Here is another subject no one wanted to discuss and maybe because it's in the Book of Revelations and I hear everyone stays away from Revelations because it's either hard or some say it's symbolic or whatever. Personally I think the message to the seven churches in revelations is important for us all to understand. I feel the seven churches though there were others during those times but are significant for us as Christian believers. I feel we are in the last church age, Laodiceans and the worst of them all because of our lukewarm attitudes and it shows by our "can't we all just get along" and "don't hurt anyones feelings" outlook on things.

I'd like to discuss all churches and the messages our Lord and Saviour gave us and what our overcomings in His condemnations mean. Anyway in Ephesus when they lost their first love, was it evangelizing that they lost because they started defending the Word amongst those that started changing doctrines and thus stopped evangelizing when that is what our Saviour wants us to do? Talk to me somebody.

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Church of Ephesus -- Revelation 2:1-7
To the angel of the church in Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) write: These are words of Him (Jesus Christ) who holds the seven stars in His right hand and walks among the seven golden lamp stands:

V2 I know your deeds, you work hard, and always persevere, but I have important words I think you need to hear…

V4 Your problem is you’ve lost your first love, and so you must repent.
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Praise: I know that you do good deeds, and work hard. You are patient and cannot stand evil. You condemn those who do wrong and hold false teachings to the fire.

Condemnation: You have left your first love - the core of the gospel.

Challenge to believers: To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Advice to leaders: Remember where it is that you have fallen from, repent and go back to the original teachings.

1. Reflect: Think back and remember the original vision and goals.
2. Repent: Decide to change. List what you must discard and prioritize.
3. Restore: Begin to restore one top priority at a time, each week.
4. Recognize: Remember that God holds us accountable. He rewards fruit, not activity.

Application: Men intent on abandoning the word of God (their first love) for their own doctrinal interpretations.

What was the 'First Love' Lost in Church of Ephesus?
What is a Christian’s first love? It is Jesus Christ, the Savior, the living Word God. How is it then that they leave Him? By becoming involved in ‘church’ and following the teachings of the church, the traditions of men, that make void the Word of God, which is Christ. They are wasting their time. Christ said, so Himself. Mark 7:7 “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men”.

Solution to the Problem: Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation of the Solution: They better leave “Churchianity”, i.e. quit playing church, and start studying and following the will of God, else HE will come quickly and remove their candlestick, by declaring it a non-Christian church, a Beth-Aven, which is Hebrew for “House of Vanity”.

Some people have a real hard time understanding how there will be Christians that do all these wonderful works and yet do not make it into the Kingdom of HEAVEN. Jesus addressed this issue. Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.

The inference here is the addition of doctrines into the church, placing more importance on them than on the Word of God. This refers to legalistic churches that institute man-imposed salvation requirements, such as specific baptism rituals, or organization membership, and teach that there is no salvation unless these requirements are met. They focus more on dos and don'ts and on who does and doesn't do, than on the core message of scripture and thus they deny salvation by grace through faith. The easiest way to spot a church of Ephesus is their claim of being the only true remnant church of Christ and their insistence that there is no salvation outside of their organization and without their rituals.

Denominations known for this practice include the International Church of Christ and the United Pentecostals (UPC - Oneness Pentecostals).

Ephesus, the first church, portrays the Apostolic period, from the birth of the church, at the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2), until approximately AD 100
Praise God my Sister! This is what I felt God had shown me and I thank you for this edification. I do know God will reveal to you if you are sincere. This is what I felt was told to me that the first love was Jesus and just spreading and teaching the Gospel and not defending the Word. God doesnt' need us to defend Him, we need Him to defend us, against the wicked one. I thank God for you Sister Gadsden and that's real.

Sister Gadsden my heart is heavy about a topic on my mind and I haven't started it for some reason until I feel God has given me the go ahead. The topic is Masons! I know this will get me thrown out of here for sure. lol God bless you always.
Hey, put it out there!

