and expect the Church, the Bride of Christ to endure the full inpact of the Wrath of God....and the question is WHY? Why must the church endure the Wrath of God? It just doesn't make sense.

To teach that the Church will go through the 70th week just doesn't line up with the Bible. During the 70th week the book of Revelation will be fulfilled....with the seal judgments, trumpet judgments, and vial judgments This is the WRATH of God and the Church has no part of it.

Why should the Church go through the 70th week of Daniels prophecy when that time is specifically for the nation of Israel and not the Church. God has made provision for Israel after the abomination of desolation. They are told to flee and there is a place prepared for them. There is no such provision for the Church...because the Church will not be here in the 70th week.

- God made provision for Noah and the flood.
- God made provision for Lot at Sodom
- God makes provision for Israel in the 70th week of Daniel.
- There has been no provision for the Church to go thru the 70th week. Why....no need as the Church will not be in the world at that time.


After the rapture at the beginning of the 70th week God will seal 144,000 Jews. The spotlight is again on the nation of Israel and these 144,000 will win an innumerable number of people to Christ. They will take over and do the Commission the Church has done for the last 2000 years. The Gospel will go world-wide and everyone on earth will hear it!

So why should the Church be in the 70th week? There is really no reason or purpose. Today we have Christians in every major city....during the wrath of God we will have pestilence, all the vegatation burned, all water polluted and some say that it will not affect the Church? Sorry I find that hard to believe.

A final point is that during the Church age the devil (gates of hell) will not overcome the Church. During the 70th week the devil WILL overcome the tribulation saints.

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NUMBER 3 .... The coming of Jesus is imminent! His coming will
********* .... be at an UNKNOWN time and a KNOWN time.


The other views destroys the doctrine of the imminent coming of Jesus. Jesus is coming at an unknown time and believers are constantly being told to watch and be ready in Scriptures. All the other incorrect rapture views deny the imminent coming of Jesus.

These verses must be ignored - or destroyed by the other views. Notice that the command is to watch because the time of the coming of Christ cannot be known! That is called imminence!...as it could happen TODAY!

Matthew 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 WATCH THEREFORE: FOR YE KNOW NOT WHAT HOUR YOUR LORD DOTH COME.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: FOR IN SUCH AN HOUR AS YE THINK NOT THE SON OF MAN COMETH.


Matthew 24:42
42 WATCH THEREFORE: FOR YE KNOW NOT WHAT HOUR YOUR LORD DOTH COME.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: FOR IN SUCH AN HOUR AS YE THINK NOT THE SON OF MAN COMETH.


Matthew 25:13
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Mark 13
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of THAT DAY AND [that] HOUR KNOWETH NO MAN, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, WATCH AND PRAY: for YE KNOW NOT WHEN THE TIME IS.
34 [For the Son of man is] as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for YE KNOW NOT WHEN the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, WATCH.


Luke 12:36
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed [are] those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find [them] so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 BE YE THEREFORE READY ALSO: FOR THE SON OF MAN COMETH AT AN HOUR WHEN YE THINK NOT.


1 Thessalonians 5:1
1. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6. Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us WATCH AND BE SOBER.


1 Peter 4:7
7. BUT THE END OF ALL THINGS IS AT HAND: be ye therefore sober, and WATCH UNTO PRAYER.


Now as you have read the above verses...let me ask you a question. Can the time of the Second coming be known? Can we know the exact day? ...... According to these verses the answer is NO! We cannot know the exact day of the return of Christ. Jesus is coming at an UNKNOWN time!

The UNKNOWN DAY of Jesus' return:....the rapture: We will not know when the rapture will occur. It is an imminent event ... which means it could happen at any time. No prophecy needs to be fulfilled before it happens.

In light of the UNKNOWN day there is also a KNOWN DAY of Jesus' return. Did you know that after certain prophetic events the exact day of Jesus's return can be marked on a calendar. Did you also know that you cannot have a KNOWN day of Jesus's coming and an UNKNOWN day of His coming...on the same day? The UNKNOWN day is the rapture and the KNOWN day will occur at the end of the 70th week where Jesus will setup His kingdom on earth. Read on for more information about the KNOWN day.

Daniel 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and in the MIDST OF THE WEEK he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

ONE WEEK = 7 YEARS

MIDST OF WEEK = 7 years divided by 2 = 3 1/2 years


Daniel 12:7
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a TIME, TIMES, AND A HALF; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.

