In our Life time we 've saw some things that were within our reach. But only captured in our vision. Men like David Coressh how ever it spelt. Jim Jones,  phelps and the list goes on until now. How would think that on our watch men would lead congregations to hell.Now 1st John is clear in his stance. verse 1 we heard , we have seen with our eyes, looed upon and our hands have handled the word of life .(word of absolute life). there are certain things that are there but we cant see them . we walk in someones home thes a certian smell (good or bad) is spiritual or physical, not smoke but smell.wind we feel it but is it spiritual or physical. can we see it, handle it, lookupon it. when we read verse theres a I got out of him what my essence, (neccessary) I get out of him my essential (fundamental).  verse 2 the manifestation of him.for the lif was manifested for we have seen it and bare witness,John  Now is saying theres a enter mingiling in fellowship with the Farther and with the son but it comes from us. Because we have this Truth. Maybe internet ordanations might not be light? John says What I give you here is light that i walk in that you.(Pull Up On Your Self. Have what intended from the begining in you) If you've got a problem with something say so that some one that has cast off that darlness might be not only a ministering light but a manifestation of that light. We live in a hour where men are unzipping their fantasy's on the congregation and calling it the word of the Lord. No.. No I say it's the word of who ever s speaking westboro baptish. Surley some are gonna say well I do need fire insurance so I repent of effeminent ways. But what If one came throught the enter mingling of felloship with Our Farther and his Son Jesus Christ of nazereth. what if they picked up his Love and Ways. instead of our antics and praise. They'll end up doing what you do.verse 6  if we say we enter mingle with him if we say we have fellowship with him and walk (any progression) darknes WE LIE. I say any we or to be gramatically incorrect any who.  The calling of names, what if  a bear didn't want to be called a bear. he'll have meat to eat that you'll know not of. Westboro congregation The Branch devidian compound how ever you spell it was a mess in the end because the Church didnt fix it. God Raised up the ATF. Hab 1:6 LO, I reise up the Chaldeans.Jesus said I have meat to eat that you know not of (work to do that my farther has comissioned). I admit people have problems with certain things is that why you have targated this site because it has a color reference to it? We have to question our selves is that always right to all men?. When I was welding one of the ways that the supervisers would find where we needed to weld did not only apply to stress test but light test . it would be so dark in those big tanks that when the entry way was shut. you may not have been able to see each other but you sure could see light in places where bolts were missing. You know why our preachers dont really care about a good message( Preaching to make one happy) because they're looking at you (in the Church) seeing you(.Leave Church) looking upon you (outside the church ) if you will.They if having enter mingled with God look at you at any time and see and say thats darkness, I see alittle something lets me know that I've got to keep some milk on me at all times. They're bitting and devouring one another. with those baby teeth . the moral of the discussion is........... I do what I see my _______ doeth.  :Clifford DeVine. clifford.devine@comcast.net.    cliffdevine49@yahoo.com You ever heard this pass me the meat please. Well wheter you remembre it or not. There may have been a sibbling or 2 that you didnt want to pass you the meet.If you and me  take a good look at self . we can put the right light on our own table.. because in the end  its not who lead me their or who I owed, out of respect to. All the becauses and finger pointing in the world. Want change Gods observation the word says is this THEY REPENTED NOT OF THERE SIN. I now Cry out PHELPS GO BACK TO  FIRST LOVE. Your friend in this deed. Cliffor DeVine. I said it as it came out First Love.

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