I will do some research!
I have done some and as they say "it ain't good"! I know a lot of Blacks and ministers are Masons and feel it's a great thing. I had an uncle that was a 33rd degree mason in Kansas City, top of the line. I've done research on them, Shriners and Scottish Rites. Whew! I've talked to some former Masons and read their oath they recite. I will Sister Gadsden but ohhhh weeee!
I have attached information on all the 7 Churches in Revelation. Enjoy!

The 7 Churches of Revelation
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The book of Revelation opens with the letters from Jesus to 7 churches in Christendom. In these letters, He acknowledges what these churches are doing right, where they are going astray and He counsels them as to how to get back on track.

Jesus additionally addresses the individual believers in each church, commending them for seeing through the fog of doctrinal teachings to the core message of the gospel, challenging them to withstand and overcome. The believers, however, are not the intended audience of the letters.

The Lord's purpose is to focus on the leadership of these churches, admonishing them to take a gut check on what they are teaching their flocks and where His core message of salvation may be getting lost in their mix of doctrinal interpretations.

These 7 churches have historical roots as actual churches that existed in the Roman province of Asia. The churches are addressed by the city that they were located in.

There are also prophetic applications of these letters. One application is that the 7 churches represent different ages in Church history and that they are progressive. This interpretation holds that at the end of days, two main traits will remain - that Christendom is either going to be very alive or very dead (apostate) in their teachings - a very black and white approach to the Lord's warnings. The progressive interpretation is not wrong, merely incomplete.

This article is written as a study on a different prophetic application of these writings, the interpretation holding that each of these 7 church characteristics is alive and well today. The intent is to look past the black and white interpretation of right and wrong and delve into the Lord's warnings about all of the shades of grey in the middle.

The Lord cautions over and over in the bible about false prophets and false teachers. The purpose of these letters is to address the churches with the Lord's specific concerns as to the unsound doctrines and practices that have invaded them, putting their flocks at risk. Given the following warnings from the Lord about false teachers in the end days, I would think that people would look beyond their comfort zone and compare their approach to the core teachings of scripture.
Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

2Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
There are 4 elements to each of the letters in scripture, and they are as follows:

Praise - what the Lord is pleased with
Condemnation - what the Lord is upset about
Advice - to the leaders of the group as to how to get back on track
Challenge - to the true believers within the group, to hold fast and overcome

The fifth element in this summation is the application of the letters and is subjective based on the characteristics and symptoms presented in the scripture.

The Lord's purpose in writing these letters was not for people like me to sit around and point fingers and I intend no offense with my conclusions here. His purpose was for all to take a good hard look at the focus of their doctrinal stances and teachings.

The Lord tells us that he has sent us out as sheep amongst the wolves, that we are to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves (Matthew 10:16). Additionally, he counsels that we will know false teachers by their fruits (Matthew 7:20), that we are to study the scriptures to show ourselves approved (2Timothy 2:15) and that we are to try every teaching to see if it is from God (1John 4:1).

Where I have mentioned specific denominations in my applications, my motive is not to condemn - I am merely comparing their doctrines and/or teachings to the Lord's warnings and adding their stated positions as real life examples to the characteristics mentioned. An individual church is only as solid as its local leadership.

Don't take what I have to say about this as the gospel truth - use these letters how the Lord intended - as a measuring stick.
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1. Church of Ephesus -- Revelation 2:1-7

Praise: I know that you do good deeds, and work hard. You are patient and cannot stand evil. You condemn those who do wrong and hold false teachings to the fire.

Condemnation: You have left your first love - the core of the gospel.

Advice to leaders: Remember where it is that you have fallen from, repent and go back to the original teachings.

Challenge to believers: To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Application: Men intent on abandoning the word of God (their first love) for their own doctrinal interpretations.