TIMES, TIMES, AND A HALF = 3 1/2 YEARS


Revelation 12:6
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

AGAIN 3 1/2 YEARS


Revelation 12:14
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

AGAIN 3 1/2 YEARS


Revelation 13:5

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
AGAIN 3 1/2 YEARS
NOTE: *** a prophetic week is 360 days ***



The KNOWN day: Once the 70th week of Daniel, or the time of Jacobs trouble begins we can easily tell the exact day when Jesus will return. Once the antichrist and Israel sign the covenant we know that in exactly 7 years Christ will return. In the midst of the week (3 1/2 years) the antichrist commits the abomination of desolation. From that point in time we know there is: 3 1/2 years left, or 42 months left, or 1260 days left. At this point the coming of Christ is KNOWN. So what do we do with all the verses that say His coming is UNKNOWN? Throw them out? Of course not!

NOW in light of all this information about the KNOWN day and the UNKNOWN DAY we can think this through. Since the incorrect views put the rapture sometime after the 70th week begins, they have lost the unknown day. All the verses that say that the coming of Christ will occur at an unknown time must be thrown out. If I am here then when the antichrist signs the covenant with Israel then I know that in exactly 7 years Jesus will return. You can be assured that I will mark my calendar!...and count the days!

If by chance I miss the beginning of the 70th week, I won't miss the abomination of desolation in the middle of the 70th week. At that point I know that in exactly 1260 days Jesus will return. You see I've lost the unknown day because I can mark the day on my calendar. I may as well throw all those UNKNOWN coming verses out. There is no problem with the pre-tribulation view on the rapture. The rapture will occur at an unknown time sometime before Daniels 70th week begins. At that point the Church is taken to heaven and with the restrainer removed the antichrist may come to power. There an UNKNOWN day and a KNOWN day at the end of the 70th week. We have perfect harmonizing of Scripture with the Pre-tribulation rapture....the correct view. With the all the other incorrect rapture views we have to throw out the Scriptures related to the UNKNOWN day.

To repeat:

Since the false rapture views believes the rapture will occur sometime after the 70th week then why the command to WATCH and be READY? In the verses above the exhortation is to WATCH, WATCH, WATCH, and be ready! Why WATCH if the rapture will not occur until the end of the 70th week. Why bother watching for the coming of Jesus? Why not wait until you are in the 70th week to begin the watch. Human nature being what it is, that is what most people will do. So not only does the incorrect rapture views rob the Christian of the Blessed Hope of Christ coming to take him from the world before God judges it....he has no purifying incentive in lifestyle. Jesus cannot come today so why live in Holy expectation of His coming? However the pre-tribulation view has a great BLESSED HOPE looking for the coming of Jesus at an UNKNOWN time....that time could be today!!!!! Since the time is unknown and it COULD be today this is a purifying hope also....and encourages Holy living.


Titus 2:13
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;


The post/mid/pre-wrath robs the believer of both the blessed imminent expectation of the believer and the purifying hope of Christ's return which could happen today! These views are a robber. Another way these incorrect rapture views robs from the blessed hope is... if the Church has to go through the 70th week it doesn't have much to look forward to. There will be 7 seal judgments, 7 trumpet judgments, and 7 bowl judgments. During that time all the vegation will be burned up, all the water will be polluted and turned to blood, the sun will scorch men, there will be massive earthquakes that shake every city in the world, and 100 pound hailstones. Now for the average person looking forward to going through that....we don't have a hope but rather a dread and something to be feared. Then as a result of God judging the world there will be massive death and not many men will make it to the end...maybe only several million as opposed to 6+ billion currently living. What a 'hope' these views offers... almost certain death as God judges the world with His bride it it. Then they have the nerve to call those who believe in the Pre-tribulation rapture as an 'escape' theology. God has promised an escape from His Wrath and Judgment for His people and these false views make a mockery of that promise. This does not make sense to me!!...or to the intelligent person who thinks it through.


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NUMBER 4 ..... Populating the Millenium: and Post-tribbers
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Lets draw the picture here. We are at the end of the Tribulation and Jesus is coming. At this point the post-trib wrath rapture happens and all Gods people are raptured and given new immortal bodies. The wicked are left to be judged by God... So we have all God's people removed from the earth...and all the wicked left. Now the question is: who will populate the nations of the millenium? The fatal error is that there is no one left to populate the nations of the millenium if the rapture happens at the Second Coming.

