Should a Pastor, Pastor a Church for free

[Pastor Lorenzo Edwards]

Should a pastor that spends most of his time preaching and teaching get paid for what God has him to do? I know what the scriptures says about this, but would you pastor for free?

[John]

I too have shown this video of Creflo/Cryptflo Dollar (sorry but I can't help it) and there are many others just like him that are Hirelings for self and not about God's business. He destroyed a scripture in Matthew so bad until I got ill trying to understand what he was talking about. There will always be those with the spirit of Satan that takes our Father's Word and misuse it for their own meaning to justify what and why the do what they do. As God said in Revelation 22:11, he that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still.

I've seen some of the replies from those with titles that seem to disagree and we know why they disagree don't we? Just let me say this, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck unless Satan is in them as the serpent to deceive those being talked to. If Creflo has yachts, planes, many luxoury cars and homes then he must be getting that money from his 9 - 5 job and not the congregations he runs. NOT!!! Personally I don't mind exposing those against God as He said to in Ephesians 5:6 - 13 and won't back down but STAND! Sister EW you get the responses from those that have the same spirit as Creflo Dollar so of course they will be against what you say. You keep STANDING in Him as you and Brother Watchman do. God bless and how is that little one doing?

[Child of the Kingdom]

Hi John,

God Bless you. The baby is doing fine. She is on my lap as we speak (smile) A little more difficult to type but I can't help it. I much enjoy holding her. As always, we will continue to shout out the truth. Like you, I get ill when I hear some of the things coming from the mouths of those that mean God's people no good. You also continue to cry aloud and spare not.

Take Care

[ShekinahLife]

EW ministries writes:"God Bless you. The baby is doing fine."

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...Remember the child between the ages of 1yr.to. 6 yr. has the IQ of 180 to 210 ...use your time wisely...NO shots (to dumb them down) No social-conditioning...only G-d breathed truth.

[Pastor Gregory Stanley]

ew ministries do you have an old testament to go with your new testament? i noticed you couldn't dispute what I said about Paul said about the law being holy. Sounds like you just don't want to tithe, how do you know if Creflo Dollar is taking all the tithe? He is teaching on tithe he didn't say pay it to him nowhere in this but you did, so who is the liar?

[Child of the Kingdom]

Are you calling me a liar, I just put up a video. This video should offend you.

What the Bible really teaches concerning giving money and other resources.

Contrary to popular belief, the Bible does not teach us that we should still be tithing. Tithing was one of the many commands that God gave to the Israelites. No where in the Bible is it taught that we should stop doing all the other things contained in those laws (like sacrificing animals, honoring God on the Sabbath, not eating certain animals, etc) except the law of tithing. The Bible clearly does not teach that tithing is the only part of the Old Covenant laws that we should still be doing.

God did make a promise to the Israelites in the book of Malachi but New Covenant Christians were not the intended audience. We are told in Hebrews 7:22 and other places that the covenant God has for believers ever since his son Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead is a 'better' covenant. This covenant of grace is better in all ways.

This message is not some new trick to try to get people to give more. Instead this is an attempt to teach that Christians can be free of the bondage of tithing and give the same way it is taught and demonstrated in the New Covenant. The Bible teaches that we are to enjoy being generous!

What is tithing?

None of the 'tithing' that occurs now has any connection to the definition of tithing contained in the Bible. (other than to mention 10%). In a nutshell, the were three tithes from some of the Israelites and a 4th from the Levites to the Levite priests.

1)The Levitical tithe required those who raised crops (not everyone and not all professions - just those who raised crops) to give 10% of that to the Levites. This tithe only occurred 6 years out of the 7 year cycle. It also required those that raised 10 or more animals to give each tenth animal that passed under the rod to the Levites. If a person raised less than 10 animals, they were not required to tithe.

2) From what was given to them, the Levites in turn had to give a tenth of the very best to the priests.

3) The festival tithe required that those who raised crops or animals to set aside 10% for the annual festivals. It was for the people to have a party and consume the food joyfully and alcoholic beverages (strong drink) if they wanted.