The inference here is the addition of doctrines into the church, placing more importance on them than on the Word of God. This refers to legalistic churches that institute man-imposed salvation requirements, such as specific baptism rituals, or organization membership, and teach that there is no salvation unless these requirements are met. They focus more on dos and don'ts and on who does and doesn't do, than on the core message of scripture and thus they deny salvation by grace through faith. The easiest way to spot a church of Ephesus is their claim of being the only true remnant church of Christ and their insistence that there is no salvation outside of their organization and without their rituals.

Denominations known for this practice include the International Church of Christ and the United Pentecostals (UPC - Oneness Pentecostals).
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2. Church of Smyrna -- Revelation 2:8-11

Praise: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich)

Condemnation: Nothing!!

Advice to leaders: Don't fear your suffering - Satan will torment you and you will be tried. Be faithful unto death and you will have the crown of life.

Challenge to believers: He that overcometh shall not be hurt by the second death (and will have eternal life).

Application: Throughout the world, Christians are being persecuted in places like China, Russia, the Philippines and the Islamic Nation States. Witnessing is illegal in many of these places and sadly, it is all too common to hear of Christians being jailed, tortured and even beheaded for the crime of attempting to spread the gospel and the testimony of Jesus.

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3. Church of Pergamum -- Revelation 2:12-17

Praise: You live where Satan lives, yet you never renounced me.

Condemnation: But I have a few things against you, your teachings pollute your people both spiritually and socially with unacceptable pagan practices.

Advice to leaders: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth!

Challenge to believers: To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

Application: Those teaching false doctrines, causing people to sin because they think it is 'ok', based on the interpretations of their leadership. What these leaders are doing is teaching that the Word of God is to be treated as a cafeteria plan where you can pick and choose what you want to believe and disregard that which you don't. Pergamum is not lukewarm to the gospel; they have just chosen to believe that certain things in it don't apply to them.

The first group that comes to mind here is the MCC - The Metropolitan Community Church - gay Christians. This is a huge denomination that teaches that it is OK to be gay and Christian - maintaining that God created them gay (so it must be all right) rather than acknowledging that their homosexuality is merely a manifestation of the sin nature that we are all born with.
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4. Church of Thyatira -- Revelation 2:18-29

Praise: I know your deeds, your love, your charity, faith and service. You are doing more of these things than you ever have!

Condemnation: While on the outside, you appear as a model church, you are rife with corruption and corrupt teachings, from deep within. You have committed adultery against me with your idol worship.

Advice to leaders: Repent now or I will spew you into the tribulation

Challenge to believers: To those who are faithful within, rejecting the false doctrines, hold fast till I come.

Application: The Lord references Jezebel in his condemnation to this church - referring to the woman who lured people away from Him with idolatry by focusing them on things other than Him.

Traits seen today include viewing Mary as the mediatrix between man and God, the veneration of statues and images, grace being administered through humanly prescribed sacraments, church tradition held as equivalent in authority to the Bible, and the doctrine of confessing to priests as a means of maintaining one's salvation.
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5. Church of Sardis -- Revelation 3:1-6

Praise: I know your deeds - your name carries much recognition among men ...

Condemnation: But now you are dead.

Advice to leaders: Remember your beginnings, return to them and repent. You are not paying attention to my Word and you need to wake up!

Challenge to believers: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Application: This is referring specifically to name brand denominations with long, well known histories that have fallen from truth and are seeking ecumenical unity without regard to the gospel. The suggestion the Lord is giving here is that these are the Reform churches - once very alive but now dead in their doctrines - filled with Sunday Country Club pew warmers.

Denominations that have embraced this ecumenical neutrality include the Methodists, Lutherans and Presbyterians. I am speaking to the global stances here - again, a particular church is only as alive or dead as its local leadership.
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6. Church of Philadelphia -- Revelation 3:7-13

Praise: You may not be the biggest group, but I know your works and your teachings. Even without strength or power, you have kept My Word and not compromised My name.

Condemnation: Nothing!!