If the rapture occurs according to pre-wrath or post-trib we have a problem. Maybe you can answer that little problem....If all God's people are raptured at the end of the Tribulation at the 2nd coming of Jesus...then who will populate the millenium? Surely not the wicked.. You see the folks with the truth of the pre-tribulation rapture don't have any problem populating the millenium with mortals...but the post trib view does.

This is a nasty problem for the incorrect rapture views. You see if all of God's people are raptured at the very end when Jesus returns that leaves only the wicked left. The wicked will all be destroyed at the coming of Jesus...so you have a problem. Who will populate the millenium? If the rapture occurs at the 2nd Coming all of God's people will have their immortal bodies and they will not marry, have children etc...so they cannot be the ones who populate the millenium and have children etc. Some of course try to argue that the wicked will inherit the Kingdom of God. What foolishness to lower oneself in order to defend an incorrect doctrine.


2 Thessalonians 1
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


Notice that ALL those who are not saved will be destroyed. By that time men will have accepted or rejected Jesus. So I repeat at the second coming of Jesus...all the wicked (Christ rejectors) are destroyed and all Gods people are raptured (according to post) then there is no one left to populate the millenium.

Lets dig a bit deeper about the lost inheriting the Kingdom:

Will the Christ rejectors inherit the Kingdom...in other words the wicked Sorry that will not happen. By the end of the 70th week all mankind will have chosen sides either for or against Christ.

Again no problem with the pre trib view as there will be tribulation saints that will survive to the very end of the 70th week. The survivors of the tribulation saints will go into the Kingdom and not the wicked who will be destroyed. These saints will have children who must choose to accept or reject Jesus. As in every dispensational age sinful man has failed and at the end there will be many who have rejected Christ.

However if the rapture happens when Jesus returns you have no one to populate the kingdom. Problem for post trib and pre-wrath...no problem for pre tribulation.

For those who are still not convinced and think the unsaved may inherit the kingdom of God....here are some verses that say it all:

Psalms 2:12
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.


Zephaniah 3:9
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.


Malachi 4:1
1. For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.


Matthew 13:41
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;


Matthew 24:51
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 25:12
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.


Matthew 25:30
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Luke 17:29
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.


Luke 17:27
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.


Luke 17:32
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.


1 Thessalonians 5:3
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


2 Thessalonians 1:7
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:



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NUMBER 5
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The other tribulation views allows no time for the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Marriage of the Lamb, and the Marriage Supper to occur.

The Judgment seat of Christ:
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Romans 14:10
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.


2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.


1 Corinthians 3:9
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


1 Corinthians 4:5

5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.


The Wedding and Marriage Supper of the Lamb follows the Judgment seat (Rev 19:7-9). This occurs BEFORE the second coming which is recorded in Rev 19:11-21.


Revelation 19:7
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


Only the Pre-Trib position allows sufficient time for these events to occur. You see believers will be in heaven at least 7 years before the second coming of Christ...lots of time for the Judgment seat, the Wedding, and Marriage Supper.


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NUMBER 6 ..... 24 Elders: Representative of the GLORIFIED Church
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Here is a description of the 24 Elders:


Revelation 4:1
1. After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4 And ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in WHITE RAIMENT; and they had on THEIR HEADS CROWNS OF GOLD.

- location is around the throne
- Wearing White Raiment which is a promise to the Church
- They had crowns of Gold on their heads indicating that the judgement seat of Christ has already occured and His Church has been rewarded


5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
6 And before the throne [there was] a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7 And the first beast [was] like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast [was] like a flying eagle.
8. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about [him]; and [they were] full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


Revelation 5:8
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

- They are kings and priests before God. Another promise to God's Church


9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.


- They have crowns on their heads. Only the Church will receive and wear crowns which they will then throw at the feet of the Lord Jesus in worship. The fact that they are wearing crowns indicate that the Judgment Seat of Christ has already occurred. This alone refutes the other incorrect views on the timing of the rapture and proves the pre-tribulation position as correct.