4) The Poor tithe occurred only in the 3rd and 6th years of the seven year cycle. This was set aside for the poor.

All tithes were always food and NEVER money and yes, they did have money and silver back then. Everybody did not raise crops for a living.

[Pastor Gregory Stanley]

I absoultely disagree but as usual you take one thing and run with it and never answer direct questions. The question was (open your eyes so you can see the question ew ministries) Did Creflo Dollar (who by the way I don't agree with most of the stuff he teaches) say to give the tithe to him? And do you have proof that Creflo Dollar takes or receives the tithes that are given? Because see we have to be careful not to accuse people unless we have sound proof. That is all I asked, didn't ask for a breakdown of scripture because I could get those same scriptures and give them to 10 preachers and get 10 interpretations, so save your long answers and interpretations because your basing it off that you don't want to tithe, I chose to tithe and will always tithe dosen't mean I'm out of the will of the Lord and dosen't mean your not either, we just chose to disagree on this issue...still love you and I hope you love me but can you answer the question please

[Child of the Kingdom]

Of course I Love you brother,
There is no discussion on this forum that results in me not loving anyone. I know that not everyone agrees, but for me it is not an issue of not loving anyone. I have the love of God in me and therefore, this is what people will get from me. That being said, I never accused or eluded to knowing what Creflo Dollar does with tithe money, I merely put up the videos from a young man who use to be a member of Creflo's church. I think the video speaks for itself in terms of the manipulation and treachery Creflo uses to scare people into paying tithes.

You misunderstand my take of a few things. There is a difference in tithing and New Covenant giving. Yes, we are to give to the poor and needy and to be a blessing to the men of God, but to associate our giving with tithing (an old testament law) we are binding ourselves to the whole law. Biblical Tithing is a totally different thing than giving in the new testament covenant we have in Christ. The model of giving is best displayed by the apostles. The 10% tithe in no longer relevant. We should really give more but it is not just for Pastors but for the poor as well. Should we only give to Pastors and not the poor and needy?

[Pastor Gregory Stanley]

as I have stated in the past any Pastor who takes the tithe for himself is wrong but I don't believe tithing is wrong. Tithing should be for the homeless, widows and those in need and also to take care of the house of God. This is what we do at our church, in fact we just got through using a substantial amount of tithe money to paint 10 homes in our community free of charge to the homeowner. I believe the tithe is what God set in place to take care of the church, not chicken frying, car washing or garage sales but tithes so that there will be meat in my house.

[Pastor Gregory Stanley]

and by the way ew ministries if you listen to your own commentary you did say that they were giving the tithes to Creflo, go back and listen to yourself. Stand on your belief brother but don't slander people

[Child of the Kingdom]

Brother, I am your sister, not a brother. This video is not my commentary. As I stated before, one of Creflo's previous members put this video up. I just retrieved it from Youtube. Yes the brother in the video is saying this because he is a former member of Creflo's church, I am merely showing how people can twist scripture to scare members into submission to the LAW.

Your work in the community is commendable, My husband and I like to give to those in need as well. However, we don't like to call it tithe but rather offerings. To call it tithe is a whole other meaning according to scripture. I have shown the biblical meaning for tithe and it is different than what you do in your community. It sounds like we are saying the same thing but I don't like the old testament use of the word tithes but rather to give according to the spirit. My husband and I give as the spirit leads us to give not according to fear of a CURSE.

[ShekinahLife]

EW Ministries writes:"My husband and I give as the spirit leads us to give not according to fear of a CURSE."

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You go girl!..oh BTW you forgot me in your Chanukah offering..shalom

[Child of the Kingdom]

I thank God for you all. (smile) I have been going over the information you sent me on my site a little at a time. My little one (new baby) is very demanding of my time. I see how strongly you portray the truth and I am glad to see it. My husband and I will continue to go over it together and perhaps incorporate it into our children's homeschooling.

You have made me want to study the Torah as have some others on various sites. I want to know the truth because I know it will make me free. Thanks.