Advice to leaders: I am coming quickly. Hold onto what you have.

Challenge to believers: Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

Application: This is written to those who are on fire for the Lord's return that have kept the winds of false doctrines out of their midst and maintained solid teachings. While everyone wants to think that they are in the church of Philadelphia - it is important to note, that there are true believers in each of the 7 churches. The Lord is merely commending the leadership of Philadelphia for their adherence to sound doctrine.

Ironically, the letter to the church of Philadelphia is used/abused by many churches to justify their exclusivity (no salvation outside of their organization) under what they perceive to be the "end times remnant church clause". For this reason, these churches are in reality the churches of Ephesus, discussed above.
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7. Church of Laodicea -- Revelation 3:14-22

Praise: Nothing!!

Condemnation: You are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold. I wish you were one or the other but because you have no redeeming qualities whatsoever, I will spit you out of my mouth into the tribulation. You say that you are wealthy and in need of nothing, but what you don't realize is that you are truly wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked.

Advice to leaders: You need to start concerning yourself with eternal riches and not earthly ones, humble yourself about your sins and open your eyes to My truth before it’s too late.

Challenge to believers: To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne

Application: Unlike the other churches that have let doctrinal interpretations cloud the message of salvation, this group is neither hot nor cold to it -- they simply avoid it all together. They teach of wealth and healing but not of salvation and repentance. Rather than instruct people on how to humble themselves to the Lord's will, they teach that He is to conform to our will.

Jesus said in John 18:36 that His kingdom is not of this world. In Matthew 6:19-20, He explains that we are to store up our riches in heaven and not on earth. All of this is seemingly lost on the church of Laodicea, whose complete focus is on the here and now. They flaunt their opulent lifestyles as proof of the Lord's earthly blessings. They teach that the first step to health and wealth is to give 'seed donations' to their ministries and then have the faith that the Lord will bless this gift and multiply it in return. This becomes a vicious cycle when those who are not healed or showered with wealth are told that it is because they lack the faith to give enough to these ministries, thus soliciting even more donations - all the while, using the Lord's name to increase their personal wealth.
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Bottom Line to the 7 Churches

Doctrines are nothing but man's interpretation of God's Word. They in themselves do not save, but they can and do cloud the issue of salvation. The Lord cautions over and over in scripture about false teachers in the end days, leading His flock astray. Sadly, His message is getting lost in a sea of pick-and-choose scriptural teachings and rituals.

Now is the time for self-examination for leaders - are you leading someone away from the message of salvation with extraneous teachings rather than to it with the core of the gospel?
Though I find myself wising I was where you are, meaning in the same city I know I am being blessed anyway. Sister you would probably be so sick of me because I'd have my bible and we'd be studying until you told me to go home. I to have studied the 7 churches and though as I've said I am in no way graced as you and especially lack the ability to write so eloquently as you but this is what I fill God showed me and I'm not too far off from you. Give me your feedback please:

"What do the seven churches in Revelation stand for?"

Answer: The seven churches described in Revelation 2-3 are seven literal churches at the time that John the apostle was writing Revelation. Though they are literal churches in that time, there is also spiritual significance for churches and believers today. The first purpose is to write to the literal churches and meet their needs at that time. The second purpose is to reveal seven different types of individuals/churches throughout history and instruct them in God's truth.

A possible third purpose is using the seven churches to represent seven different periods in the history of the church. The problem with this view is that each of the seven churches describes issues that could fit the church in any time in its history. So, although there may be some truth to the seven churches representing seven eras of the church, too many people go into far too much speculation in order to determine which church fits which era. Instead, our focus should be on what message God is giving to us through the seven churches. The seven churches are:

(1) Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).

(2) Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).

(3) Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).

(4) Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church who had a false prophetess (2:20).

(5) Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).

(6) Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).

(7) Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church with the lukewarm faith (3:16).