Some more points proving that the 24 elders represent the Church:

- They are numbered (24). On the other hand angels are never numbered

- Their position suggests that they represent the Church. They are seated on thrones surrounding the Throne of God. God gave the promise to His Church that she would reign with Him. Here are some promises the Lord Jesus gave to His people related to reigning with Him:

Revelation 3:21
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


- They have white raiment again suggesting the Church. The white rainment represents the righteousness that has been imputed to the believer as a result of what Jesus did on the cross.


Revelation 3
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

- They have a priestly ministry: They have "harps and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of the saints." (Rev 5:8)


This concludes this section. I think there is enough evidence to suggest that the 24 Elders represent the Church. The fact that they have crowns on their heads proves the Beama seat judgment has already occurred. Only the Church is promised crowns in Scripture and in Revelation Chapter 4 they are wearing those crowns!

If that is true, which it is, then the rapture must have already happened!


OTHER POINTS
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Here are a few additional points to consider related to the timing of the rapture.


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POINT 1
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The other incorrect rapture views cannot explain why the church is so prominent in Revelation chapters 1-3, yet so totally absent during the wrath portion (Chapters 6-18)

The obvious reason is the Church is not on the earth.


Again the question arises? Why must the Church endure the wrath of God? The Seal, Trumpet, and Vial judgments will decimate the planet and there is no purpose at all for the Church to be here during that time. The 70th week, The Time of Jacobs Trouble is for the nation of Israel....."

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Here, Here Chaplain, Praise God, how right you are. The true nature of 'many' have come out with the Obama election. The blatant hypocrisy is astounding in its' manifestation. It is as if Obama is a 'beacon light' God is using to shine on the hypocritical nature of the Christian right's leadership.

The so-called prophetic teachers have for decades preached emphatically that 'their' America isn't involved with the end-time 10 nation union out of which the Anti-Christ will definitely come. They quoted Thessalonians which speaks of the 'man of sin NOT being revealed until after the church is removed. However, now that Obama has become President all that's changed. All of a sudden they venomously mutter, 'it's Obama, he's the one, no doubt about it, he's evil, he is the Anti-Christ!' The Lord Rebuke their madness!

I believe the 'divine purpose' you rightly spoke of with regard to Obama is that a true church without spot or wrinkle is being born. A church that God will use to make a distinction between those bound hypocrites. This church will mount up on wings like eagles, we shall run and not be weary, we shall walk and not faint. Moreso, we shall do the exploits that the prophet Daniel spoke upon. (11:32).

May God bless and protect our beloved President who came forth speaking of the justice, unity and liberty Christ would have all to walk in.

Again, thank you for your enlightening comments. Tthey are a blessing.
The hypocrisy of some Christians is tragic!

It is amazing that certain Christians feel that Obama is more wicked than right-wing republican leaders because he is not blocking women from killing their babies that they dont even want. He is not making them.
However...
America goes around the world in the name of spreading 'our democracy' and the 'christian ideals' of America by killing little brown babies.
Yes, Killing babies are wrong - whether in the womb or out of the womb - but why would anyone think that the Lord is against laws allowing abortion and yet be for America going to the middle east and...
1)killing women that indeed are seeking abortions by bombing the babies out of them;
2)killing the women that do NOT want to abort the babies they are carrying;
3)killing the babies that are alive and kicking IN the wombs and
3)killing the babies that have just been born

Thats hypocrisy and has nothing to do with Christ.
Maybe Christians need to stay out of politics altogether.
To say that Christians need to stay out of politics is foolish! The Book of Revelation is a political book. Just because you have visions of things in the book does not mean that it does not have political meaning to it. GOD's Prophets have been in the political forefront since time could remember; The very term "Apostle" (Apostolos) is originally a political term that literally means "Ambassador", not just "Sent On".

Yes this war is messed up, but not totally. Israel still needs help, and the Church needs to wake up about that! America is doing some foul stuff, true, but that needs to be corrected. To leave political issues alone is to do EXACTLY what the enemy wants us to do!!

Let me ask you all a question: who here knows about the 501(c)3 Forms for Churches? I'm asking for a specific reason......
I said MAYBE they need to get out of politics altogether. And the reason why I said it was that if they are going to rally against abortion in the name of Christ - then they need to cry out against killing in the name of this wicked country and ISRAEAL wont be out of danger if she keeps away from her only true savior - Jesus.

We cant even kill in the name of helping Israel. Thats not what Christians are called to do.

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