Ephesus--the Church of the first-love, the apostolic Church
Smyrna--the persecuted Church--Diocletian to Constantine
Pergamos--the Church under imperial favor--under Constantine
Thyatira--the papal Church--the Dark Ages
Sardis--the Reformation Church--protestantism, sixteenth and seventeenth centuries
Philadelphia--the missionary Church--period ushered in by the Puritan movement
Laodicea--the rejected Church--Church of the final apostasy"

The seven churches in Revelation were named after the seven cities in Asia Minor (Turkey) where they were headquartered. First was Ephesus, followed in order by Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.

Why did Jesus instruct the Apostle John to write to these seven particular churches in this particular order? There were other churches Christ could have chosen. South of Laodicea was Colosse. In Greece there were three churches, Philippi, Thessalonica, and Corinth. There were also churches at Galatia, Hierapolis, and Troas. Why these particular seven?

Many theologians agree that these seven churches were selected by Christ because they exemplify seven ages through which the prophetic Church has now historically passed.

First Proof. The Greek meaning of the name of each city where the churches were headquartered defines a peculiar characteristic that we find in each of seven historic church periods.
Second Proof. Each church in Asia Minor was plagued with a pagan problem peculiar to that city where it was headquartered. The pagan problem was a mystery religion, or in our modern vernacular, a secret society. Each church in Asia Minor reacted to these secret societies in a specific manner. These same reactions toward secret societies can also be recognized in seven distinct historic church periods spanning the last 2,000 years.
Third Proof. As each of the seven churches in Asia Minor was located in a city with a peculiar characteristic and secret society, so too each historic church period was headquartered within a country having those same peculiar characteristics and secret societies. These countries are Asia Minor, Rome, northern Europe, England, and America.
Fourth Proof. As did all seven church types exist simultaneously in John's day, so too were all seven in existence throughout the church age, with one of the seven predominant during each of the seven church periods.
Fifth Proof. Each individual Christian will have at least one characteristic, and be confronted by at least one pagan problem peculiar to each of the seven churches.

Message to us is that we understand what characteristic best fits our spiritual walk with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, because that characteristic is developing us for our eternal vocation — only if we overcome the pagan problem. Christ speaks to us and to our eternal vocation when He says, "To him that overcometh [the pagan problem] will I give [this particular eternal vocation]."
The seven eternal vocations are: (1) Caretaker of Paradise; (2) Caretaker of the New Jerusalem; (3) Special companion of Christ; (4) Kings over the nations of the New Earth; (5) Bride of Christ; (6) Priests in the New Jerusalem; (7) Kings, ruling with Christ over all creation.

I'm probably off base but this is what I was led to. I pray and hunger for His Word and His Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding so much. I'm no scholar and you can attest by my writing. Even in college I didn't like to write. lol How close was I Sister Gadsden?
I like this! Good Information!
And you say that you are un-learned,
My Big Brother you have/are being taught by the master,
WHAT COULD BE BETTER?
Your just too kind my Brother! I sometimes just want edification from those like you and Sister Gadsden that so much gifted in His Word than I am. I guess when I hear from you two I feel comfortable with what I'm shown and feel it is from God. I tell you there was a time when I'd read and get frustrated because I wasn't getting it but then I wasn't as sincere and didn't know how to let go and let Him. I appreciate you two so very much, you just don't know. And I know all praise and glory is God's because he put you in my life for a reason. I am but a babe, trust me but it's time to stop drinking milk. lol
John, relax and let God do His work in you.

You research is great! I am going to add this to my information and teaching it to my leaders.
Dr Gadsden thank you for your words of kindness and believe me I do try to let go and let God work in me. I know this is satan but why can't I fill I am worthy? I allow my mistakes that hurt me so emotionally get in the way. I can't forgive myself and don't understand it except it must be satan doing this to me. I pray that you would keep me in your prayers and help me get past this self beating up that I do. It keeps me from family and I truly dislike this feeling and being estranged because I think everyone is better off without me in their lives. Sorry.
Good!

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